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04-25-2008, 11:16 PM
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OT: Natey2k4's Re-Draft Specials - 2004 -

PAST RE-DRAFTS
2005 - http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p...0#post13868840

* Feel Free to do your own list.. and remark on mine. Where do you think players slot in the draft after three years?

NATEY2K4'S REDRAFT

* Please note that you can argue the 2nd rounders all you want, but they can mostly flip flop around a few places. I just did it to see where I felt a few young guys would place. Feedback always welcome.

* I noticed A LOT of players from 200+ on are really improving and making teams take note of them. I could see a lot of them making the NHL (some already have).

* Players in bold have stayed the same or moved up in my eyes. Players not in bold have moved down.

1. Alexander Ovechkin -------> originally: 1st
2. Evgeni Malkin -------> originally: 2nd
3. Mike Green -------> originally: 29th
4. Andrej Meszaros -------> originally: 23rd
5. Alexander Radulov -------> originally: 15th
6. Wojtek Wolski -------> originally: 17th
7. Mark Streit -------> originally: 262nd
8. Brandon Dubinsky -------> originally: 60th
9. Johan Franzen -------> originally: 97th
10. David Booth -------> originally: 53rd
11. Travis Zajac -------> originally: 20th
12. Cory Schneider -------> originally: 26th
13. Alexander Edler -------> originally: 91st
14. Drew Stafford -------> originally: 13th
15. Blake Comeau -------> originally: 47th

16. Torrey Mitchell -------> originally: 126th
17. Jannick Hansen -------> originally: 28thth
18. Daniel Winnik -------> originally: 265th
19. Justin Peters -------> originally: 38th

20. Cam Barker -------> originally: 3rd
21. David Krejci -------> originally: 63rd
22. Chris Campoli -------> originally: 227th
23. Kyle Chipchura -------> originally: 18th
24. Rob Schremp -------> originally: 25th
25. Janne Pesonen -------> originally: 269th
26. Mark Fistric -------> originally: 28th

27. Andrew Ladd -------> originally: 4th
28. Mikhail Grabovski -------> originally: 150th
29. Tyler Kennedy -------> originally: 99th

30. Rostislav Olesz -------> originally: 7th

31. Ryan Callahan -------> originally: 127th
32. David Bolland -------> originally: 32nd
33. Viktor Alexandrov -------> originally: 83rd
34. Kevin Porter -------> originally: 119th
35. JT Wyman -------> originally: 100th
36. Julien Sprunger -------> originally: 117th
37. Janne Niskala -------> originally: 147th
38. Ryan Jones -------> originally: 111th
39. Tyler Eckford -------> originally: 217th

40. Al Montoya -------> originally: 6th
41. Steven Zalewski -------> originally: 153rd
42. Chris Bourque -------> originally: 33rd
43. Sami Lepisto -------> originally: 66th
44. Alexei Emelin -------> originally: 84th
45. Andrew Gordon -------> originally: 197th
46. Patrick Kaleta -------> originally: 176th

47. Jeff Schultz -------> originally: 27th
48. Enver Lisin -------> originally: 50th
49. Nicklas Grossman -------> originally: 56th
50. Tyler Spurgeon -------> originally: 242nd
51. Pekka Rinne -------> originally: 258th
52. Alex Goligoski -------> originally: 61st
53. Kyle Wilson -------> originally: 272nd
54. Ben Walter -------> originally: 160th
55. Dylan Hunter -------> originally: 273rd
56. Petri Kontiola -------> originally: 196th
57. Nathan Perkovich -------> originally: 250th

58. Michael Funk -------> originally: 43rd
59. Craig Switzer -------> originally: 275th
60. Matt Siddall -------> originally: 270th





The following players are guys who I feel can be solid contributors to their NHL clubs. Of course they all won't make it (same with all 60 listed above).. but I think a good chunk of these guys could be very good compliment players. The guys already in the NHL I feel can move up a bit, but not much.

For example, Mike Lundin I see being a good #5/#6 with the potential to be a #4. I don't see him ever being a top-pairing guy (though he could surprise).

But those guys are important to winning championships .. so we will see. I expect a lot of these guys to make it to the NHL, so don't feel as if I'm giving these guys a slim chance rating to be NHLers.

I just feel a lot of the guys I have listed above have chances to be higher impact players on if they reach their potential.

Though, some of these players have higher potential, but seem unlikely to reach it. It seems some of them (Pineault, Boyd, etc) have hit huge road bumps (and I'm sure some of the guys above will too).


HM = Honourable Mention

(HM). Grant Clitsome
(HM). Alexandre Picard
(HM). Petteri Nokelainen
(HM). Andrej Sekera
(HM). Nick Johnson
(HM). Tim Brent
(HM). Justin Pogge
(HM). Martin Karsums
(HM). Ladislav Smid
(HM). Denis Parshin
(HM). Alexander Nikulin
(HM). Mike Lundin
(HM). Dustin Boyd
(HM). Lukas Kaspar
(HM). Lauri Korpikoski
(HM). Michael Vernace
(HM). Chad Kolarik
(HM). Robbie Earl
(HM). Derek Peltier
(HM). Mark Mancari
(HM). Troy Brouwer
(HM). Brandon Yip
(HM). Matt Hunwick
(HM). Justin Keller
(HM). Greg Stewart
(HM). Adam Pineault
(HM). Pierce Norton


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04-25-2008, 11:22 PM
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looking at it extremely quickly...I put Franzen ahead of Streit

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04-25-2008, 11:24 PM
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looking at it extremely quickly...I put Franzen ahead of Streit
I debated on this for awhile (same with Dubinsky) mostly due to age.

All three are great players and in the end, I thought I'd knock the age factor out due to the advantage Streit has due to versatility (He's an okay defenseman during the regular season).

In the end, 6-10 were really tight.

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I'd possibly move Edler up and move Ladd way up. He's better than 24th, or 26th.

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I think Nokelenian and Smid should be on the list because they have cracked a NHL roster while other on the list haven't. They have both looked pretty good doing it as well.

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Streit, Mezsaros are wayyyyyyyyyy too high.

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Whoa now, Justin Peters at 19th? Please, enlighten me as to what he's done since the draft to improve his stock. Truth of the matter is he hasn't done anything and if he hadn't been drafted so high people wouldn't even be talking about him. That's a real head-scratcher.

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Looking at it quickly, I would put Radulov and Wolski before Meszaros ... and also put Edler higher than 13...

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I'd possibly move Edler up and move Ladd way up. He's better than 24th, or 26th.
Edler is one of my favourite players and I didn't want to be too biased. He had a great start this season, but really slowed down during the final months.

Ladd wasn't really all that special on Carolina. If he keeps his play up on like he did with Chicago, he'll move up quickly.

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I think Nokelenian and Smid should be on the list because they have cracked a NHL roster while other on the list haven't. They have both looked pretty good doing it as well.
I like Nokelenian, but he is what he is.

As I said in the thread I posted on the main NHL forum.. Smid must have really improved down the stretch. I had him in my fantasy pool last year and moved him quickly.. He was okay.. but not looking like he could reach his potential ever. I'm glad to hear he's improved his game.

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Streit, Mezsaros are wayyyyyyyyyy too high.
Really? Streit, maybe a bit high because of bias.

But Mezsaros? I really like his game.

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Whoa now, Justin Peters at 19th? Please, enlighten me as to what he's done since the draft to improve his stock. Truth of the matter is he hasn't done anything and if he hadn't been drafted so high people wouldn't even be talking about him. That's a real head-scratcher.
He had a horrible 2006-2007, but the way he rebounded this year really caught my eye.

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He had a horrible 2006-2007, but the way he rebounded this year really caught my eye.
Rebounded? He's been playing in the echl the majority of the year and only recently was recalled to the ahl to serve as a backup to Michael Leighton. That doesn't justify moving up 19 spots.

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I'd take Radulov and even Edler before Meszaros but the one I really can't understand is why Rusty Olesz dropped from 7th to 30th?

Olesz has played 190 games in the NHL and has a respectable 70 points. I agree with you that he should drop out of 7th but in your list there are guys ahead of him that are the same age that have not made the NHL yet.

How is Olesz worse then guys like; Jannick Hansen (5gp, 0pts), Justin Peters (a goalie that has played 11 games in the AHL???), David Krejci (Olesz's numbers are still better), Chipchura, Grabovski and Schremp (three guys who have barely gotten their feet wet in the NHL)?

Mark Streit probably shouldn't be that high because of age and the fact that a lot of the young guys behind him have put up similar or better numbers in the NHL and will surpass him when they reach 30 years old. Guys like Cam Barker, Dubinski, Franzen and Zajac all have way more value today then Streit had or ever will have.

Other then those two, good job.

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Really? Streit, maybe a bit high because of bias.

But Mezsaros? I really like his game.
Yes, I find Mezsaros to be overrated. Same for Streit.

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I'd take Radulov and even Edler before Meszaros but the one I really can't understand is why Rusty Olesz dropped from 7th to 30th?

Olesz has played 190 games in the NHL and has a respectable 70 points. I agree with you that he should drop out of 7th but in your list there are guys ahead of him that are the same age that have not made the NHL yet.

How is Olesz worse then guys like; Jannick Hansen (5gp, 0pts), Justin Peters (a goalie that has played 11 games in the AHL???), David Krejci (Olesz's numbers are still better), Chipchura, Grabovski and Schremp (three guys who have barely gotten their feet wet in the NHL)?

Mark Streit probably shouldn't be that high because of age and the fact that a lot of the young guys behind him have put up similar or better numbers in the NHL and will surpass him when they reach 30 years old. Guys like Cam Barker, Dubinski, Franzen and Zajac all have way more value today then Streit had or ever will have.

Other then those two, good job.
It's not just now, it's about the future too. Olesz has been okay, but he hasn't shown too many signs of improvement. It sucks, because I really like him as a player.

As for Streit, he may be a little high after thinking about it some more .. but eh. There are always mistakes.

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Streit and Meszaros way to high.

Top Ten

1. Alexander Ovechkin
2. Evgeni Malkin
3. Alexander Radulov
4. Mike Green
5. Brandon Dubinsky
6. Johan Franzen
7. Wojtek Wolski
8 Cam Barker
9 David Booth
10.Travis Zajac

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I don't think there has a been a better 1-2 draft ever, besides maybe the Lafleur/Dionne draft... I would give my left nut for Malkin and my right nut for Ovechkin.

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streit way too high.... keep in mind his age compared to the other guys....

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Pogge, Smid, Boyd and Sekera should be in the top-60 imo.

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Pogge, Smid, Boyd and Sekera should be in the top-60 imo.
Sekera should be in the top 30... He'll be a good one.

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You might wanna move up Franzen after today

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David Krejci should be in the top 15 easilly.


Ohhh and Between, I don't see Kyle Chipchura in the top 30

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Mitchell and Edler higher, Streit lower.

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You might wanna move up Franzen after today
That kid is just amazing me more and more each game. He'll end up being the 3rd-5th once all players in this draft are complete. (Ovechkin, Malkin, Franzen, Kosty, ??? Green?)

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David Krejci should be in the top 15 easilly.


Ohhh and Between, I don't see Kyle Chipchura in the top 30
On Krejci.. easily? Really?

The only "questionable" players I feel I have in the Top-15 are Blake Comeau and maybe Cory Schneider. Schneider is supposed to be one of the next great goalies, but we'll see.. and I honestly think Comeau's ceiling is a lot higher. No offense to your opinion though.

And I assume you're joking as Chipchura is in the Top-30.

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Mitchell and Edler higher, Streit lower.
I agree on the Streit thing now. After I posted I thought more and more about the age and realized it was stupid.. but what can you do. He's still Top-15 though, IMO.

As for Edler and Mitchell.. Mitchell has the potential to be a very, very good player.. but he may be molded into more of a 3rd player in the NHL. We'll see for sure.

Edler was very high on my list, but struggled down the stretch (along with most of the Canucks' team).. so I kept him down a bit. He is going to be very good though and I paid a good price to acquire him in my keeper league last year.

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