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05-03-2008, 08:38 AM
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Pass from Montreal.

Markov is too important of a piece on our backend. He's maybe a Top-5 defenseman (at minimum Top-10) in the entire NHL.

Tomas Plekanec as the 3rd line centre is ****ing stupid.

I'll also keep Lappy over a 2nd.
Hahahhahahhahah you Habs fans over-value your players

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05-03-2008, 10:28 AM
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Hahahhahahhahah you Habs fans over-value your players
How do you figure?

Spezza is great, yeah. But if we are upgrading at centre, we need size.

Tomas Plekanec & Saku Koivu may not be as good as Spezza offensively (though better defensively).. but they good enough to be our Top-2 centres..

Seriously;

Higgins - Spezza - Kovalev
Latendresse - Koivu - Ryder (whoever)
Kostitsyn - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Streit - Chipchura - Kostopoulos
Begin, Stewart

Roman Hamrlik - Ryan O'Byrne
Mike Komisarek - Josh Gorges
Francis Bouillon - Pavel Valentenko
Mathieu Dandenault

OR

Kostitsyn - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Latendresse - Koivu - Kovalev
Higgins - Chipchura - Grabovski (Ryder)
Streit - Lapierre - Kostopoulos
Begin, Stewart

Andrei Markov - Mike Komisarek
Roman Hamrlik - Pavel Valentenko
Josh Gorges - Ryan O'Byrne
Francis Bouillon



I'll take line-up #2 every time.

PS. This is not saying that the value is not there for the trade (because it is, obviously).. but need-wise, I think we are better off with a real #1 defenseman then a bunch of guys who are better suited for the #2 pairing.

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05-03-2008, 10:58 AM
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How do you figure?

Spezza is great, yeah. But if we are upgrading at centre, we need size.

Well, I will point out that Spezza is 6-3, albeit he doesn't really use it to pound defencemen physically.

I think both teams pass. We'd basically have no centres to carry the offensive load (especially with O'Brien not turning a pro until '09) and would have a lot of trouble scoring.

Meanwhile, Montreal gets insane forward depth but Markov is too critical a piece on the blue-end, especially since McDonagh isn't ready to take his place.

I do like Markov though. Great defenceman.

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05-03-2008, 11:42 AM
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Well, I will point out that Spezza is 6-3, albeit he doesn't really use it to pound defencemen physically.
Exactly. Spezza had 18 hits all year..

By big centre I mean someone like Ryan Getzlaf, Tuomo Ruutu, Vincent Lecavalier, Mike Richards, etc.

Someone who averages more than a hit a game and can be an offensive threat.. that's what we need if we are upgrading..

Though I'm confident with Pleks & Koivu as our Top-2 centres. If anything, we could use another winger.

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05-03-2008, 11:45 AM
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I don't know whats funnier; the OP or the suggestion Montreal would turn this down.

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I don't know whats funnier; the OP or the suggestion Montreal would turn this down.
Haha, I think whats funniest is all the Sens face with heads stuck up their *****.

Montreal WOULD turn this down because it makes us a WORSE team.

Jason Spezza, without a doubt, is the best player in the proposal. And losing Maxxy Lappy isn't that big of a deal..

but when you look at NEED.. this KILLS us. We become a worse defensive team (both forwards and defense).. and our defense becomes Columbus like.

We are happier with a 60 PTS defenseman and a 70 point centre rather than 90 point centre.. that's all.

It doesn't help either team.

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05-03-2008, 12:03 PM
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To Ottawa:
Andrei Markov
Maxim Lapierre

To Montreal:
Jason Spezza
2nd Round Draft Pick
Are you serious? Montreal wins this trade by a mile, but then their defence is in shambles. Terrible for both teams.

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05-03-2008, 12:52 PM
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We are happier with a 60 PTS defenseman and a 70 point centre rather than 90 point centre.. that's all.

It doesn't help either team.
Why does adding Spezza preclude you from having Plekanec?

If anything you could trade Plekanec for someone like Suter and sign a UFA defenseman like Liles to further bridge the gap. On this end, your offense and defense would improve.

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05-03-2008, 03:59 PM
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Why does adding Spezza preclude you from having Plekanec?

If anything you could trade Plekanec for someone like Suter and sign a UFA defenseman like Liles to further bridge the gap. On this end, your offense and defense would improve.
Spezza is 30 points or so better than Plekanec. Getting him would basically just be that 30 point upgrade, and not really mean anything else to the Habs. You'd take it before you took a kick in the head, for sure. But you wouldn't give up your #1 defenseman to make that upgrade. I find it bizarre that so many Sens fans in this thread can't seem to see that. The Habs wouldn't trade Markov for Spezza. It wouldn't even be conceivable.

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I don't know whats funnier; the OP or the suggestion Montreal would turn this down.
There is no doubt that Montreal would turn it down. Absolutely none whatsoever.

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05-03-2008, 04:09 PM
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Spezza is 30 points or so better than Plekanec. Getting him would basically just be that 30 point upgrade, and not really mean anything else to the Habs. You'd take it before you took a kick in the head, for sure. But you wouldn't give up your #1 defenseman to make that upgrade. I find it bizarre that so many Sens fans in this thread can't seem to see that. The Habs wouldn't trade Markov for Spezza. It wouldn't even be conceivable.
It's a bad deal both ways, but if you needed a center and we needed a D-man there's no way this deal would go through anyways.

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05-03-2008, 04:24 PM
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Haha, I think whats funniest is all the Sens face with heads stuck up their *****.

Montreal WOULD turn this down because it makes us a WORSE team.

Jason Spezza, without a doubt, is the best player in the proposal. And losing Maxxy Lappy isn't that big of a deal..

but when you look at NEED.. this KILLS us. We become a worse defensive team (both forwards and defense).. and our defense becomes Columbus like.

We are happier with a 60 PTS defenseman and a 70 point centre rather than 90 point centre.. that's all.

It doesn't help either team.
Look buddy, we don't give a **** about how it hurts your team. We only care that is hurts our team.

Spezza only got 92 points because he was injured, he could have easily gotten 100 points. And what is this about Plekanec being a 70 point center? If we stick Fisher on your top line he would get as much or more.

Haha, I think whats funniest is all the Habs fans with heads stuck up their *****.

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05-03-2008, 06:15 PM
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There is no doubt that Montreal would turn it down. Absolutely none whatsoever.
And that's why you're not a GM. If nothing else, Montreal would flip Spezza for something significantly better than Markov.

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Spezza is 30 points or so better than Plekanec. Getting him would basically just be that 30 point upgrade, and not really mean anything else to the Habs. You'd take it before you took a kick in the head, for sure. But you wouldn't give up your #1 defenseman to make that upgrade. I find it bizarre that so many Sens fans in this thread can't seem to see that. The Habs wouldn't trade Markov for Spezza. It wouldn't even be conceivable.
Spezza is top 3, I believe, in PPG since the lockout. He is a top five center in the game. Saying the difference between Spezza and Plekanec wouldn't mean anything to the Habs is beyond ********. That's like saying adding Malkin or Thornton wouldn't make a difference.

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Haha, I think whats funniest is all the Sens face with heads stuck up their *****.

Montreal WOULD turn this down because it makes us a WORSE team.

Jason Spezza, without a doubt, is the best player in the proposal. And losing Maxxy Lappy isn't that big of a deal..

but when you look at NEED.. this KILLS us. We become a worse defensive team (both forwards and defense).. and our defense becomes Columbus like.

We are happier with a 60 PTS defenseman and a 70 point centre rather than 90 point centre.. that's all.

It doesn't help either team.
you say that like the trade is Plekanec + Markov for Spezza. i don't want to do this deal from the Sens perspective, and i can understand if montreal doesn't want to do it if they don't want to lose markov. but, the bold statement isn't true because you aren't losing your 70 point centre. he may not get 70 points on the 2nd line, but the talent is still there.

the truth about montreal is that until Price gets a little older/more experienced, they aren't true cup contenders. in that time (1-2 yrs), i'm sure you could patch markov's spot with McDonaugh/Fischer or a FA.


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To Ottawa:
Andrei Markov
Maxim Lapierre

To Montreal:
Jason Spezza
2nd Round Draft Pick
I totally do not want Spezza in Montreal. I even hate his laugh in an interview. He makes big money and is soft point producer

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Congratuglations this is the worst deal I have EVER seen in my life
Save the "congratuglations". You will see much, much worse.

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Save the "congratuglations". You will see much, much worse.
If I was a Habs forum regular I sure would

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Spezza is top 3, I believe, in PPG since the lockout. He is a top five center in the game. Saying the difference between Spezza and Plekanec wouldn't mean anything to the Habs is beyond ********.
Good thing it's not what BG said then.

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you say that like the trade is Plekanec + Markov for Spezza. i don't want to do this deal from the Sens perspective, and i can understand if montreal doesn't want to do it if they don't want to lose markov. but, the bold statement isn't true because you aren't losing your 70 point centre. he may not get 70 points on the 2nd line, but the talent is still there.
Plekanec would be moved the third line if this trade went through. No way would Koivu be put on a checking line.. So really, Pleks would be lucky to hit 50ish PTS.

I didn't mean for it to sound like it did.

Spezza is a great player, don't get me wrong.. just the deal gives up what we don't have to give up at this point. Maybe in a year or so when Gorges is completely developed .. but by then, Hamrlik is putting on the years and we don't know which young D-Men will be ready.

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Good thing it's not what BG said then.
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Spezza is 30 points or so better than Plekanec. Getting him would basically just be that 30 point upgrade, and not really mean anything else to the Habs.
Please, the above quote of completely trivializing what Spezza would mean to any team.

Simply a 30 point upgrade? Ignoring the numerous other factors such as how Spezza would improve every other player on the ice, or how he would attract stricter defensive coverage and allow the 2nd and 3rd lines more freedom. Adding a superstar player like Spezza has a more far-reaching effect than adding 30 points.

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And that's why you're not a GM. If nothing else, Montreal would flip Spezza for something significantly better than Markov.
Ok, suggest a suitable flip trade, then, Mr. GM. I'd be curious to see how that would work out, and would appreciate you using your vast managerial experience to explain it all to us.

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you say that like the trade is Plekanec + Markov for Spezza. i don't want to do this deal from the Sens perspective, and i can understand if montreal doesn't want to do it if they don't want to lose markov. but, the bold statement isn't true because you aren't losing your 70 point centre. he may not get 70 points on the 2nd line, but the talent is still there.
Well then you lose Koivu's 70 points. Either way, you lose something that we don't need to lose. In addition to our #1 defenseman.
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the truth about montreal is that until Price gets a little older/more experienced, they aren't true cup contenders. in that time (1-2 yrs), i'm sure you could patch markov's spot with McDonaugh/Fischer or a FA.
You're sure? McDonagh or Fischer? Replace Markov? In 1-2 years? Oookay. And if we wanted a Spezza-like player, why don't we just sign that guy as a FA instead of trading for him? It's all ridiculous to begin with, but it doesn't remotely change the fact that the Habs would never trade Markov for Spezza.

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Please, the above quote of completely trivializing what Spezza would mean to any team.

Simply a 30 point upgrade? Ignoring the numerous other factors such as how Spezza would improve every other player on the ice, or how he would attract stricter defensive coverage and allow the 2nd and 3rd lines more freedom. Adding a superstar player like Spezza has a more far-reaching effect than adding 30 points.
I don't think 30 points is trivial. But it's the basic outcome of all those things you list. And our #1 defenseman means a whole lot more things to us than those. In addition to also probably providing 30 points more than his next-closest possible replacement on our blueline could.

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Ok, suggest a suitable flip trade, then, Mr. GM. I'd be curious to see how that would work out, and would appreciate you using your vast managerial experience to explain it all to us.

See, that's just it. I'm not a GM but I'm smart enough to know that Markov <<<<<<<<<<< Spezza.

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