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05-18-2008, 03:00 PM
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Panthers CHL prospects season review

Michael Frolik, Shawn Matthias, Michal Repik, and Keaton Ellerby, the Panthers top four prospects, made their hockey home in the CHL this past season.

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All these guys seem to have the injury bug in common, geez.

Ellerby is looking better than expected. I'm glad he has a nasty streak in him. Something our D lacks.

Caruso looks like a nice surprise.

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All these guys seem to have the injury bug in common, geez.

Ellerby is looking better than expected. I'm glad he has a nasty streak in him. Something our D lacks.

Caruso looks like a nice surprise.
Well Matthias had tonsilitis and mono so his was kind of a freak thing.

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Well Matthias had tonsilitis and mono so his was kind of a freak thing.
Aside from the injuries & illnesses among the Panther prospects, isn't it interesting that our most promising prospect was not drafted by the Panthers...Shawn Matthias!!

Thank you Red Wings...

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ellerby is expected to challenge for a spot on the panthers next year??? first time i've heard that.

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ellerby is expected to challenge for a spot on the panthers next year??? first time i've heard that.
Was just thinking to myself today that I hadn't seen you around for awhile.

Martin eluded to him having a shot in the article about his re-signing. He played for a spot at last year's camp as well. I'd be very surprised if he makes the team next season.

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Was just thinking to myself today that I hadn't seen you around for awhile.

Martin eluded to him having a shot in the article about his re-signing. He played for a spot at last year's camp as well. I'd be very surprised if he makes the team next season.
It'll be a big mistake to have Ellerby on the roster next year IMO. He struggled during the year in the WHL. He needs to have a consistent year in a legit league like the AHL before he plans on coming near an NHL spot for our sake. How pathetic will our defense have to be if Ellerby can make it at this point? A project usually isn't a two year developmental plan, in case Martin didn't know that. If you draft someone as a project, they generally take several years to become what you were hoping for, and rushing him to the NHL won't help either.

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It'll be a big mistake to have Ellerby on the roster next year IMO. He struggled during the year in the WHL. He needs to have a consistent year in a legit league like the AHL before he plans on coming near an NHL spot for our sake. How pathetic will our defense have to be if Ellerby can make it at this point? A project usually isn't a two year developmental plan, in case Martin didn't know that. If you draft someone as a project, they generally take several years to become what you were hoping for, and rushing him to the NHL won't help either.
Dude, if he's not good enough to make the team, he won't make it. What are you really worried about? This is Martin we are talking about here, he will not bring up a prospect full time until they are definitely, without any questions ready. And he struggled early in the season, but for the most part he had a good season. I think some people just love to hate this guy. He's one of those prospects, it seems, like Esposito. They should both turn out fine.

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It'll be a big mistake to have Ellerby on the roster next year IMO. He struggled during the year in the WHL. He needs to have a consistent year in a legit league like the AHL before he plans on coming near an NHL spot for our sake. How pathetic will our defense have to be if Ellerby can make it at this point? A project usually isn't a two year developmental plan, in case Martin didn't know that. If you draft someone as a project, they generally take several years to become what you were hoping for, and rushing him to the NHL won't help either.
As MisterBouw said, this is Martin. He's done nothing short of making sure all our prospects are ready. I don't think it's time for him either and I'll be surprised if he makes the team, but the fact that he gets to try will go far. He'll have it in his mind that he got to come up and fight for a spot and play with the big boys. Keep him excited about it.

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Matthias, Frolik, Repik. Out of those three ...who has the best shot at grabbing an opening night start?

We'll need one of them if we don't grab a Top 6 forward in free agency,which we usually fail horrible at accomplishing

I'm not saying one of those three rook's is an automatic Top six forward for us ,but they probably could add a new dimension to a Jokinen line.

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Matthias, Frolik, Repik. Out of those three ...who has the best shot at grabbing an opening night start?

We'll need one of them if we don't grab a Top 6 forward in free agency,which we usually fail horrible at accomplishing

I'm not saying one of those three rook's is an automatic Top six forward for us ,but they probably could add a new dimension to a Jokinen line.
Probably Matthias.

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ellerby is expected to challenge for a spot on the panthers next year??? first time i've heard that.
I think it speaks more to the poor quality of the back-end of our defense than anything else. But I still don't anticipate Ellerby making the NHL next season - he struggled at times this year, and it really doesn't sound like he'll be ready for another several seasons.

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Matthias, Frolik, Repik. Out of those three ...who has the best shot at grabbing an opening night start?

We'll need one of them if we don't grab a Top 6 forward in free agency,which we usually fail horrible at accomplishing

I'm not saying one of those three rook's is an automatic Top six forward for us ,but they probably could add a new dimension to a Jokinen line.
I would say Matthias. He played with Jokinen I believe, in his four game stop. He scored 2 goals.

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Doesn't Florida want to learn its lesson by not rushing players into the NHL? Neither Frolik, Repik or Matthias should probably start in the NHL. Give them some AHL time and if they're too good for that league, then bring them up.

Of course I'm biased being an Amerks fan, but we saw it first hand with Vanek, Roy, Pominville etc. Letting these guys develop really is the best way of going about it.

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I think it speaks more to the poor quality of the back-end of our defense than anything else. But I still don't anticipate Ellerby making the NHL next season - he struggled at times this year, and it really doesn't sound like he'll be ready for another several seasons.
also doesn't seem to address the most pressing need back there - we have cheap vets who are more defensively oriented. the toughness would be a nice addition but i don't believe a 19 yo kid (is he even 19?) will come in and be a physical force.

in general, though, i agree - everything starts on the backend and although we have some quality, there's not a ton and it's not in the right places. JM has a big task ahead of him straightening this out. he better get it done or it's going to be another year of small or marginal improvement overall.

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Doesn't Florida want to learn its lesson by not rushing players into the NHL? Neither Frolik, Repik or Matthias should probably start in the NHL. Give them some AHL time and if they're too good for that league, then bring them up.

Of course I'm biased being an Amerks fan, but we saw it first hand with Vanek, Roy, Pominville etc. Letting these guys develop really is the best way of going about it.
I think Matthias is the only one with a real shot at making the team next year. Perhaps Frolik, but I doubt it. I'd be surprised if he started up here next year.

Our defense is currently Bouw-Allen, Ryno-Skrastins, Murphy-Welch, with Cullimore, Johansson, Mezei and Monty as FA's who may or may not be signed(Doubt Monty and Mezei will), and Martin is saying he wants to bring in a proven puck-mover. Again, I'd be surprised if he makes the team. Martin, if nothing else, has been patient with our youth.

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I think Matthias is the only one with a real shot at making the team next year. Perhaps Frolik, but I doubt it. I'd be surprised if he started up here next year.
Now I don't follow Florida that closely, so my numbers may be off. But assuming Olesz and Campbell get contracts, that gives the team 14 forwards. Unless a few guys get unloaded and the team signs no one during free agency, I see no room for any of them to make the team anyway.

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Doesn't Florida want to learn its lesson by not rushing players into the NHL? Neither Frolik, Repik or Matthias should probably start in the NHL. Give them some AHL time and if they're too good for that league, then bring them up.
The only one I disagree on is Repik. According to the report, he's had a phenomenal season this year despite a 2-month injury and really has little left to prove at the junior level. However, he's not going to be eligible for the AHL next season. I'd like to see him go to the NHL for the season, even if he only sees limited ice time, so he gets at least a taste of the pro game, then move him to Rochester the following season so he can have a bigger role. Unless he's really not ready in training camp. Just make sure he knows that's the plan so he doesn't ***** about being demoted.

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Now I don't follow Florida that closely, so my numbers may be off. But assuming Olesz and Campbell get contracts, that gives the team 14 forwards. Unless a few guys get unloaded and the team signs no one during free agency, I see no room for any of them to make the team anyway.
Its give us options. Meaning the rookies don't have to make the team if they aren't ready. If they are ready we'll make room.

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The only one I disagree on is Repik. According to the report, he's had a phenomenal season this year despite a 2-month injury and really has little left to prove at the junior level. However, he's not going to be eligible for the AHL next season. I'd like to see him go to the NHL for the season, even if he only sees limited ice time, so he gets at least a taste of the pro game, then move him to Rochester the following season so he can have a bigger role. Unless he's really not ready in training camp. Just make sure he knows that's the plan so he doesn't ***** about being demoted.
I was really impressed with what I saw from Repik this year in the WHL. I think he is easily more ready than Frolik. We'll see how camp goes.

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The only one I disagree on is Repik. According to the report, he's had a phenomenal season this year despite a 2-month injury and really has little left to prove at the junior level. However, he's not going to be eligible for the AHL next season. I'd like to see him go to the NHL for the season, even if he only sees limited ice time, so he gets at least a taste of the pro game, then move him to Rochester the following season so he can have a bigger role. Unless he's really not ready in training camp. Just make sure he knows that's the plan so he doesn't ***** about being demoted.
Repik is eligible for the AHL next season.

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Now I don't follow Florida that closely, so my numbers may be off. But assuming Olesz and Campbell get contracts, that gives the team 14 forwards. Unless a few guys get unloaded and the team signs no one during free agency, I see no room for any of them to make the team anyway.
The statuses of Peltonen and Stumpel are in question this summer, and I think maybe one other but I'm not sure.

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Repik is eligible for the AHL next season.
Are you sure? There's been a lot of discussion on this topic and the consensus was he wouldn't because he doesn't turn 20 until December 31st, nearly a month past the cutoff date where he'd have to return to the CHL if he gets cut from the NHL club, and the number of years in juniors nor the fact he's an import player mattered.

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Are you sure? There's been a lot of discussion on this topic and the consensus was he wouldn't because he doesn't turn 20 until December 31st, nearly a month past the cutoff date where he'd have to return to the CHL if he gets cut from the NHL club, and the number of years in juniors nor the fact he's an import player mattered.
No, he turns 20 on the cutoff day, which is December 31st.

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No, he turns 20 on the cutoff day, which is December 31st.
Ah - the date that was bandied about here was December 5th as the cutoff date.

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