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05-05-2008, 02:09 AM
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not trying to be an ass but

A) having 4 guys making over 7 mil probably wont work, although of the rest of the guys most wont even be making a mil
B) hossa jagr both play rw and at this point in their careers probably wont change
Dawes is a LW too, so we'd flip that line... I think us fans need to start realizing that next year might very well be the Post Jagr Era...

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05-05-2008, 02:54 AM
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Dawes is a LW too, so we'd flip that line... I think us fans need to start realizing that next year might very well be the Post Jagr Era...
Here's something to think about:

If Jagr doesn't come back...who gets the C?

Easy call on Drury?

Gomez and Betts the A?

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05-05-2008, 03:07 AM
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My line-up (I posted it in another thread) with cap numbers
*is approx for RFA/UFA (I've tried not to low-ball anyone)

Malone (4,500,000)* - Gomez (7,357,143) - Hossa (8,000,000)*
Dawes (1,000,000)* - Dubi (633,000) - Pru (1,600,000)
Korpi (1,017,533) - Drury (7,050,000) - Cally (575,000)
Sjo (750,000)* - Betts (615,000) - Orr (537,500)
13th Forward (725,000)*
??? - Staal (826,667)
Toots (2,843,000) - Girardi (1,550,000)
Backman (2,300,000) - Orpik (1,750,000)*
7th D-man (725,000)*
Lundy (6,875,000)
Vally (700,000)*

Total is 51,929,843
Orpik will cost 4-4.5M when he becomes a UFA, if he would sign for 1.75M we can easily and will keep him, he likes it in Pittsburgh last i heard. Assuming we don't keep the 3 Pens. Malone 4M, Hossa 9M, and Orpik 4.5M.

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05-05-2008, 03:11 AM
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Here's something to think about:

If Jagr doesn't come back...who gets the C?

Easy call on Drury?

Gomez and Betts the A?
Yeah, gotta give it to Drury.

Id give Gomez one A, and im not sure who would get the other A. maybe rotate it every month or something.

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05-05-2008, 05:52 AM
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These are all issues the Rangers considered when they were making the moves last summer and why they haven't re-signed any of their group III's.Do you really want to bring back the same team next season?The Rangers have flexibility.The Rangers have young assets.

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05-05-2008, 08:02 AM
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If we bring back Jagr we won't be signing Hossa. Does that really need to be pointed out?

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05-05-2008, 08:12 AM
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My line-up (I posted it in another thread) with cap numbers
*is approx for RFA/UFA (I've tried not to low-ball anyone)

Malone (4,500,000)* - Gomez (7,357,143) - Hossa (8,000,000)*
Dawes (1,000,000)* - Dubi (633,000) - Pru (1,600,000)
Korpi (1,017,533) - Drury (7,050,000) - Cally (575,000)
Sjo (750,000)* - Betts (615,000) - Orr (537,500)
13th Forward (725,000)*
??? - Staal (826,667)
Toots (2,843,000) - Girardi (1,550,000)
Backman (2,300,000) - Orpik (1,750,000)*
7th D-man (725,000)*
Lundy (6,875,000)
Vally (700,000)*

Total is 51,929,843
So our solution for competing with the Pens is stealing 3 of their FA's? Not gonna happen. I'd take Orpik, but that's about it. Hossa is gonna go to whoever offers him the most, and Malone will likely stay in PIT.

I'd go after Rolston (2.5m) to replace Straka. Re-sign Jagr for no more than 5m, and throw about 7m at Wade Redden. (just not a lengthy deal)

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05-05-2008, 09:33 AM
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The Rangers are done. They will never make the playoffs again. If they win 10 games next year they will be lucky. You watch they will probably sign Jagr and Shanahan for the 11.2 mil each for 10 years. Is Sather fired yet? Renney better not be the coach or I will never set foot in MSG again.

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05-05-2008, 09:42 AM
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The Rangers are done. They will never make the playoffs again. If they win 10 games next year they will be lucky. You watch they will probably sign Jagr and Shanahan for the 11.2 mil each for 10 years. Is Sather fired yet? Renney better not be the coach or I will never set foot in MSG again.
Dont let the door hit your dumb ass on the way out. I cant tell if you're trying to be ironic or if you're just a knee jerk kid who just started watching hockey this year. What a stupid thing to say.

To add to the discussion, imo Hossa would be a huge mistake. If we can get Orpik, let's do it but first, lets see what happens and what value Sather can get in any trades before we go breaking the bank on a moody guy like Hossa.

Personally, I think Girardi, Dawes, and Prucha are all trade bait.

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05-05-2008, 10:03 AM
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The Rangers are done. They will never make the playoffs again. If they win 10 games next year they will be lucky. You watch they will probably sign Jagr and Shanahan for the 11.2 mil each for 10 years. Is Sather fired yet? Renney better not be the coach or I will never set foot in MSG again.
What an idiotic thing to say.

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05-05-2008, 10:22 AM
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...ever wondered why I complained so much about the Gomez and Drury Signings bro? Youre seeing why now.
If it wasn't these 2, Sather would have signed someone else at the market rate for a UFA and the team would be in the same cap situation. I'm still happy that they have centers to build around regardless of what I think about the number on their paychecks.

I think you target some lower level UFA's, but make your offseason splash in the trade market.

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05-05-2008, 10:26 AM
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Dont let the door hit your dumb ass on the way out. I cant tell if you're trying to be ironic or if you're just a knee jerk kid who just started watching hockey this year. What a stupid thing to say.
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What an idiotic thing to say.
I really needed a sarcasm smiley? You guys lost your edge

I think it's ridiculous that, less than 24 hours after the Rangers season ends, fans think the Rangers are screwed for next season?

The Flyers didn't know if they were going to make the playoffs until the last weekend of the season and they are going to the ECF, but somehow 5 months before the 08-09 season begins, the Rangers are in trouble.

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05-05-2008, 10:26 AM
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Stop trying to "sign" Hossa.

He's not worth the money, he disappears and hasn't shown any leadership abilities. Especially if you guys are gonna dish out 8 mil.

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05-05-2008, 10:28 AM
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If it helps, Kobe Bryant makes about 20+ million a season.

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05-05-2008, 10:36 AM
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No Hossa... Especially for that money.

Guys like Orpik are worth considering however. Even a guy like Redden to replace Rozsival.

Very important that they don't overpay Avery.

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05-05-2008, 10:58 AM
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If we don't resign Jagr than we need to sign Hossa. Somebody has to replace the production. The guy is almost a career PPG player. he will be 30 next year so i wouldn't give over 5 yrs. He doesn't take many penalties at all, can PK very well, is good on the PP, he is a Perennial 30 goal scorer (except this yr he had 29 in 72 games, and played injured a couple games). He has scored 29+ goals in 8 consecutive years. In the PO's he has 45 pts in 64 games which isn't horrible by any means considering this.

Hossa- 64pg 45pts = .70 ppg
Gomez - 107gp 76 pts. = .71ppg
Drury - 124gp 87pts = .70ppg
Shanny - 177gp 131 pts = .77ppg
Straka- 106gp 70pts = .66ppg

But no. Hossa dissappears during the playoffs according to most people on HF boards. i guess than Drury and Gomez do as well as they have basically the same stats and ppg during the playoffs.

Bottom line is that we need a Hossa like player. A sniper who is a constant threat to score.

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05-05-2008, 11:11 AM
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What is everyone talking about Hossa "disappearing" in the playoffs? He had a bad year in 2000 with 0 points in 6 games and obviously was bad in last year's Rangers' sweep of Atlanta. Outside of that the guy's been pretty darn good.

In '02 he had 10 points in 12 playoff games, in '03 he had 16 points in 18 playoff games and in '04 he had 4 points in 7.

Not to mention the fact that he's got 10 points in 9 playoff games so far this year and the only disappearing act he's pulled is making the Rangers go bye-bye.

Not saying we should DEFINITELY make a big push for him, but I'm not seeing too many flaws here.

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05-05-2008, 11:15 AM
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If we don't resign Jagr than we need to sign Hossa. Somebody has to replace the production. The guy is almost a career PPG player. he will be 30 next year so i wouldn't give over 5 yrs. He doesn't take many penalties at all, can PK very well, is good on the PP, he is a Perennial 30 goal scorer (except this yr he had 29 in 72 games, and played injured a couple games). He has scored 29+ goals in 8 consecutive years. In the PO's he has 45 pts in 64 games which isn't horrible by any means considering this.

Hossa- 64pg 45pts = .70 ppg
Gomez - 107gp 76 pts. = .71ppg
Drury - 124gp 87pts = .70ppg
Shanny - 177gp 131 pts = .77ppg
Straka- 106gp 70pts = .66ppg

But no. Hossa dissappears during the playoffs according to most people on HF boards. i guess than Drury and Gomez do as well as they have basically the same stats and ppg during the playoffs.

Bottom line is that we need a Hossa like player. A sniper who is a constant threat to score.
Absolutely. If Jagr goes we can't expect to hope that someone from within the organization steps up and replaces his offense. It's not going to happen. We're gonna have to go out and get someone. That said, I hope Jagr comes back for 1 or 2 more seasons.

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05-05-2008, 11:29 AM
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Stop trying to "sign" Hossa.

He's not worth the money, he disappears and hasn't shown any leadership abilities. Especially if you guys are gonna dish out 8 mil.
I guess you're right. Guys with leadership abilities like Drury, Gomez, Shanahan get you bounced in the second round of the playoffs.

Those selfish babies Crosby, Malkin, Hossa are all moving on bud. We have the talkers, we need the doers.

We definitely do need someone like Hossa. However, if you put the offense on Hossa's shoulders like it was on Jagr's, is it too much for him to handle? That's my only concern. When Marty ****in Straka is fumblin passes and turning the puck over, how much can Hossa really accomplish?

OT: Every day I have a new appreciation for Jagr, the man dealt with alot

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We're going to have to make some key signings to fill some gaps in our lineup, but I think our goal scorer will ultimately come from a big trade. People keep going on about how great our prospect pool is, but other than Cherepanov and Sanguinetti, we don't have anyone who is projected to be anything other than a borderline 2nd/3rd liner or 4/5/6 defenseman.

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its not so bad. you made some errors:

add:
1. Dawes
2. Sjostrom
3. Backman - he will play on 3rd pair

You then only need 2 forwards and 2 D I think, so:
1. Jagr - re-sign for 4.5 mill
2. Korpikorski - insert instead of Shany
3. Sanguinetti - let play with Staal
4. Mara in - i like him with Backman

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its not so bad. you made some errors:

add:
1. Dawes
2. Sjostrom
3. Backman - he will play on 3rd pair

You then only need 2 forwards and 2 D I think, so:
1. Jagr - re-sign for 4.5 mill
2. Korpikorski - insert instead of Shany
3. Sanguinetti - let play with Staal
4. Mara in - i like him with Backman
I think 4.5 mil is an insult to Jagr. We should offer him 6, and hopefully that's enough to get him to stay.

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I think 4.5 mil is an insult to Jagr. We should offer him 6, and hopefully that's enough to get him to stay.
It's a business and Jagr knows that as well as anyone. You consider how much his production is worth, how much you've got in the budget to spend and whether there will be other teams bidding on his services as well, then try to get the best deal you can.

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It's a business and Jagr knows that as well as anyone. You consider how much his production is worth, how much you've got in the budget to spend and whether there will be other teams bidding on his services as well, then try to get the best deal you can.
All true. But Jagr isn't going to sign here for 4.5m. I'd happily have him back for 1 year at 6.5m or two years at 6m/per. Who else are we going to be able to sign for less (on a short term deal) that's going to put up better numbers?

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Orpik will cost 4-4.5M when he becomes a UFA, if he would sign for 1.75M we can easily and will keep him, he likes it in Pittsburgh last i heard. Assuming we don't keep the 3 Pens. Malone 4M, Hossa 9M, and Orpik 4.5M.
I dont know about you but I would not play for half of what I can get because I like it somewhere.* If Malone had common sense he would cash in on his success of the past few years when he can.*

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