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05-05-2008, 12:10 AM
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Sjostrom Trade

Why has everyone fallen in love with Sjostrom?

I've seen many line projections where people put him on the third line...i've seen people say "the backman trade was poor but atleast we made up for it by getting sjostrom".

All i am thinking is...is this guy really an upgrade over Marcel Hossa?

I was not particularly a Hossa fan but the guy had more offensive ability and was often praised for his improving defensive game. On the other hand Sjostrom arguably plays with more passion but he also skates around like a chicken with his head cut off. I believe he scored one goal during his 25 or so games with us (regular season and playoffs) and it was that play against Philly where he banged home his own rebound. I know he played with some challenged linemates but im just saying we haven't seen him do anything.

All in all, I am not one who going to consider him a real asset to the organization...just a guy who you can plug in to the 4th line and won't embarass you.

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05-05-2008, 12:11 AM
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I agree, I don't see it much either. I thought Hossa was better.

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Instead of killing good players like Sjostrom you should be killing guys like Hollwegg who really deserve it for being absolutely useless and a liability.

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05-05-2008, 12:22 AM
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I'm not high on him, but he's better than Hossa.

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05-05-2008, 12:35 AM
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Really???

I feel Sjo has been misused up to this point... It's hard to impress anyone when your on a line w/ Ryan Hollweg and getting 5 minutes of icetime a game...

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Sjostrom's good for twenty points a year, and on the current Ranger's roster, that's a third line spot.

Plus I think he has more utility uses, so to speak, than Hossa.

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05-05-2008, 12:44 AM
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Sjostrom is much more agile & a better puck handler than Hossa.

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I feel Sjo has been misused up to this point... It's hard to impress anyone when your on a line w/ Ryan Hollweg and getting 5 minutes of icetime a game...
yes. this.

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Really???

I feel Sjo has been misused up to this point... It's hard to impress anyone when your on a line w/ Ryan Hollweg and getting 5 minutes of icetime a game...
Agree fully.

As far as questioning whether he is better than Hossa... I say yay. He is much faster, seems more present on the ice. I don't mind him at all. I liked Hollweg at first..but he needs to go. I am so sick of him.

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Why didn't we keep Ortmeyer? It seemed like he did his job as a 4th liner well and liked his role. Why should we have guys like Marcel Hossa and Fred. Sjostrom that people want to turn into the next Jan Hlavac (the good Hlavac, not bad).

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Sjostrom is much more agile & a better puck handler than Hossa.
Totally agreed.

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Why didn't we keep Ortmeyer? It seemed like he did his job as a 4th liner well and liked his role. Why should we have guys like Marcel Hossa and Fred. Sjostrom that people want to turn into the next Jan Hlavac (the good Hlavac, not bad).
I loved Orty, his speed, and his shot blocking, but other than that, he didnt really execute much.

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05-05-2008, 02:24 AM
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A few peeps mentioned this in another thread, I think Sjostrom can fill Straka's role next season.

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I personally think Sjostrom is severely over-rated on this board. He's even been put as high as 1st line LW on some people's projected lines (it's HF though...and they were counting on Jagr carrying him much like the "Hossa explosion of early '07). A dime-a-dozen is a little too harsh, but similar players are not hard to find or acquire for mid/late round picks.

My main and only hope for Sjostrom is for him to attend "Jussi Jokinen's school of shootouts" over the summer. In looking up and down the current roster and prospect list, Freddy could be VERY important if he can demonstrate a great ability at shootouts. A shootout specialist can buy you an additional 5-7 pts a season.

*And I won't go into my rant regarding the trade, which still has marginally thin to NO upside for the Rangers organization*
**No one should be complaining about the Backman trade. We knew the exact type player he was. The Rangers/Sather believe in 8 NHL defensemen for the playoffs. The Rangers D was remarkably healthy during the playoffs. Renney's usage it a different issue, but the Backman price was so unbelievably cheap, who cares?**


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05-05-2008, 03:01 AM
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Personally I think his value on this team is currently a little low, only because they already have 4-5 very good PK'ers.

I think he's a good player to have on a team just because he has great line versatility, he skates and forechecks good enough to play a great 4th line role, but he still has the shot and hands to play 2nd line minutes a couple nights a year.

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Hossa may have had more offensive ability, but he'd only show it for one week during the season and then he'd disappear again.

There's absolutely no reason to pine for Marcel Hossa.

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Sjo is better than Hossa. but he has been misused.

It wasn't a bad trade, but it just might not have been the right trade.

Slats deadline deals: a 3rd/4th liner, and a #6/7 dman.. just not gonna cut it.

If Sjostrom is retained (arbitration?), I think he'll have a solid season if he gets more minutes. he's become acclimated to the system, and just needs better linemates. he can only improve.

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Hossa may have had more offensive ability, but he'd only show it for one week during the season and then he'd disappear again.

There's absolutely no reason to pine for Marcel Hossa.
Exactly, no one should be shedding tears over that load.

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Sjo is better than Hossa. but he has been misused.

It wasn't a bad trade, but it just might not have been the right trade.

Slats deadline deals: a 3rd/4th liner, and a #6/7 dman.. just not gonna cut it.

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Bascially those are the only trades Sather makes @ the deadline, no blockbusters since the Lock out.

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Why didn't we keep Ortmeyer?
Because he wasn't a good player and we have Callahan who does all the same things and more.

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Because he wasn't a good player and we have Callahan who does all the same things and more.
Plus he wanted to get paid as much as possible. He got 750k, when we already had a few 4th liners signed for ~500k.

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I still feel that trade was a gift to Maloney who was so high on Montoya from the get go.

We really didn't get anything of significance back from that deal. We basically gave up a guy we didn't want, but had to package a guy who the other teams GM obviously wanted. Now had we given Montoya some time as a backup in the NHL, we might have gotten more for him.

Sjostrom is definitely better than Hossa, but not much better. That being said though, I can't fault the guy for not producing on a line with Hollweg, Betts and Orr.

Both deals at the deadline were parting gifts to the other GM's more than anything else. It's like Slats took JD's word on Backman without ever seeing him play a single game.

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I wish Ortmeyer was still a Ranger. He was one of those guys who you thought would be here til the day he retired. So much for that.

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Why has everyone fallen in love with Sjostrom?

I've seen many line projections where people put him on the third line...i've seen people say "the backman trade was poor but atleast we made up for it by getting sjostrom".

All i am thinking is...is this guy really an upgrade over Marcel Hossa?

I was not particularly a Hossa fan but the guy had more offensive ability and was often praised for his improving defensive game. On the other hand Sjostrom arguably plays with more passion but he also skates around like a chicken with his head cut off. I believe he scored one goal during his 25 or so games with us (regular season and playoffs) and it was that play against Philly where he banged home his own rebound. I know he played with some challenged linemates but im just saying we haven't seen him do anything.

All in all, I am not one who going to consider him a real asset to the organization...just a guy who you can plug in to the 4th line and won't embarass you.

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He's better because he doesn't take shifts off. He's better because he has speed and uses it. He's better because he can be a useful player on the fourth line. He's better because while he only had two points for the Rangers that was two more than Hossa had for the Coyotes.

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He is perfect for a 4th line. He never takes a shift off and he is good enough to be a scoring threat now and then when he is on the ice.
He doesnt take stupid penalties, he actually finds ways to draw some penalities sometimes.

I have no problems with him at all. Just because people like him, it doesnt mean that they have ''fallen in love'' with him.

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he was misused in Phoenix and he is being misused here. The Rangers have to give him a shot on an offensive line that gives him a chance to score. a nice line to see would be

Sjo-Gomez-Korpedo

that would be an awesome line with insane speed

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