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09-06-2008, 09:22 PM
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New Montreal Top 20 prospects

Do you like it? I Think it's pretty good, but for me Price and Kostitsyn jr are not prospects anymore. Maybe Valentenko is a bit low, but not bad at all

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09-06-2008, 09:27 PM
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Pacioretty > McDonagh, but I'm perhaps in minority.

Solid list, we're still very strong at all position in our farm.

EDIT: Would have liked to see Jason Missian rating.

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09-06-2008, 09:29 PM
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Pacioretty > McDonagh, but I'm perhaps in minority.

Solid list, we're still very strong at all position in our farm.

EDIT: Would have liked to see Jason Missian rating.
Totally agree with you on Pacioretty.

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09-06-2008, 09:38 PM
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That's a solid prospect pool wow! Sick sick depth... When Ryan White is the last on the list... it speaks for itself.

Quick notes...

Interesting to see Desjardins in the top 20, he sure deserves some recognition!

Maxwell is expected to play in the AHL this season. He won't return in junior!


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09-06-2008, 09:46 PM
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I'm surprised to see Fischer's name at #10. I thought that he had fallen more than that this past season.

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09-06-2008, 09:50 PM
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Maxwell is expected to play in the AHL this season. He won't return in junior!

I was confused by that as well.


Too bad they couldn't get around to rating the other 2008 draftees.

Don't agree with Trotter in the top 20, but meh.

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09-06-2008, 09:51 PM
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My favourite part was reading Shawn Belle at 18 (Ranked #7 on MIN). I was under the impression Minnesota didn't have the worst prospect pool so that speaks volumes about our prospects. No Timmins = No Cup

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09-06-2008, 10:51 PM
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Fischer at 10? Way too low. The guy got some crazy upside, dont be fooled by his average season point wise and the media.

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09-07-2008, 12:01 AM
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Huh ?! I didn't know that Ben Maxwell will return to the WHL for his overage season... Is this a mistake ?! Anyone can confirm this ?

Also, Ryan White is a too low.... the guy just had a very good season and it's still not enough ?! Ryan White will be a better version of Kyle Chipchura and yet, Chipchura sits at number 8 ?!


Finally, Sergei Kostitsyn should be number two on this list...


Sergei Kostitsyn >> McDonagh >/= Pacioretty


For everything else, it's pretty good.



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Huh ?! I didn't know that Ben Maxwell will return to the WHL for his overage season... Is this a mistake ?! Anyone can confirm this ?

Also, Ryan White is a too low.... the guy just had a very good season and it's still not enough ?! Ryan White will be a better version of Kyle Chipchura and yet, Chipchura sits at number 8 ?!


Finally, Sergei Kostitsyn should be number two on this list...


Sergei Kostitsyn >> McDonagh >/= Pacioretty


For everything else, it's pretty good.


Hiyiyi.

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Huh ?! I didn't know that Ben Maxwell will return to the WHL for his overage season... Is this a mistake ?! Anyone can confirm this ?

Also, Ryan White is a too low.... the guy just had a very good season and it's still not enough ?! Ryan White will be a better version of Kyle Chipchura and yet, Chipchura sits at number 8 ?!


Finally, Sergei Kostitsyn should be number two on this list...


Sergei Kostitsyn >> McDonagh >/= Pacioretty


For everything else, it's pretty good.


Are you another brownman ( machine) or you actually think that you can predict the future?

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regardless of order the future is so bright

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09-07-2008, 12:47 AM
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Pacioretty > McDonagh, but I'm perhaps in minority.
Minority?

This board is MaxiPad crazy. 2/3rds of the people freaking out for him haven't even seen him play. The other 1/3rd is mostly made up of people who watched a few YouTube clips. Maybe 8 people on this board (I'm one of them) have actually watched him in a full game. However, like Sergei Kostitsyn last season, hes the new flavour of the Habs.

By rating McDonaugh higher, they are saying that Ryan McDonaugh as a defenceman has better potential being a superstar than Max Pacoretty as a forward. Comprende?

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Minority?

This board is MaxiPad crazy. 2/3rds of the people freaking out for him haven't even seen him play. The other 1/3rd is mostly made up of people who watched a few YouTube clips. Maybe 8 people on this board (I'm one of them) have actually watched him in a full game. However, like Sergei Kostitsyn last season, hes the new flavour of the Habs.

By rating McDonaugh higher, they are saying that Ryan McDonaugh as a defenceman has better potential being a superstar than Max Pacoretty as a forward. Comprende?
I think it's a situation where Ryan McDonagh should be listed higher in the top 50 NHL prospects list than Pacioretty but on the Habs prospect list, Pacioretty should be listed higher.

Some complaints.

Pacioretty ain't a C.
Maxwell is signed and going to Hamilton.


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09-07-2008, 01:14 AM
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I would have put Belle and Trotter in the noticable catogory, replaced by Trunev and Greg Stewart..

As for Pacciorety vs McDonagh, we should wait, McDo has the potential to become a solid top 3, 2 solid prospects anyway.

I would rate them as follow:

LW:

S.Kostitsyn 7.5 A
Max Pac 7.5 B
Conboy 5 C

C:

Kyle Chipchura 6 A
Ben Maxwell 7 C
Brock Trotter 7 D
Ryan White 6 C
Mathieu Aubin 6.5 D
Olivier Fortier 6 D


RW:

Matt D'Agostini 6.5 B
Danny Cristo 7 C
Greg Stewart 5.5 B
James Wyman 6 C

D:

McDonagh 8 B
OByrne 6.5 A
P.K Subban 7.5 C
Pavel Valentenko 6.5 B
David Fisher 7 C
Mathieu Carle 6.5 C
Yannick Weber 6.5 C

Price 9 B
Halak 7.5 A
Desjardins C


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09-07-2008, 04:55 AM
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I really needed a laugh after tonight.. and this list definitely helped. I feel so much better after getting a nice laugh out of my system. I'm not depressed or anything.. but 50 hours of work in 5 days was brutal.. but this list just made me feel like I haven't worked in 8 years.

Shawn Belle has absolutely no business being in the top-20. Trunev, Stewart, and Qualier [from what I've heard of him] are all far more impressive. Belle, to me, is a long-shot for an NHL job, other than a #7 defenseman.

Ryan White behind Shawn Belle and at #20 is absolutely hilarious. The guy was rated as one of, if not the best among many categories in the WHL.. Face-offs, defensive play, etc.. the guy is an absolute steal.. I really can't see him being much different than Chipchura.

Valentenko is a bit low and Kristo is probably a bit high.

Also.. how the hell do the rankings work?

#9 = PK Subban at 6.0 C
#12 = Yannick Weber at 7.0 C

Would that not mean that Weber is a better prospect? Weber has a higher ceiling.. and both are "unlikely" to hit their potential.

Also, while Price may have a higher ceiling than Halak.. I don't think its fair to say that Halak has the potential to be a Jeff Hackett, while Price could be Brodeur.

The list has A LOT of problems, with not only the order.. but the actual rankings don't make sense as listed above.

LIST RATING: 4.0 C

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Minority?

This board is MaxiPad crazy. 2/3rds of the people freaking out for him haven't even seen him play. The other 1/3rd is mostly made up of people who watched a few YouTube clips. Maybe 8 people on this board (I'm one of them) have actually watched him in a full game. However, like Sergei Kostitsyn last season, hes the new flavour of the Habs.

By rating McDonaugh higher, they are saying that Ryan McDonaugh as a defenceman has better potential being a superstar than Max Pacoretty as a forward. Comprende?
I have nothing against you.. but I'm pretty sure more than eight people have seen Pacioretty play. He played for Team USA for six games during the WJC.. A bunch of people have also seen him during rookie camps, etc.

I was one of the people who said Sergei Kostitsyn was going to be an amazing player and make the Canadiens last season (though I said from camp).. and he did make the club. I've seen him play tons of times while he was with London.. and the kid was amazing. He showed that last year.

If Pacioretty turns out like Sergei Kostitsyn.. then I don't see how anyone can complain.

Anyway, no one knows whats going to happen with McDonagh or Pacioretty.. both are great junior players and we'll see what happens in the future.


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09-07-2008, 08:56 AM
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I'm happy im not the only one that doesnt have Fortier in his top 20 woo. Even with SK Price and O'Byrne not bein considered as prospect in my ranking.

Desjardins at 17 is laughable honestly. I didnt look at the ranking too much, but it really stood out to me. Same for White at 20, he should be near guys like D'Agostini and Kristo to me.

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09-07-2008, 09:00 AM
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Fischer at 10? Way too low. The guy got some crazy upside, dont be fooled by his average season point wise and the media.
Even according to Timmins, Fischer's development has saturated, mostly due to illness.

http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/255298.html

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Where a player is ranked and whatever rating they have isn't really important IMO. There's as much guessing there as anywhere. What does matter is that the Habs have amazing prospect depth at all positions. I'd like to see a little bit more quality in our top forward prospects but the quality and depth of the d-men is really impressive.

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Even according to Timmins, Fischer's development has saturated, mostly due to illness.

http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/255298.html
Yeah, he indeed not bulked up as much as expected, but a 6'5 D-man skating and controlling the puck like he does i havent seen many. He's got some tremendous upside and he'll surprise lots of people down the road.

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09-07-2008, 09:36 AM
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Huh ?! I didn't know that Ben Maxwell will return to the WHL for his overage season... Is this a mistake ?! Anyone can confirm this ?

Also, Ryan White is a too low.... the guy just had a very good season and it's still not enough ?! Ryan White will be a better version of Kyle Chipchura and yet, Chipchura sits at number 8 ?!


Finally, Sergei Kostitsyn should be number two on this list...


Sergei Kostitsyn >> McDonagh >/= Pacioretty


For everything else, it's pretty good.


Actually, Kostitsyn should be ahead of McDonagh, as he should be off and on the "graduated" list, along with Price.

I don't know why everyone is shocked Valentenko is low, he's no better than a 5, or 6 d so far.

The real shocker is Belle.

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09-07-2008, 09:52 AM
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The real shocker is Belle.
I really can't wait to see Belle at camp and see how he fits in with our existing d-men both in Montreal and in Hamilton. I have a feeling that he might surprise...

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09-07-2008, 09:59 AM
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God, HF needs to change their GP's criteria already. I can't take a prospect list that has like 1/4 of the Habs lineup on it seriously.

BTW, McKeens rates McDonagh (27th) as a better prospect than Pacioretty (33rd) in their NHL top 120 FWIW. Subban is 46th overall on their list, he should be way higher than 9th IN OUR ORGANIZATION on this list.

Ryan White at 20 makes zero sense. Cedrik Desjardins ahead of him? whaaaaaaaat?

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Even according to Timmins, Fischer's development has saturated, mostly due to illness.

http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/255298.html
Not saturated...stagnate. He still was able to make strides in the last season. He started slow because of his problem, but finished strong. He hasn't saturated in any way because he'll only get better. Will he make it to the NHL? Who knows...but his development is far from over.

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I was hoping for some ratings for the 08 picks and I don't really agree with the list.

My 08 Player ratings:

Kristo- 7.0C
Quailer-6.5C
Missiaen-6.5D
Trunev- 7.0D
Pateryn-6.0C

Damn right if you think I pulled this out of the place where the sun don't shine. I never seen any of these players play in a full game and only seen prospect camp and highlight videos.

My Top 20

1. Carey Price
2. Sergei Kostitsyn
3. Max Pacioretty
4. Ryan McDonagh
5. Jaroslav Halak
6. Ryan O'Byrne
7. Kyle Chipchura
8. PK Subban
9. Ben Maxwell
10. David Fischer
11. Pavel Valentenko
12. Yannick Weber
13. Ryan White
14. Mathieu Carle
15. Matt D’Agostini
16. Danny Kristo
17. Alexei Emelin
18. Philippe Paquet
19. Brock Trotter
20. JT Wyman

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