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Since January 1st, Sabres worst in NHL in shots allowed per game.

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02-20-2017, 11:07 AM
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Since January 1st, Sabres worst in NHL in shots allowed per game.


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02-20-2017, 11:17 AM
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Defense and coaching are probably the two biggest culprits. On the bright side it's a positive for Lehner since he's still been good during that time.

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02-20-2017, 11:26 AM
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I've seen an increase in less threatening shots from the outside...but I don't feel like we've seen a huge increase in dangerous chances against, comparatively.

That's a lot of shots to give up per game, though...

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02-20-2017, 11:34 AM
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what does the zone time look like during that period?

Buffalo does tend to allow 'low % shots' under Bylsma (one of the reasons we see inflated goalie stats), but, the large gap in SF/SA is a bit concerning.

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02-20-2017, 11:36 AM
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Simplest answer is we've been winning more. Score effects.

We're 13-9-2 since Jan 1 with 69GF and 67GA. Prior to Jan 1 we were 13-14-8 with 76GF and 93GA. We've been winning/leading more often and based on GF/GA, even games we've lost have tended to be closer. It's a combination of how the sabres have shelled when ahead, and other teams not being ahead as much and taking their foot off the gas.

Yeah I know how you feel about score effects but just because it effects the sabres worse than other teams doesn't mean that its not a score effect. It also doesn't preclude there being another contributing factor other than simply score alone (like Player usage, Coaching tactics, etc) but the score is still driving those factors so its still a score effect.

Some of these twitter stats people seem to be the next evolution in the clickbait internet era - post contextless and misleading stats for views and followers and retweets, nevermind that the sabres as a team have actually performed better over the time period the stat shows them being worse.

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02-20-2017, 12:02 PM
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This is the largest indictment on our possession numbers to date. Especially considering the quality of shot numbers. I would guess that is directly tied to the woeful defensive play in our own zone.

We do need puck moving d men, but also d men who can muscle the opponent off the puck, get in shooting lanes and have enough speed to get in position to prevent those opportunities.

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02-20-2017, 03:44 PM
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This is the largest indictment on our possession numbers to date. Especially considering the quality of shot numbers. I would guess that is directly tied to the woeful defensive play in our own zone.

We do need puck moving d men, but also d men who can muscle the opponent off the puck, get in shooting lanes and have enough speed to get in position to prevent those opportunities.
We need puck moving Dmen. Why is Fedun not playing? Seemed like he moved the puck great.

It's obviously a team defensive effort as well. Forwards also responsible for getting out of D zone.

Maybe it's because Kane isn't a good stick handler?

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02-20-2017, 06:17 PM
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We need puck moving Dmen. Why is Fedun not playing? Seemed like he moved the puck great.

It's obviously a team defensive effort as well. Forwards also responsible for getting out of D zone.

Maybe it's because Kane isn't a good stick handler?

I'll hang up and listen.
True with the forwards. Plus the lack of offensive zone possession. That can be attributed to the forwards to a large extent as well. With the young newer guys I would point to growing pains but a lot of the vets lose the puck a great deal in the o zone.

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All shots not equal. Why does it seem like all the meaningful stats in hockey are kept secret like zone time and scoring chances?

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All shots not equal. Why does it seem like all the meaningful stats in hockey are kept secret like zone time and scoring chances?
Pretty much every analytics site tracks scoring chances.

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Pretty much every analytics site tracks scoring chances.
Is there one you recommend?

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Is there one you recommend?
corsica.hockey is my go-to for most stats

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corsica.hockey is my go-to for most stats
I should also say I mean quality shots like shots from the slot and around the crease.

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02-20-2017, 07:03 PM
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I should also say I mean quality shots like shots from the slot and around the crease.
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1924365

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I pretty much only used http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com.

I'll take a look at the others.

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02-21-2017, 06:36 AM
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I've seen an increase in less threatening shots from the outside...but I don't feel like we've seen a huge increase in dangerous chances against, comparatively.

That's a lot of shots to give up per game, though...
Yup. The way we play for some reason tends to allow a lot of shots from the perimeter, but not that many (comparatively) high-danger scoring chances. I bet in terms of goals allowed since January 1st, we're not close to the bottom. Our goalies should be thanking Dan for padding their stats.

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02-21-2017, 06:52 AM
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Soft play in the neutral zone and collasping in the defensive zone leads to lots of shots

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A lot of shots coming from the point and bad angles.

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02-21-2017, 07:20 AM
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I wonder what the shots against per period trend looks like pre-1/1 and post-1/1.

That might help noodle through the theory that the Sabres have had more leads post-1/1 and the higher shots against is in part due to the Sabres going into a shell to protect the lead.

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02-21-2017, 07:31 AM
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A lot of shots coming from the point and bad angles.
I'm glad you had the data. I was convinced this was what was going on.

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02-21-2017, 07:33 AM
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They allow zone entry a bit too easily, and put very little meaningful pressure on the points when the other team gets it in. Keeps shots to the perimeter, and they generally do well to prevent the quality opportunities in front of the net... but doesn't do much to get it out of the zone.

Not sure if that timid play is systemic, or just young guys trying to minimize the big mistakes that come with being too aggressive. Or both (more likely).


EDIT: Seems like something that could end up being addressed with a little confidence and maturity.


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A lot of shots coming from the point and bad angles.
So we allow relatively more shots than the league average from the perimeter, but a lot less from most of the real dangerous locations. I'm okay with that, at least without considering how that playing style might affect other aspects of our game.

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Does anyone have the numbers for games we've outshot opponents? I feel like we've done that maybe 10 times all season? Every game it seems like we've been outshot, even if we win and seem to control play.

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There is no sugar-coating this stat. Its bad.

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02-21-2017, 08:03 AM
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So we allow relatively more shots than the league average from the perimeter, but a lot less from most of the real dangerous locations. I'm okay with that, at least without considering how that playing style might affect other aspects of our game.
Probably why the Sabres are 8th in 5v5 GA60.

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