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05-19-2008, 02:07 PM
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Ah - the date that was bandied about here was December 5th as the cutoff date.
Nope. December 31st.

And anyway, I doubt they'd sign him, then leave him in juniors for 2 more seasons. That wouldn't make any sense.

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Nope. December 31st.

And anyway, I doubt they'd sign him, then leave him in juniors for 2 more seasons. That wouldn't make any sense.
Hence my suggestion of keeping him up with the big club next season...but if he's eligible for the minors, all the better. Presuming Frolik gets signed we'll be able to put him, Repik, and Matthias on a line together in Rochester.

If it weren't for the question marks on defense, you guys would have quite the team to look forward to in Rochester next season.

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Hence my suggestion of keeping him up with the big club next season...but if he's eligible for the minors, all the better. Presuming Frolik gets signed we'll be able to put him, Repik, and Matthias on a line together in Rochester.

If it weren't for the question marks on defense, you guys would have quite the team to look forward to in Rochester next season.
I'm not too concerned about the defense. With Lojek possibly heading off to Europe, Florida will have to sign a couple AHL vets for Rochester. Unless they want Peter Aston as their first call up, and I doubt that.

The real key to Rochester next season is a veteran goalie. Plante is fine as a backup, but he showed he's not ready to start yet.

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Now I don't follow Florida that closely, so my numbers may be off. But assuming Olesz and Campbell get contracts, that gives the team 14 forwards. Unless a few guys get unloaded and the team signs no one during free agency, I see no room for any of them to make the team anyway.
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The statuses of Peltonen and Stumpel are in question this summer, and I think maybe one other but I'm not sure.
Yeah, Stumpel, Peltonen, and possibly Dvorak's futures with the team are in question. I see Pelts making the team as he's been doing a lot of the little things right since his injury, but I'll be surprised if Stumpel's back. Dvorak was supposedly available at the deadline, so I imagine he's still available.

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I'm not too concerned about the defense. With Lojek possibly heading off to Europe, Florida will have to sign a couple AHL vets for Rochester. Unless they want Peter Aston as their first call up, and I doubt that.

The real key to Rochester next season is a veteran goalie. Plante is fine as a backup, but he showed he's not ready to start yet.
First I'd heard Lojek is possibly going to Europe, why's he going to do that? More time in Europe?


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I'm not too concerned about the defense. With Lojek possibly heading off to Europe, Florida will have to sign a couple AHL vets for Rochester. Unless they want Peter Aston as their first call up, and I doubt that.

The real key to Rochester next season is a veteran goalie. Plante is fine as a backup, but he showed he's not ready to start yet.
I am going to assume that Plante and Shantz will fight for the starter role in Rochester and Florida would bring in other goalie prospects for the Florida Everblades.

If Florida decides to take on the whole Amerks team our goalies will definitely get the playing time. I'm sure this would be negotiated in whatever agreement is made between the teams.

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I am going to assume that Plante and Shantz will fight for the starter role in Rochester and Florida would bring in other goalie prospects for the Florida Everblades.

If Florida decides to take on the whole Amerks team our goalies will definitely get the playing time. I'm sure this would be negotiated in whatever agreement is made between the teams.
Plante will be in Rochester, Shantz will be with the Everblades and a veteran goalie will likely be signed to be the starter in Rochester. I'm fairly positive it'll shake out like that.

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Repik is eligible for the AHL next season.
Nope. I'm 99.9% certain the cut-off date is December 1st. Read the article, even. He either has to play in juniors next season or in the NHL.

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Nope. I'm 99.9% certain the cut-off date is December 1st. Read the article, even. He either has to play in juniors next season or in the NHL.
It says December 31st on the AHL forum here, and just from memory, I'm pretty sure it's the 31st. I can get confirmation on that tomorrow.

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It says December 31st on the AHL forum here, and just from memory, I'm pretty sure it's the 31st. I can get confirmation on that tomorrow.
Please do, because there was another HF article on our prospects a couple months back that said that Repik isn't AHL eligible next year.

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Please do, because there was another HF article on our prospects a couple months back that said that Repik isn't AHL eligible next year.
Doesn't make it correct. I can even give an example. Marek Zagrapan.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php3?pid=71297

Turned 20 on December 6th.

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Doesn't make it correct. I can even give an example. Marek Zagrapan.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php3?pid=71297

Turned 20 on December 6th.
Oh yeah, I'm sure they make mistakes too, even though they're usually pretty good with that stuff. They seem convinced he's not AHL eligible next year, though.

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Oh yeah, I'm sure they make mistakes too, even though they're usually pretty good with that stuff. They seem convinced he's not AHL eligible next year, though.
Well, I'm pretty sure they got that one wrong. Zagrapan turned 20 after the cutoff you suggested, so the only other date I've ever heard of is the 31st, and that's when Repik turns 20.

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Well, I'm pretty sure they got that one wrong. Zagrapan turned 20 after the cutoff you suggested, so the only other date I've ever heard of is the 31st, and that's when Repik turns 20.
I guess he's eligible then. Thanks.

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Well, I'm pretty sure they got that one wrong. Zagrapan turned 20 after the cutoff you suggested, so the only other date I've ever heard of is the 31st, and that's when Repik turns 20.
This HFBoards discussion:
http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=13964189&postcount=2

which is sourced from the QMJHL page linked here:
http://www.lhjmq.qc.ca/lang_en/index.php?page=29546424

would support your contention that the cutoff is indeed Dec. 31.

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Plante will be in Rochester, Shantz will be with the Everblades and a veteran goalie will likely be signed to be the starter in Rochester. I'm fairly positive it'll shake out like that.

Why would the panthers invest there money in a franchise if they were not given the opportunity to develop there goalies there. It makes no sense. What is the use of having Plante sit on the bench in Rochester.

Unless the panthers have lost confidence in Shantz/Plante and trade for or sign another prospective goalie. I am going to assume this is what plays out.

David Shantz, Tyler Plante, Sergei Gayduchenko, Brian Foster & Marc Cheverie fight for 4 spots on the Rochester Amerks and Florida Everblades team. And I will assume they would put Shantz and Plante in a position to fight for the starting job in Rochester UNLESS they feel that they want both Plante and Shantz to start more often and have one starting often on each team.

Don't get me wrong, I am sure the Panthers want Rochester to succeed BUT first and foremost they need rochester to develop there players. I am sure the panthers will sign some veteran talent at the forward and defensive positions to help Rochester succeed but there is not enough goaltender playing time to go around and I am sure the panthers will put a good veteran goaltending coach in place to provide veteran goaltending assistance.

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Why would the panthers invest there money in a franchise if they were not given the opportunity to develop there goalies there. It makes no sense. What is the use of having Plante sit on the bench in Rochester.

Unless the panthers have lost confidence in Shantz/Plante and trade for or sign another prospective goalie. I am going to assume this is what plays out.

David Shantz, Tyler Plante, Sergei Gayduchenko, Brian Foster & Marc Cheverie fight for 4 spots on the Rochester Amerks and Florida Everblades team. And I will assume they would put Shantz and Plante in a position to fight for the starting job in Rochester UNLESS they feel that they want both Plante and Shantz to start more often and have one starting often on each team.

Don't get me wrong, I am sure the Panthers want Rochester to succeed BUT first and foremost they need rochester to develop there players. I am sure the panthers will sign some veteran talent at the forward and defensive positions to help Rochester succeed but there is not enough goaltender playing time to go around and I am sure the panthers will put a good veteran goaltending coach in place to provide veteran goaltending assistance.
Just take my word for it. Plante and Shantz clearly showed they are not capable AHL starters last season. And having an AHL veteran work with Plante is more beneficial than you think.

The other 3 goalies you mentioned will not turn pro, so they won't be fighting for any spots on any teams. The Everblades need a goalie and the Amerks need two. So where's the other one coming from? A free agent veteran goalie. And he'll likely be the starter at first. Plante will be the backup, unless he wins the job.

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Just take my word for it. Plante and Shantz clearly showed they are not capable AHL starters last season. And having an AHL veteran work with Plante is more beneficial than you think.

The other 3 goalies you mentioned will not turn pro, so they won't be fighting for any spots on any teams. The Everblades need a goalie and the Amerks need two. So where's the other one coming from? A free agent veteran goalie. And he'll likely be the starter at first. Plante will be the backup, unless he wins the job.
I'd rather see them get an FA goalie, too. Nothing wrong with competition, it's healthy.

You don't think Gayduchenko will be pro?

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I'd rather see them get an FA goalie, too. Nothing wrong with competition, it's healthy.

You don't think Gayduchenko will be pro?
Not for this season coming up.

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David Shantz, Tyler Plante, Sergei Gayduchenko, Brian Foster & Marc Cheverie fight for 4 spots on the Rochester Amerks and Florida Everblades team.
It's actually 3 spots - Carolina I'm certain is guaranteed one spot on the Everblades since it's a shared affiliation (and Carolina seems to be the dominant affiliate).

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The other 3 goalies you mentioned will not turn pro,
Are you sure on that? Foster graduated from UNH this year and though he was only a backup, he had fairly decent numbers and should get a look as a pro.

What's the deadline to sign him, anyway? August 15?

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Are you sure on that? Foster graduated from UNH this year and though he was only a backup, he had fairly decent numbers and should get a look as a pro.

What's the deadline to sign him, anyway? August 15?
He only just finished his second year at UNH? He didn't graduate did he?

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Are you sure on that? Foster graduated from UNH this year and though he was only a backup, he had fairly decent numbers and should get a look as a pro.

What's the deadline to sign him, anyway? August 15?
Foster just completed his sophomore season. I doubt he'd get a look until at least after his junior year.

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Foster just completed his sophomore season. I doubt he'd get a look until at least after his junior year.
If none of our prospects make the team they will just sign somebody to sit on the bench for the Amerks while Shantz or Plante split time with Carolina's prospect for the Everblades.


all i am saying is that it is counterproductive to consistently start someone in the minors if there is no chance of him playing for the Panthers.

If Jacques Martin has lost confidence in Plante/Shantz, (I doubt he has because JM is a very patient man) he will definitely search the free agent market for somebody better but I don't think he will because Plante hasn't been given enough of a chance. I also think he will give Shantz one last chance to prove himself.

I have not watched any of the Amerks games but I am going to assume that there defense was horrible last year because Jacques Martin didn't call up any of there defenseman last year. I am willing to bet we will stock you guys up with veteran defenseman so Jacques has a better idea of how good Plante or Shantz is. Plus he will want a veteran to work alongside Ellerby, who will likely be an Amerk next year.

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