HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Prospects
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Prospects Discuss hockey prospects from all over the world and the NHL Draft.

Am I reading these scouting lists right?

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-12-2004, 07:02 PM
  #1
st_roland
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: BUSH CONTRY-Frederick, MD
Posts: 1,469
vCash: 500
Am I reading these scouting lists right?

I could be crazy, but at the NA skaters list, Barker is ranked something like 10th?? What is up with that, I thought he was a lock for at least 4th overall in the draft, after Ovechkin, Malkin and Olesz? Can anyone explain this?

st_roland is offline  
Old
02-12-2004, 07:56 PM
  #2
Aaron Vickers
FC Hockey
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,222
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to Aaron Vickers Send a message via MSN to Aaron Vickers
Quote:
Originally Posted by st_roland
I could be crazy, but at the NA skaters list, Barker is ranked something like 10th?? What is up with that, I thought he was a lock for at least 4th overall in the draft, after Ovechkin, Malkin and Olesz? Can anyone explain this?
While I think it's not accurate to have him that far down the list, I've heard rumblings that he was better last season then he has been so far in 2003-04.

Is this reason enough for his rating? Probably not. I've been known to disagree with Central Scouting from time to time.

__________________
Get your copy of FC's 2014 NHL DRAFT GUIDE now!
Don't forget to pick up FC's 2014 Newsletter series too!
Aaron Vickers is offline  
Old
02-12-2004, 08:00 PM
  #3
leafaholix*
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Ron Hainsey is King!
Country: Botswana
Posts: 22,934
vCash: 500
Kyle Woodlief mentioned in an earlier article that he hasn't improved from last season.

That may have something to do with it.

leafaholix* is offline  
Old
02-12-2004, 11:46 PM
  #4
X-SHARKIE
Registered User
 
X-SHARKIE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Janesville Wisconsin
Posts: 9,362
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to X-SHARKIE
He's top 4 pick IMO. His stock shouldnt have fallen.

It's not really his fault, but he shouldn't be played so much. He's been a work horse. Gotta cut the kids ice time down.

X-SHARKIE is offline  
Old
02-13-2004, 12:16 AM
  #5
DR. Holiday
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Fighting the evil Schremp cult
Posts: 314
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by X-SHARKIE
He's top 4 pick IMO. His stock shouldnt have fallen.

It's not really his fault, but he shouldn't be played so much. He's been a work horse. Gotta cut the kids ice time down.
Wow all that from a tv viewing. Nice

DR. Holiday is offline  
Old
02-13-2004, 12:42 AM
  #6
Fedz
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Surrey, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,617
vCash: 500
I heard he was the captain this year, if this is true, that might be why?

Fedz is offline  
Old
02-13-2004, 01:04 AM
  #7
Vlad The Impaler
Registered User
 
Vlad The Impaler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Montreal
Posts: 11,726
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DR. Holiday
Wow all that from a tv viewing. Nice
That, and a (un)healthy reading of Redline :p

Vlad The Impaler is offline  
Old
02-13-2004, 01:10 AM
  #8
Vlad The Impaler
Registered User
 
Vlad The Impaler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Montreal
Posts: 11,726
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by st_roland
I could be crazy, but at the NA skaters list, Barker is ranked something like 10th?? What is up with that, I thought he was a lock for at least 4th overall in the draft, after Ovechkin, Malkin and Olesz? Can anyone explain this?
Are you talking about CSS rankings? And what is "something like 10th"? Because at this level, 1-3 positions less or more are pretty significant, IMO. Is it 7th? 9th? 11th? 13h? or 10th?

Vlad The Impaler is offline  
Old
02-13-2004, 01:43 AM
  #9
BlueAndWhite
Registered User
 
BlueAndWhite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,159
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlad The Impaler
Are you talking about CSS rankings? And what is "something like 10th"? Because at this level, 1-3 positions less or more are pretty significant, IMO. Is it 7th? 9th? 11th? 13h? or 10th?
Yes. It is mid-term CSS rankings. They have Barker 5th among North American Skaters. The list as a whole is a bit screwed up IMHO.
Wes O'Neill is ranked 20th among North American skaters for instance.

North American List:
http://nhl.com/futures/cssrankings/2...thamerica.html

European List:
http://nhl.com/futures/cssrankings/2...rm/europe.html

BlueAndWhite is offline  
Old
02-13-2004, 03:54 PM
  #10
Chief
Registered User
 
Chief's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: NY, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 1,833
vCash: 500
I think the ranking has to do with Barker's defensive ability...if they were in the same draft class, I would have had Barker behind all of Coburn, Suter, Phaneuf and Stuart.

Chief is offline  
Old
02-13-2004, 05:58 PM
  #11
X-SHARKIE
Registered User
 
X-SHARKIE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Janesville Wisconsin
Posts: 9,362
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to X-SHARKIE
Quote:
Originally Posted by DR. Holiday
Wow all that from a tv viewing. Nice
You're an Idiot. It's been well talked about, as well as shown in his ice time. Gamesheet well tell you that. Barker has been overused.

X-SHARKIE is offline  
Old
02-13-2004, 06:27 PM
  #12
BlueAndWhite
Registered User
 
BlueAndWhite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,159
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chief
I think the ranking has to do with Barker's defensive ability...if they were in the same draft class, I would have had Barker behind all of Coburn, Suter, Phaneuf and Stuart.
Barker isn't a sieve defensively - his whole defensive issues are becoming quite a bit over-rated.

To say that you would take Stuart over him, is a perfect example, IMHO....

His upside is as great, if not greater than any d-man taken in the 2003 draft, Suter and Coburn included.

BlueAndWhite is offline  
Old
02-13-2004, 11:20 PM
  #13
st_roland
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: BUSH CONTRY-Frederick, MD
Posts: 1,469
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlad The Impaler
Are you talking about CSS rankings? And what is "something like 10th"? Because at this level, 1-3 positions less or more are pretty significant, IMO. Is it 7th? 9th? 11th? 13h? or 10th?

I'd say its pretty insignifigant considering it was my understanding that Cam Barker was the consensus #1 NA skater in the upcoming draft. But I wouldn't be surprised if you know something I don't. You sure act like it.

st_roland is offline  
Old
02-14-2004, 12:25 AM
  #14
DR. Holiday
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Fighting the evil Schremp cult
Posts: 314
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by X-SHARKIE
You're an Idiot. It's been well talked about, as well as shown in his ice time. Gamesheet well tell you that. Barker has been overused.
Oh I thought you had said you used no other sources and just went on extensive viewings of 1 or 2 games on tape.

DR. Holiday is offline  
Old
02-14-2004, 12:41 AM
  #15
X-SHARKIE
Registered User
 
X-SHARKIE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Janesville Wisconsin
Posts: 9,362
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to X-SHARKIE
Quote:
Originally Posted by DR. Holiday
Oh I thought you had said you used no other sources and just went on extensive viewings of 1 or 2 games on tape.
UGH. You guys put words into my mouths. I even told you straite up I use McKeens has help. THat's a great site, I read Redlines articles on USA today but i'm not going to pay 40$ for that. I do see prospects. I'm pasionite about hockey and I love draft day. Ask anyone who I talk with personally, they'll tell you the same. Lay off Dr.Holliday...You hawk my posts...it's getting old.

X-SHARKIE is offline  
Old
02-14-2004, 02:14 AM
  #16
st_roland
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: BUSH CONTRY-Frederick, MD
Posts: 1,469
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by X-SHARKIE
UGH. You guys put words into my mouths. I even told you straite up I use McKeens has help. THat's a great site, I read Redlines articles on USA today but i'm not going to pay 40$ for that. I do see prospects. I'm pasionite about hockey and I love draft day. Ask anyone who I talk with personally, they'll tell you the same. Lay off Dr.Holliday...You hawk my posts...it's getting old.
I agree. Lay off X-Sharkie. I appreciate the service he does. Obviously he enjoys it, but I enjoy reading his thoughts.

st_roland is offline  
Old
02-14-2004, 02:21 AM
  #17
Epsilon
#TeamHolland
 
Epsilon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Florence, SC
Posts: 35,855
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlad The Impaler
That, and a (un)healthy reading of Redline :p
While normally I agree that the Poop Report is barely worth reading, in that particular article I didn't see anything really disagreeable. Of course, the fact that they open it with a bunch of self-congratulatory back-patting simply underlines everything negative about Redline's (and Woodlief's) entire style.

Epsilon is offline  
Old
02-14-2004, 05:03 PM
  #18
mowthecat
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: high on the mountain of love
Posts: 189
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by st_roland
I agree. Lay off X-Sharkie. I appreciate the service he does. Obviously he enjoys it, but I enjoy reading his thoughts.
However unresearched and based on actual hockey scouting ability they may be.

mowthecat is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:52 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.