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05-21-2008, 06:57 PM
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Andrei Kostitsyn

He is a Restricted Free Agent (RFA).

Current salary: $785,333

Compensation for his salary range is a 3rd round pick.

Amount Compensation Due
$773,442 or less None
$773,442 - $1,171,882 3rd round pick
$1,171,882 - $2,343,764 2nd round pick
$2,343,764 - $3,515,645 1st and 3rd round pick
$3,515,645 - $4,687,527 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
$4,687,527 - $5,859,412 Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick
$5,859,412 or more Four 1st round picks

Throw an offer sheet at him.

3.5 mil/year.

If Straka, Shanahan, and Avery are worth that, Kostitsyn who has far more talent then any of them is worth it.

Worst that could happen is Montreal matches.

And honestly, what are the odds any 3rd round pick ends up like him.

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05-21-2008, 07:02 PM
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He is a Restricted Free Agent (RFA).

Current salary: $785,333

Compensation for his salary range is a 3rd round pick.

Amount Compensation Due
$773,442 or less None
$773,442 - $1,171,882 3rd round pick
$1,171,882 - $2,343,764 2nd round pick
$2,343,764 - $3,515,645 1st and 3rd round pick
$3,515,645 - $4,687,527 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
$4,687,527 - $5,859,412 Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick
$5,859,412 or more Four 1st round picks

Throw an offer sheet at him.

3.5 mil/year.

If Straka, Shanahan, and Avery are worth that, Kostitsyn who has far more talent then any of them is worth it.

Worst that could happen is Montreal matches.

And honestly, what are the odds any 3rd round pick ends up like him.
Soooo... You think Montreal WOULDN'T match that??? His next contract will likely be above that tier...

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montreal would match.

but do be aware that there's rumours going aroung (possibly debunked) that a Russian club is planning on going after him and are ready to offer 4M+.

Just thought you'd want to know that.

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it would probably take a 2nd round pick salary range. if we cant trade up, go for it

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Isn't the pick based on the salary you're going to be giving them?

So compensation would instead be a 1st and a 3rd if we gave him 3.5, right?

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Habs could have as much as 15 M in cap space this summer and they've spent way too much time developping Kostitsyn to let him go once he becomes a good NHLer. They'll match.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by PukkuMikku View Post
He is a Restricted Free Agent (RFA).

Current salary: $785,333

Compensation for his salary range is a 3rd round pick.

Amount Compensation Due
$773,442 or less None
$773,442 - $1,171,882 3rd round pick
$1,171,882 - $2,343,764 2nd round pick
$2,343,764 - $3,515,645 1st and 3rd round pick
$3,515,645 - $4,687,527 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
$4,687,527 - $5,859,412 Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick
$5,859,412 or more Four 1st round picks

Throw an offer sheet at him.

3.5 mil/year.

If Straka, Shanahan, and Avery are worth that, Kostitsyn who has far more talent then any of them is worth it.

Worst that could happen is Montreal matches.

And honestly, what are the odds any 3rd round pick ends up like him.
it would only be a 3rd round pick if you didn't offer him a contract with a raise....

It doesn't matter what his current salary is.

And if the rangers only offered the 2nd pick range of approx 2 mill then the habs would match no question...

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this thread is pretty superfluous. The Kost brothers aren't going anywhere

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The point is, give him an offer.

The worst that could happen is Montreal matches.

Sather wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't give a player like Kostitsyn and offer.

I'd much rather slightly overpay for a guy like Kostitsyn then a guy like Rolston, or most of the UFA class.

I'd give up the 3rd and the money for him. Your guaranteeing you'll have a dynamic, productive player for many years.

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Montreal would match that offer.

In terms of RFA offer sheets. Sather doesn't strike me as someone who is eager to give out an offer sheet to a RFA. I think he has the old guard way of thinking where you don't go after someones RFA's. Just the vibe I get from him. Does anyone know if he ever gave someone an offer sheet in Edmonton?


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Originally Posted by PukkuMikku View Post
He is a Restricted Free Agent (RFA).

Current salary: $785,333

Compensation for his salary range is a 3rd round pick.

Amount Compensation Due
$773,442 or less None
$773,442 - $1,171,882 3rd round pick
$1,171,882 - $2,343,764 2nd round pick
$2,343,764 - $3,515,645 1st and 3rd round pick
$3,515,645 - $4,687,527 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
$4,687,527 - $5,859,412 Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick
$5,859,412 or more Four 1st round picks

Throw an offer sheet at him.

3.5 mil/year.

If Straka, Shanahan, and Avery are worth that, Kostitsyn who has far more talent then any of them is worth it.

Worst that could happen is Montreal matches.

And honestly, what are the odds any 3rd round pick ends up like him.
I think you're a touch confused

the compensation is based on the $ amount of the offer, not his salary the previous year

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this thread is pretty superfluous. The Kost brothers aren't going anywhere
Yea but you can say that about any thread.

There is no guarantee that any of the players being discussed will stay where they are or go where we would like.

But IMO this is the kind of thing Sather needs to do, he needs to be creative.

Those Drury/Gomez contracts are really handcuffing us to the point where we can't go and replace Jagr and solidify the wings.

OR, he has to trade up to get Boedker, Filatov, or Tedenby... WITHOUT giving up Cherepanov, Anisimov, or Sanguinetti.

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I think you're a touch confused

the compensation is based on the $ amount of the offer, not his salary the previous year
Thanks for clarifying that.

Still think i'd give him an offer anyway. Constantly having a mid-round pick doesn't guarantee you will get lucky the way we have with Staal and Cherepanov.

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I am pretty confident that Andrei will be signed before July first.

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The rumours of the $4-million offer have been debunked by both AKost and Bars Kazan, but in the year-in-review press conference Bob Gainey said something along the lines of whether or not the rumours were true, the Canadiens' intention is to keep him here.

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I'd be shocked if the Habs don't resign him, or match any offer sheet put out by another team.

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I am pretty confident that Andrei will be signed before July first.
My tought exactly

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I'd be shocked if the Habs don't resign him, or match any offer sheet put out by another team.
You're right, Montreal would match a $3.5 million per season deal in a heartbeat for AK.

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the way salaries are going up i wouldnt be shocked to see him signed for around that anyway by montreal, even without our help

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Thanks for clarifying that.

Still think i'd give him an offer anyway. Constantly having a mid-round pick doesn't guarantee you will get lucky the way we have with Staal and Cherepanov.
so you'd want to give up 1st, 2nd, & 3rd round picks for this guy @ $3.5mil, or even more if the offer was more?

not a good idea, and just to mention, Sather's job isn't to throw away draft picks with offer sheets. This organization may finally have turned a corner by doing exactly the opposite of what you're suggesting, by drafting and developing their own players, and I hope they stick to that, lest they fall back into their old ways.

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have to say i dont want us going down the offer sheet route, unless it is for the right player. i dont consider kostitsyn the right player.

the only players i'd give an offer sheet for this year are.

Corey Perry

Jay Bouwmeester

Shea Weber

Ryan Suter

the offer sheet although perfectly legal is a good way to cut bridges with teams for trades in the future thats why i'd only do it for certain players.

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The Kostitsyn's are nice players but they don't look to be elite ones. Offer sheets usually don't work. What usually happens is other teams get pissed at you. I would pass on this. If I were to use this option it would be on a budding young power forward type--Perry, Getzlaf come to mind or even Malkin.

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have to say i dont want us going down the offer sheet route, unless it is for the right player. i dont consider kostitsyn the right player.

the only players i'd give an offer sheet for this year are.

Corey Perry

Jay Bouwmeester

Shea Weber

Ryan Suter

the offer sheet although perfectly legal is a good way to cut bridges with teams for trades in the future thats why i'd only do it for certain players.
+1

and you are also very confused about the compensation given for a restricted free agent. If we gave an offer sheet that Montreal might be willing to not match it would mean at least compensation of a 1st and 2nd round pick.

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so you'd want to give up 1st, 2nd, & 3rd round picks for this guy @ $3.5mil, or even more if the offer was more?

not a good idea, and just to mention, Sather's job isn't to throw away draft picks with offer sheets. This organization may finally have turned a corner by doing exactly the opposite of what you're suggesting, by drafting and developing their own players, and I hope they stick to that, lest they fall back into their old ways.
Their old ways were signing guys in their swan song year and giving up those picks.

A player like Kostitsyn is only 23 years old, and a dynamic player.

While i may have been confused on the compensation issue, i never make suggestions that are of "old Rangers" philosophy.

There is a big difference between advocating bringing in a young player that hasn't even hit his prime years yet, and a guy like lets say... Rolston or Shanahan...

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Discussing RFAs are a waste of time. The Rangers aren't pursuing any of them. Teams like Edmonton with a ton of cap space and a lot areas of need are the teams that throw money at RFAs.

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