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Yes I know there are a lot of people that say Kaberle or Marleau will not be traded but you have no way of knowing that. So in the spirit of speculation, let's play the equal value game. Here goes:
To SJ: Kaberle
To Toronto: Marleau, Carle, Goc, McLaren
I know it may not take all of those players to get it done but why not? Feel free to add to either side of the equation but I'm pretty much looking for a Kaberle, Marleau base equation.
Oh, and can we keep the "player x and player y would never be traded" followed by "I promise you" or "I guarantee" or some form of nonsense of the kind?
And why is that? At least provide some reasoning. I just dumped double digit millions in salary for San Jose which can be used to re-sign Campbell AND bring in a serviceable replacement for Marleau on the second line left wing (Rolston maybe?). Goc is a RFA that won't be re-signed so no loss there and McLaren is a salary dump as well. So in all of that, I fail to see the "big, big no from San Jose "
Goc wasn't being utilized enough in SJ. Low trade value. I think he could be useful somewhere else though.
McLaren was one of the main whipping boys in SJ this year. Low trade value. I would be interested in giving him a shot in Toronto, but I wouldn't trade anything of value for him.
Marleau is the team captain, and I think the chances of him getting traded are much smaller than people realize. I also don't think his trade value is all that high until he proves he's worth his new contract, either. JMO. That said, I'd certainly take him in Toronto, but not necessarily for what the Sharks would ask for.
Carle is a guy that needs to bounce back, but I think he will. Has a lot of work to do defensively. That said, if the Sharks pick up a big-time puck mover through UFA or trade, look for Carle to move.
Kaberle is basically the only roster player on Toronto with high trade value, and he's coming off a comparatively poor year. He looked disinterested at times. He has to prove he can get back to '06-'07 form (where he was among the Top 6-7 in the world) before he should be looked at as a consensus Top 10 guy in the world. He needs to be paired with a physical, talented teammate to get the most out of his game IMO, and he's a brilliant player but he can by physically overwhelmed sometimes.
So, all in all, the trade doesn't happen. It just doesn't really "work."
Yes I know there are a lot of people that say Kaberle or Marleau will not be traded but you have no way of knowing that. So in the spirit of speculation, let's play the equal value game. Here goes:
To SJ: Kaberle
To Toronto: Marleau, Carle, Goc, McLaren
I know it may not take all of those players to get it done but why not? Feel free to add to either side of the equation but I'm pretty much looking for a Kaberle, Marleau base equation.
Oh, and can we keep the "player x and player y would never be traded" followed by "I promise you" or "I guarantee" or some form of nonsense of the kind?
No way from the Leafs. First to many contracts [1 real bad 1] comming back to the Leafs. Second Kabs contract is great. Third if you want Kabs the Sharks must start with Vlasic comming back the other way. Why is it with all Sharks proposal they always seem to end up with the best overall player in the deal.
Doesn't seem right to me.
1) Kaberle won't waive the no-trade, making this one impossible from the get-go.
2) The Sharks aren't trading Marleau. He showed promise in the playoffs and they've already fired Wilson to shake things up in the organization.
3) The value of the additional players in the trade is much too great for Kaberle.
4) I could conceivably see San Jose resigning Brian Campbell with the way he played for them (not to mention his friendship with Big Joe).
5) Carle and Goc will probably be traded for draft picks and/or additional roster players anyway.
If the Sharks want to take a stab at Kaberle, something really worthwhile has to be coming back. Sharks fans will have my head for even suggesting such, but I bet Vlasic+ would be have to be involved in a centerpiece to the deal
1) Kaberle won't waive the no-trade, making this one impossible from the get-go.
2) The Sharks aren't trading Marleau. He showed promise in the playoffs and they've already fired Wilson to shake things up in the organization.
3) The value of the additional players in the trade is much too great for Kaberle.
4) I could conceivably see San Jose resigning Brian Campbell with the way he played for them (not to mention his friendship with Big Joe).
5) Carle and Goc will probably be traded for draft picks and/or additional roster players anyway.
1) Ya, I wouldn't want to waive mine either to go from cellar to contender...
2) Could go either way...
3) Really? Marleau and Carle are the value and the either two are salary dumps... including Marleau and Carle
4) Internal cap= more cap space needed
5) No additional players needed... just cap space
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Originally Posted by trapper
No way from the Leafs. First to many contracts [1 real bad 1] comming back to the Leafs. Second Kabs contract is great. Third if you want Kabs the Sharks must start with Vlasic comming back the other way. Why is it with all Sharks proposal they always seem to end up with the best overall player in the deal.
Doesn't seem right to me.
In every deal, someone always ends up with the best player overall. That's why equal value goes the other way. Plus, the Leafs get a replacement top line center, two young players, and another player to blame losses on.
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Originally Posted by Transported Upstater
Goc wasn't being utilized enough in SJ. Low trade value. I think he could be useful somewhere else though.
McLaren was one of the main whipping boys in SJ this year. Low trade value. I would be interested in giving him a shot in Toronto, but I wouldn't trade anything of value for him.
Marleau is the team captain, and I think the chances of him getting traded are much smaller than people realize. I also don't think his trade value is all that high until he proves he's worth his new contract, either. JMO. That said, I'd certainly take him in Toronto, but not necessarily for what the Sharks would ask for.
Carle is a guy that needs to bounce back, but I think he will. Has a lot of work to do defensively. That said, if the Sharks pick up a big-time puck mover through UFA or trade, look for Carle to move.
Kaberle is basically the only roster player on Toronto with high trade value, and he's coming off a comparatively poor year. He looked disinterested at times. He has to prove he can get back to '06-'07 form (where he was among the Top 6-7 in the world) before he should be looked at as a consensus Top 10 guy in the world. He needs to be paired with a physical, talented teammate to get the most out of his game IMO, and he's a brilliant player but he can by physically overwhelmed sometimes.
So, all in all, the trade doesn't happen. It just doesn't really "work."
And that's why his value is so high and the highest on the team??
Last edited by Splitbtw: 05-26-2008 at 01:45 AM.
Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Yes I know there are a lot of people that say Kaberle or Marleau will not be traded but you have no way of knowing that. So in the spirit of speculation, let's play the equal value game. Here goes:
To SJ: Kaberle
To Toronto: Marleau, Carle, Goc, McLaren
I know it may not take all of those players to get it done but why not? Feel free to add to either side of the equation but I'm pretty much looking for a Kaberle, Marleau base equation.
Oh, and can we keep the "player x and player y would never be traded" followed by "I promise you" or "I guarantee" or some form of nonsense of the kind?
The difference between Kaberle and Marleau aren't as much as you'd like to think. But why would you want Marleau anyway? It makes no sense from your perspective. By the time Toronto becomes a contender again both Kaberle's and Marleau's contracts will have already been expired. If you're looking to rebuild, you should be aiming for someone young.
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Originally Posted by BlueForever
No from the Leafs perspective.
I wouldn't mind Marleau but not for Kaberle.
How about:
McCabe (if he waives no trade) if not then Kubina, Poni, and White
The difference between Kaberle and Marleau aren't as much as you'd like to think. But why would you want Marleau anyway? It makes no sense from your perspective. By the time Toronto becomes a contender again both Kaberle's and Marleau's contracts will have already been expired. If you're looking to rebuild, you should be aiming for someone young.
San Jose has no interests in McCabe.
I'm a Sharks fan. Toronto's success means nothing to me.
I'm a Sharks fan. Toronto's success means nothing to me.
The trade values of those Sharks players you're trying to get rid of are at an all time low. If San Jose' success means anything to you then you shouldn't buy high sell low.
Yes I know there are a lot of people that say Kaberle or Marleau will not be traded but you have no way of knowing that. So in the spirit of speculation, let's play the equal value game. Here goes:
To SJ: Kaberle
To Toronto: Marleau, Carle, Goc, McLaren
I know it may not take all of those players to get it done but why not? Feel free to add to either side of the equation but I'm pretty much looking for a Kaberle, Marleau base equation.
Oh, and can we keep the "player x and player y would never be traded" followed by "I promise you" or "I guarantee" or some form of nonsense of the kind?
It's just not enough. If Joe Thornton isn't thrown in, it's no deal. No Joe, no deal.
Last edited by Habsp*: 05-26-2008 at 10:40 AM.
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1) Kaberle won't waive the no-trade, making this one impossible from the get-go.
2) The Sharks aren't trading Marleau. He showed promise in the playoffs and they've already fired Wilson to shake things up in the organization.
3) The value of the additional players in the trade is much too great for Kaberle.
4) I could conceivably see San Jose resigning Brian Campbell with the way he played for them (not to mention his friendship with Big Joe).
5) Carle and Goc will probably be traded for draft picks and/or additional roster players anyway.
They missed the playoffs, he has a short window in which he can be traded
