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05-27-2008, 02:02 PM
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Various Chris Mason proposals

Nashville needs to sign Ellis. Nashville wants Rinne as his backup (he's on a one-way contract next year). Chris Mason is out, but Nashville needs to move him ASAP to ensure to Ellis that he's their man.

This could prove to be difficult, but here are some proposals.

To NSH: nothing
to ANYONE: Chris Mason, 3rd round pick

To NSH: Micahel Handzus
To LA: Chris Mason
(not sold on this one yet, as a Nashville fan)

TO NSH: nothing
To ANYONE: Chris Mason, at a cap hit of $1.5m
(re-entry waviers)

Any takers? Just last year, Chris Mason was 2nd in the league, with a .925 sv%

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05-27-2008, 04:30 PM
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well its pretty obvious now that Chris Mason has about as much value that Chris Neil does

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05-27-2008, 04:31 PM
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well its pretty obvious now that Chris Mason has about as much value that Chris Neil does
Mason for Neil?

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Personally, I'd rather keep Handzus.

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Was Mason that bad? Does he really have negative value?

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Was Mason that bad? Does he really have negative value?
Yes, he's a career minor leaguer who got hot and got lucky to be on team in a weaker division.


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05-27-2008, 04:46 PM
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Was Mason that bad? Does he really have negative value?
He struggled, and never really was given a great chance to redeem himself. Mainly because Dan Ellis stepped in a played pretty good (GREAT down the stretch and in the playoffs).

Nashville's hand is forced now. Ellis doesn't want to sign unless he's the man. Rinne has a one-way contract next year, and the Preds don't want to give him up.

If Ellis wasn't in the picture, Mason would be given chance of redemption. But, Ellis is in the picture...

I can't seem someone taking him on for 3 million. But, 1.5m... at the least, you have a decent backup, with a chance of redeeming himself as a starter.


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Was Mason that bad? Does he really have negative value?
He might _have been_ that bad, but I don't know that he _will be_ that bad next year. Or that he was the year before either. Maybe he got too comfy with the extension. But presumably he has now been reminded how hard he needs to keep working.

What could give him "negative value" isn't so much his intrinsic ability (which is a bit undetermined at the moment), but rather the pricetag attached. $3M isn't attractive for a "TBD".

That said, is anybody thinking deja vu all over again if they hand out a big contract to Ellis? I still can't find myself understanding what the fuss about Ellis is. His hot streak wasn't even as pronounced as Mason's, was it? Maybe I'm poisoned by seeing Ellis look so mediocre in Hamilton. But if Mason is a career minor league goalie who got lucky, or a "TBD", why isn't Ellis also?

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well its pretty obvious now that Chris Mason has about as much value that Chris Neil does
No thanks, we already have at least 1 back-up goalie making over $3+ million dollars... no need to add more.

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Yes, he's a career minor leaguer who got hot and got lucky to be on team in a weaker division.
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Was Mason that bad? Does he really have negative value?
No, he wasn't that bad... but the problem was that he was never that good.

06-07 = half his minutes played vs. St.Louis (1: 431 mins), Chicago (2: 365), Columbus (3 - 185) and L.A. (4 - 178)

05-06 = 60% of his minutes played against St.Louis, Chicago and Columbus.

Chris Mason is a cripple kicker.

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He might _have been_ that bad, but I don't know that he _will be_ that bad next year. Or that he was the year before either. Maybe he got too comfy with the extension. But presumably he has now been reminded how hard he needs to keep working.

What could give him "negative value" isn't so much his intrinsic ability (which is a bit undetermined at the moment), but rather the pricetag attached. $3M isn't attractive for a "TBD".

That said, is anybody thinking deja vu all over again if they hand out a big contract to Ellis? I still can't find myself understanding what the fuss about Ellis is. His hot streak wasn't even as pronounced as Mason's, was it? Maybe I'm poisoned by seeing Ellis look so mediocre in Hamilton. But if Mason is a career minor league goalie who got lucky, or a "TBD", why isn't Ellis also?
Good question. Seems that Ellis could be in Mason's shoes next off-season.

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I thought I heard that Ellis was certainly going to hi the FA market?

Mason - I wouldn't think he has negative trade value, but that's just me.

He's signed until 09/10, correct?

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Yes, he's a career minor leaguer who got hot and got lucky to be on team in a weaker division.
Do you always throw out the weaker division claim every time Nashville is mentioned? Are you still bitter that Nashville made the playoffs over Edmonton?

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I don't think Mason is as bad as some here do...including fellow Preds fans. I think he got off to a rough start last season, and the pressure of being a number 1 for the first time combined with the play of Ellis all season long got to him. I think he's capable of rebounding and I do think he has the raw ability to be a starter. We DID see flashes of brilliance from him..he just never could find consistency.

That said, I don't think the Preds have the luxury of time when it comes to waiting for him to figure it out. They've got a guy in Ellis who, despite what some are saying here, looked better than Mason has in his entire career and did it throughout the season, rather than just an end of the season push(as was the case for Mason during Vokoun's injuries). In addition, they've got a hugely promising young goaltender in Pekka Rinne that in a year's time could be ready to take over the starting job, anyway.

I'd like to see Mason bought out, but I'm not sure how feasible that is. My hope is that someone desperate for a goaltender takes a chance and gives us a low pick.

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05-28-2008, 10:11 AM
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True, the Ellis situation is similar to Mason last year. Except in most peoples eyes, Ellis played at a level Mason never got to.

But really, the Predators have to take a chance on Ellis being a fluke. Ellis pretty much got the into the playoffs, and he gave them a chance in the playoffs.

What's the next best option? Give the reigns back to Mason, or give the reigns to a guy with 1 and 1/2 games of NHL expirence? I think the opportunity outweighs the risk.

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
Ellis, however, would become an unrestricted free agent July 1. Nashville would not be able to keep him by matching another offer at that point.

"The sooner we could get him signed, the better,'' Poile said. "If we don't have Dan Ellis signed by July 1, I would think he's going elsewhere.''

Ellis' agent, Mike Liut, had previously expressed some concerns that if Nashville signs Ellis the Predators will have three goalies under NHL contract for next season.

"He's going to have to make a decision,'' Poile said of Ellis. "We have two goaltenders under contract in Chris Mason and Pekka Rinne, and we'd like to sign (Ellis). I believe he'd like to sign with us, but we haven't gotten to that point or situation yet."

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That said, is anybody thinking deja vu all over again if they hand out a big contract to Ellis? I still can't find myself understanding what the fuss about Ellis is. His hot streak wasn't even as pronounced as Mason's, was it? Maybe I'm poisoned by seeing Ellis look so mediocre in Hamilton. But if Mason is a career minor league goalie who got lucky, or a "TBD", why isn't Ellis also?
Exactly my thoughts. Mason had one good year and they signed him to be the #1 after Vokoun was traded. Now they have Ellis who practically had the same #'s and hotstreak in which he thrust himself into the spotlight. Signing him to the kinda money he wants is a very risky move. IMO it could backfire for their cap numbers, but I'm fairly sure Rinne can/will be able to take the reigns in case Ellis falters.

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Mason was horrible at the start of the year and was the main reason the Predators were near the bottom of the west until Ellis took over.

As for trade value? Just buy him out, waive him or bury him in the minors. His trade value is probably 6th rounder at best.

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I'll take a stab at it:

From Colorado: C/LW Tyler Arnason (1 year @ 1.8m cap hit)
From Nashville: G Chris Mason (2 years @ 3m cap hit)

Nashville gets: an underperforming player that doesn't fit in Colorado's future plans, with TJ Hensick ready to make the jump into Arnason's current role as a 3rd line center. He can play LW also, where he might be a nice replacement for the potentially departing nashville LWs (Gelinas, Hordichuk). They also get a 1.2m cap savings this year, and 3 million the next year.

Colorado gets: rid of Tyler Arnason, clearing the way for Hensick. It also allows them to get a pretty decent goalie at a reasonable price tag, thus allowing them to let Theodore go without overpaying him. Budaj and Mason can fight it out in camp.

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Mason and a 2nd to the Canucks for their 3rd.

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I'll take a stab at it:

From Colorado: C/LW Tyler Arnason (1 year @ 1.8m cap hit)
From Nashville: G Chris Mason (2 years @ 3m cap hit)

Nashville gets: an underperforming player that doesn't fit in Colorado's future plans, with TJ Hensick ready to make the jump into Arnason's current role as a 3rd line center. He can play LW also, where he might be a nice replacement for the potentially departing nashville LWs (Gelinas, Hordichuk). They also get a 1.2m cap savings this year, and 3 million the next year.

Colorado gets: rid of Tyler Arnason, clearing the way for Hensick. It also allows them to get a pretty decent goalie at a reasonable price tag, thus allowing them to let Theodore go without overpaying him. Budaj and Mason can fight it out in camp.

That's the sort of deal I think we'll have to take. Arnason has little value to us, but his lower salary and one less year on his contract make it doable.

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That's the sort of deal I think we'll have to take. Arnason has little value to us, but his lower salary and one less year on his contract make it doable.
agreed ... if I'm Poile I do that trade & then resign Ellis, Suter, Weber & Radulov asafp

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It also allows them to get a pretty decent goalie at a reasonable price tag, thus allowing them to let Theodore go without overpaying him. Budaj and Mason can fight it out in camp.
Probably the best solution so far, methinks.

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