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06-02-2008, 03:47 PM
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I'm in.

I'm not sure about LL's concerns re: intellectual property rights. My understanding (admittedly this is based on a single business law course as an undergraduate) is that intellectual property rights for literary works only apply when there is some level of creativity and skill on the part of the creator. Just because we're having discussions here, it doesn't mean that HF has provided any significant intellectual contributions.

Besides, if the web domain has some type of right to our profits, wouldn't they still have the right if we did this via MSN groups, or any other site?

I will ask my friend (a lawyer); he isn't a specialist in IP but he might have some answers.

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I have a friend who studied Intellectual Property/Law, etc. I will query them.

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06-02-2008, 04:33 PM
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When it coems to writing and peicing the project together page by page we need to choose a layout and a basic design. Who here has power point and basic webpage making skills.(Each web page/power point would be a page in the book)

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When it coems to writing and peicing the project together page by page we need to choose a layout and a basic design. Who here has power point and basic webpage making skills.(Each web page/power point would be a page in the book)
I've got extensive knowledge of and experience with both.

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I'd be interested once there was a little more concrete direction.

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evil sather there are ideas it is just not published here

i could send to u one facebook

Paul Capstick is my name and i have ben from LOST as my pic
for now.


all plans maybe slightly altered and added too.

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06-02-2008, 06:49 PM
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I've got extensive knowledge of and experience with both.
awsome do you have a onine portfolio of your work that i could look at

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06-03-2008, 02:29 PM
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Well, I haven't joined yet or seen the site, but I have to say off the bat that I am highly skeptical that someone would pay money to buy a book about the all-time draft. Now that said, if everyone else is truly interested, I have no choice but to get in on it, do my part, and reap whatever reward there is (probably nothing) - I have visions of what could possibly work, but even though we could make a finished product that we can all be proud of, it still doesn't mean it's at all marketable.

I will join and check out the private group tonight. Maybe I'll have more to say at that time.

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06-03-2008, 09:58 PM
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Well, I haven't joined yet or seen the site, but I have to say off the bat that I am highly skeptical that someone would pay money to buy a book about the all-time draft. Now that said, if everyone else is truly interested, I have no choice but to get in on it, do my part, and reap whatever reward there is (probably nothing) - I have visions of what could possibly work, but even though we could make a finished product that we can all be proud of, it still doesn't mean it's at all marketable.

I will join and check out the private group tonight. Maybe I'll have more to say at that time.
im offline till tomorrow. The alliant office is down so i got no web ascess.

Hopefully the msn group turns you on to the idea.

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06-05-2008, 12:20 AM
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Site's not working... I'm just getting a blank page.

I'm like Fissionfire here, I don't really like doing the msn group thing. I also do not like signing up for something, just for one singluar purpose (i.e. getting ahotmail account just for this project)

What's wrong with:

1) Discussing our ideas on this site?
2) Having a mod set up a private forum for us to talk in?
3) A yahoogroup where we can receive emails?
4) All of us being on one big email circuit where we just reply to all repeatedly?

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06-05-2008, 02:42 AM
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I myself don't want to read dribble cause we tend to post dribble here from time to time and we would do it in a e-mail group as well.

seventieslord your not even a member of the msn group.

I just dont see us doing it here on hf because i pretty sure that they own anythig we create.

Terms n agreements would answer this

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06-05-2008, 11:47 AM
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This is turning into comedic gold.... I mean this has to be one of the worst ideas for a book that I have ever heard. Think about it, how many people are interested in hockey? A very small percentage of the population I would bet. How many of that are interested in the history of History of hockey? An even smaller percentage, a minute percentage to be exact. Now how many of those people would be interested in purchasing a book based around a draft of dead people that takes place on an internet forum? I would say that number is very very very close to zero.

I admire your attitude, but as it stands right now you are just wasting your time if you think you are going to actually publish anything.

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if your a nay sayer I think we dont want you or your negative energy

and stop posting here

if you dont want to be part of this

go away

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This is turning into comedic gold.... I mean this has to be one of the worst ideas for a book that I have ever heard. Think about it, how many people are interested in hockey? A very small percentage of the population I would bet. How many of that are interested in the history of History of hockey? An even smaller percentage, a minute percentage to be exact. Now how many of those people would be interested in purchasing a book based around a draft of dead people that takes place on an internet forum? I would say that number is very very very close to zero.

I admire your attitude, but as it stands right now you are just wasting your time if you think you are going to actually publish anything.
Proper marketing will make people buy the book no doubt and I have many ideas how to gain interest from the general public.

Where I am from people discuss hockey in the office at school at tim hortans its part of the culture. if you relay a great idea to those out there they will buy it

I wonder how many here own the hockey news top 50 (those over 30 should own it)


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I know I'm not in the MSN group yet. I went to that link to try to join it though... am I doing something wrong? It just came up as a blank white screen.

Have you been in a yahoogroup before? They're great. All members can set up the group the way they like it. You can receive each post as an email, or a daily "digest" containing all of one day's posts, or no emails and just read on the web. Also no security issues because you're not changing any network settings on your own system.

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06-05-2008, 01:00 PM
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You really have not thought this through have you? Marketing of a book? There is no marketing of books, they have to market themselves. Sure people talk about hockey when they stand in line at Tim Horton's but how many people read about hockey when they get home outside of the sports page? My guess would be none.

Fact is it isn't a great idea. It is a horrible idea. And no one would purchase this book. I would put my life savings on that. Have you even done any analysis on this at all? Talked to any authors? Done a SWOT analysis? Anything other than post on a message board? Because you will never get anything published and you are wasting your time.

By the way, the hockey news top 50 players, fairly reputable source. Guy on message board who isn't involved in hockey other than as an observer, not a reputable source at all.

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06-05-2008, 01:06 PM
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You really have not thought this through have you? Marketing of a book? There is no marketing of books, they have to market themselves. Sure people talk about hockey when they stand in line at Tim Horton's but how many people read about hockey when they get home outside of the sports page? My guess would be none.

Fact is it isn't a great idea. It is a horrible idea. And no one would purchase this book. I would put my life savings on that. Have you even done any analysis on this at all? Talked to any authors? Done a SWOT analysis? Anything other than post on a message board? Because you will never get anything published and you are wasting your time.
I understand its none of your business

You have not said that you are interested

what your doing here is what you always do on hf

your being an ass

it is what you do

There is a hockey market for this book just look at this website with 47 000 members.

One won't get rich from this book idea but its a note worthy undertaking that will be embraced by all who want to be part of this.

its obviously your up to no good as usual. You just like to cause a rucuss.

Please learn to be respectful of your fellow gms for once in your life.

No plans for the book will be revelaed here by me.

Heroes Stars of Hockey's Golden Era; PAGNUCCO,FRANK is one of the all timw best sellers for hockey books, He isnt well know, The players and the concept will sell itself and as i said before i have some nice marketing ideas that will work to help sell the book.

Plus we will have a dozen salesman

If you build it they will come and we will create a wonder work that will be a legacy for many generations of hockey fans for the past, present and even in the future.

In regards to the SWOT analysis I want to plan the book and knwo what we are creating before I take a few hrs to do one and I know how to do one I have done them before.

If I dotn do it I am sure anyone else with a busienss background can do it I know that tranplanted caper has worked for a marketing firm over in ottawa and I am posative that god bless canada could do this as well.

In our meeting we will find out the strengths and talents of out fellow gms,


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So that is your business plan... Hope? You aren't running a presidential campaign, hope is not enough. You point to the number of posters on the HFBoards website. How many of those posters are active posters. Now how many of those posters are active on the history of hockey board? Now how many of those on the hockey board are interested in an all time draft? Right now you have 30-40 out of 47,000 who are signed up on the boards.... 0.08% of the boards population has shown to have interest in the draft when it is free and won't cost them a dime. So out of hardcore hockey fans you have less than 0.1% who are interested in an all time draft.

It isn't a marketable concept.

I have that hockeys golden era book. I got it when it was in the bargain bin of the chapters for $3.99.

Trust me I am doing you a favour in the sense that you are wasting your time when you could otherwise be doing whatever it is that you otherwise would be doing. I'm not being an ass, a wet blanket perhaps, but I am being honest with you, something that someone needs to be.

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Where I am from people discuss hockey in the office at school at tim hortans its part of the culture. if you relay a great idea to those out there they will buy it
Stating that there are cultural differences would make sense if it was me, a Texan, saying this was a bad idea.

(it is, by the way)

But FI#2 is from Calgary ...

Edit: Tim Horton. Not Hortan. Seems like something you would know, being from Toronto and him being one of your legendary, historical hockey heroes and all ...

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the market isnt the deep south it is hockey country.

we wont get rich from this anytime soon.

it will be a joyful undertaking by those who are commited to creating something great!

FI@2 no one asked you for your opinion

like i said b4 you seem to get your jollies out of causing a rucuss. Distracting from the worthy task.


I don't understand why you would want to stop the book project
If you dont want to be a part of it thats one thing but to be a thorn in the side for no reason is ridiculous.

Please no more from the nay sayers

Your opposition is noted. It is a shame.

You have a chance to be part of something special here but you are snubbing your nose at the process.

You are as a gm in the ATD are invited to be part of the group. The invite will remain open till we start the draft for the book.


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for those who are interested in the book concept we need to scheduale a online meeting so we can get this project moving forward.

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The market isn't there in the deep south nor is it there anywhere else for that matter, because it isn't a good idea and anyone who looks at it objectively will agree with that. My opposition stems from the fact that I have a right to do so and you seem to be to pigheaded to look at the facts as they are and the fact that this book will likely never get started, let alone finished, or published, or sell a single copy.

My opposition is rooted in the fact that it is a horrible, horrible idea.... and there is nothing special about being involved in a failure which was doomed from the beginning.

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you choose not to be part of the process

you have no say then because you have not joined us.

your just being an egotistical distracting ass.

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If I wanted to be a distracting ass, I would inform you that your grasp on the English language is an embarrassment and that if you were ever to write a book you would drive many editors to an early grave trying to determine what it was that you were trying to write.

I still have a say because you see there is a thing which is called free speech, which you might be interested to know is protected by something called law. So if your idea is crap I can yell it from the mountain tops if I decide to do so.

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If I wanted to be a distracting ass, I would inform you that your grasp on the English language is an embarrassment and that if you were ever to write a book you would drive many editors to an early grave trying to determine what it was that you were trying to write.

I still have a say because you see there is a thing which is called free speech, which you might be interested to know is protected by something called law. So if your idea is crap I can yell it from the mountain tops if I decide to do so.
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now go away

btw I suspect that you are writing boook yourself

This is a clear case of the hands that build can also tear down

You want to get rid of your competition

Keep the all the toys and play with them all by yourself


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