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05-30-2008, 11:31 PM
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Offers for Schneider

Any offers for canucks prospect Cory Shneider. He really came into his own at the later parts of the season and is a future No. 1 goaltender.

Preferably a young top six forward or prospects with top six potential

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05-31-2008, 12:38 AM
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Any offers for canucks prospect Cory Shneider. He really came into his own at the later parts of the season and is a future No. 1 goaltender.

Preferably a young top six forward or prospects with top six potential
Huet, an established #1 goaltender, returned a 2nd rounder at the deadline. You won't be getting a top six foward, let alone a young one.

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Huet, an established #1 goaltender, returned a 2nd rounder at the deadline. You won't be getting a top six foward, let alone a young one.
No, Huet, a goaltender in question when it came to the starting job, a shaky playoff performer, and a ufa at the end of the year, got a second round pick

I dont think schnieder will fetch you a top six forward, but schnieder would be one hell of a second round pick

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No, Huet, a goaltender in question when it came to the starting job, a shaky playoff performer, and a ufa at the end of the year, got a second round pick

I dont think schnieder will fetch you a top six forward, but schnieder would be one hell of a second round pick
How 'bout Bryzgalov put on waivers then? Either way, proven goalies don't have a high market, let alone prospects

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Not many people think it was a good move to simply put Bryzgalov on waivers

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Not many people think it was a good move to simply put Bryzgalov on waivers
I agree, but doesn't change the fact that non-franchise / non-starting goalies have low trade values right now.

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Biron only fetched a 2nd as well. If you want to assess his value look at the Tuukaa Rask deal. You may get a top-six guy coming off a bad season. Goalies aren't necessarily a hot commodity these days.

Maybe Max Afinogenov? I know Buffalo doesn't need a goalie with Enroth coming but that type of player is the value you are looking at.

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He had a great Second half. But Goalie prospect value is pretty low. A 2nd round pick can get you a quality netminder.

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There were extentuating circumstances in each of those situations:

- Bryzgalov went on waivers because every GM knew that Burke had to trade him due to cap concerns and the simple fact that he was demanding a trade. Knowing that, they waited for him to dump him.
- Biron only fetched a 2nd rounder because he was going to go UFA at the end of the season and Buffalo dumped him to make roster moves for their postseason push.
- Huet only returned a 2nd because Gainey 'knew' he had Hossa locked up and he needed to quickly make a move to free up cap space so he was basically dumped.

Last season Vokoun netted Nashville a 1st round pick. Now I'm not comparing Schneider to Vokoun but if a team is enamored with his growth and potential I could see someone trading a blue chipper or a second tier 2nd liner/3rd liner for him.

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There were extentuating circumstances in each of those situations:

- Bryzgalov went on waivers because every GM knew that Burke had to trade him due to cap concerns and the simple fact that he was demanding a trade. Knowing that, they waited for him to dump him.
- Biron only fetched a 2nd rounder because he was going to go UFA at the end of the season and Buffalo dumped him to make roster moves for their postseason push.
- Huet only returned a 2nd because Gainey 'knew' he had Hossa locked up and he needed to quickly make a move to free up cap space so he was basically dumped.

Last season Vokoun netted Nashville a 1st round pick. Now I'm not comparing Schneider to Vokoun but if a team is enamored with his growth and potential I could see someone trading a blue chipper or a second tier 2nd liner/3rd liner for him.
More likely the latter. But again the goalie market is at a low and I can't see many teams trading anything substantial for a goalie prospect.

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The Canucks are best off keeping Schneider unless they can get offensive help for him in return. There are no guarantees that Luongo will re-sign long term and if the Canucks go out and move Schneider and have a poor season next year they could find themselves in a tough situation.

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There were extentuating circumstances in each of those situations:

- Bryzgalov went on waivers because every GM knew that Burke had to trade him due to cap concerns and the simple fact that he was demanding a trade. Knowing that, they waited for him to dump him.
- Biron only fetched a 2nd rounder because he was going to go UFA at the end of the season and Buffalo dumped him to make roster moves for their postseason push.
- Huet only returned a 2nd because Gainey 'knew' he had Hossa locked up and he needed to quickly make a move to free up cap space so he was basically dumped.

Last season Vokoun netted Nashville a 1st round pick. Now I'm not comparing Schneider to Vokoun but if a team is enamored with his growth and potential I could see someone trading a blue chipper or a second tier 2nd liner/3rd liner for him.
Given you're just making stuff up, is the rest of your post true at all? Because Montreal had the cap space without unloading anyone, let alone Huet who had only $630k left.

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IMO Schneider's value shouldn't be subject to this "goalie market value" that is being suggested here.

The value that you guys are mentioning as the goalie market is based on 3 goalies moved recently - Bryzgalov, Biron and Huet... only one poster has brought up a good comparison with Rask.

Bryzgalov, Biron and Huet were all dealt (or moved) in the final year of their contracts... all were heading to UFA status. In every case the team acquiring those players had no guarantees that they'd be around past the current year. In every case the team moving them knew that they couldn't or wouldn't retain them following the current year. They were all short-term assets that the teams holding their rights wanted to move to stabilize their own goaltending situations.

Schneider has 2 more years on his entry-level deal, with no waiver eligibility. He's a former 1st round pick who has just finished a very solid rookie AHL season and played excellent in the playoffs, showing progression in his development every year since being drafted. He is a longterm asset getting better each year.

Guys more comparable here are Task or Montoya... teams often don't deal such prospects because there is no risk of losing their rights (like the goalies being mentioned that make up this "goalie market")... when they do move, it's either because a team will give up something of value (Task) or the team has committed longterm to another goalie (Montoya).

IMO right now, Schneider's value right now is somewhere between Task and Montoya... in a year or so, if the canucks can get Luongo signed longterm, Schneider's value will probably be a lot closer to Montoya's... right now though, with so much uncertainty in Vancouver, without knowing if Luongo will re-sign, it's a big risk to deal the best prospect goalie the franchise has ever drafted, or had! The canucks can start negotiating a longterm extension with Luongo next season, and if they can make that happen, that's when you deal Schneider.

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how about something like

schneider for taungay keetley

and add whatever else to round it off and make it more even, but the canucks need offence and keetley would replace schneider as the canucks goalie prospect except with less value

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how about something like

schneider for taungay keetley

and add whatever else to round it off and make it more even, but the canucks need offence and keetley would replace schneider as the canucks goalie prospect except with less value
Why would Calgary have any interest in Schneider when they have Kipper signed long term and Leland Irving in the system? On top of that, can you really see Calgary moving Tanguay to Vancouver or Vancouver for that matter moving their top prospect to Calgary?

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how about something like

schneider for taungay keetley

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i dont think its enough ...

Alex Tanguay hasnt done much in the NHL, he has plateaud as a bonafide 1st liner, why would we deal a prospect who has not played a game in the NHL for a player who can score 70 points every season in the NHL?


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Why would Calgary have any interest in Schneider when they have Kipper signed long term and Leland Irving in the system? On top of that, can you really see Calgary moving Tanguay to Vancouver or Vancouver for that matter moving their top prospect to Calgary?
Thank you for actually contributing logic to the discussion.

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RJ Umberger
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Schneider isn't worth Umberger alone.

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Schneider isn't worth Umberger alone.
Yes he is.

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Vermette's rights (he is an RFA) for Schneider

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IMO Schneider's value shouldn't be subject to this "goalie market value" that is being suggested here.

The value that you guys are mentioning as the goalie market is based on 3 goalies moved recently - Bryzgalov, Biron and Huet... only one poster has brought up a good comparison with Rask.

Bryzgalov, Biron and Huet were all dealt (or moved) in the final year of their contracts... all were heading to UFA status. In every case the team acquiring those players had no guarantees that they'd be around past the current year. In every case the team moving them knew that they couldn't or wouldn't retain them following the current year. They were all short-term assets that the teams holding their rights wanted to move to stabilize their own goaltending situations.

Schneider has 2 more years on his entry-level deal, with no waiver eligibility. He's a former 1st round pick who has just finished a very solid rookie AHL season and played excellent in the playoffs, showing progression in his development every year since being drafted. He is a longterm asset getting better each year.

Guys more comparable here are Task or Montoya... teams often don't deal such prospects because there is no risk of losing their rights (like the goalies being mentioned that make up this "goalie market")... when they do move, it's either because a team will give up something of value (Task) or the team has committed longterm to another goalie (Montoya).

IMO right now, Schneider's value right now is somewhere between Task and Montoya... in a year or so, if the canucks can get Luongo signed longterm, Schneider's value will probably be a lot closer to Montoya's... right now though, with so much uncertainty in Vancouver, without knowing if Luongo will re-sign, it's a big risk to deal the best prospect goalie the franchise has ever drafted, or had! The canucks can start negotiating a longterm extension with Luongo next season, and if they can make that happen, that's when you deal Schneider.

You mean Rask right? And looking at both those comparables there was very minimal return. Vancouver is better off keeping him and letting him develop into a solid number 2 option to Luongo. Things happen and you may regret moving a goaltender like Schneider.


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You mean Rask right? And looking at both those comparables there was very minimal return. Vancouver is better off keeping him and letting him develop into a solid number 2 option to Luongo. Things happen and you may regret moving a goaltender like Schneider.
doh... thinking Tukka Rask, and typing task

Montoya's return wasn't great... but the Rangers were in a situation where they didn't need him, having locked up Lundqvist longterm with a 6-yr extension.

With Rask, IMO the return was excellent... keeping in mind that Raycroft was just a season removed from his Calder, and would still be considered a quality young starter in the NHL.

if the canucks can get that type of player - a player not near UFA status, that fills a positional need and can address both short-term and longterm concerns (which Raycroft was supposed to do at the time of the trade), then it'd make more sense to deal Schneider.

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RJ Umberger
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Schneider
Wayyyyy overpayment. Id say yes to one or the other. But not both.



I think you have to look at the Montoya trade for best comparison. A team with a top goalie in the league and a guy behind him that everyone knows will never be a starter there.

That said id like to trade for him as a Flyers fan. If the value is so low then you should take advantage of it.

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Vermette's rights (he is an RFA) for Schneider
so sign him for free, or sign and trade your top prospect?

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