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05-30-2008, 10:43 PM
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Revamp of Scouting Staff

Ottawa has never have a strong prospect pool and hasn't had one for a couple of years now and that is what is keeping us down. Look at Detroit and Montreal who have always been winning teams but only found gems and good picks. LA, Chicago, Columbus and Pheonix will soon be true contenders when their prospects develop and Ottawa doesn't have that.

My proposal is too clean house of the Ottawa Senators Scouting Staff. We first need to get experience people that know how to draft. There have been rumors of Randy Lee becoming Director of Player Development but since its not offical I think this would be a good plan.

First we should hire someone that has scouting or front office experience to lead the staff and the name I always loved for this was Dave Taylor. General Manager of La for 9 seasons, he was successful in running the team but he was a good drafter and propose to make him Director of Player Recruitment and Development, same position Trevor Timmins has in Montreal. After that we bring in experience scouts from proffesional to amateur and recreate our scouting so we have a more efficent prospect pool.

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05-30-2008, 10:53 PM
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I think they have already made changes to the scouting staff since Murray took over as GM. Tim Murray as a bigger role, Brent Flahr and Pierre Dorion were brought in and Jay is gone.

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Tim Murray is more overlooking the development of the players in Bingo, I would keept Dorion and Flahr but keep give Jays job to Flahr.

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05-31-2008, 01:23 AM
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The sad thing is, a few years ago, we had a scouting staff that didn't have to be replaced...

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05-31-2008, 01:57 AM
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It's not the scouting staff, it's the world around it. Up until recently, a lot of the European market was untapped, particularly Sweden and Czechoslovakia and the Sens took advantage with guys like Havlat and Hossa, even Meszaros to an extent. Now everyone knows about them since Detroit (especially now) and Ottawa (to an extent) made such good picks. I think it's time to move on to new places. Switzerland looks very promising and in like 20-25 years, I bet China will yield a lot of hidden gems.

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05-31-2008, 03:15 AM
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It's not the scouting staff, it's the world around it. Up until recently, a lot of the European market was untapped, particularly Sweden and Czechoslovakia and the Sens took advantage with guys like Havlat and Hossa, even Meszaros to an extent. Now everyone knows about them since Detroit (especially now) and Ottawa (to an extent) made such good picks. I think it's time to move on to new places. Switzerland looks very promising and in like 20-25 years, I bet China will yield a lot of hidden gems.
China's is kicking ass at curling now too!! Gotta love the communist government sports funding! They'll pretty much be dominating the NHL in 30 years.

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It's not the scouting staff, it's the world around it. Up until recently, a lot of the European market was untapped, particularly Sweden and Czechoslovakia and the Sens took advantage with guys like Havlat and Hossa, even Meszaros to an extent. Now everyone knows about them since Detroit (especially now) and Ottawa (to an extent) made such good picks. I think it's time to move on to new places. Switzerland looks very promising and in like 20-25 years, I bet China will yield a lot of hidden gems.
Same with Belarus, Latvia and Denmark, but we can only harvest those picks with a good scouting staff.

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I thought we revamped our scouting staff a couple months ago? Didn't we fire Frank Jay and bring in Tim Murray? How can you say we need to revamp our scouting when we have not even had a single draft with the new scouts we just brought into place...

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I think JFJ, terrible as he was as GM, made some great draft picks.

Maybe it's the Leaf scouting staff, maybe it's him, but I would not mind him getting a scouting position with the team, if he's willing.

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I thought we revamped our scouting staff a couple months ago? Didn't we fire Frank Jay and bring in Tim Murray? How can you say we need to revamp our scouting when we have not even had a single draft with the new scouts we just brought into place...
T Murray wasn't brought in to scout, he was brought in to fix up Bingo and we still don't know if we have Frank Jay or not.

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China's is kicking ass at curling now too!! Gotta love the communist government sports funding! They'll pretty much be dominating the NHL in 30 years.

they'll pretty much dominate the world in thirty years..

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T Murray wasn't brought in to scout, he was brought in to fix up Bingo and we still don't know if we have Frank Jay or not.
Actually we do: we don't. He's in Montreal now.

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So we havn't updated our sites yet?

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I think I remember a few months ago, Bryan Murray talking about hiring someone else to put in Europe to assist with scouting. It was before the deadline, either on Team 1200 or in the Sun, but right before we signed Winchester and he was talking about Brunstrom.

I don't think we have anything to worry about when it comes to scouting. Our lack of prospects is due to finishing high in the standings and because Muckler had less emphasis on recruiting for Bingo and such.

I think we faired alright, considering the fact that Eaves, Meszaros, Lee, Foligno (our last few years of first round picks) are all NHL players.

The Detroit phenomenon is rare, their guys are just amazing. Bryan Murray doesn't have his head in the sand, which is why we were able to sign Winchester and we'll probably have a strong draft this year and hopefully for years to come.

Frank Jay was let go because they didn't have room for him anymore. The Murray's have a lot of experience assembling great teams.

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Wasn't it Murray who hired Hakan Andersson?

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Wasn't it Murray who hired Hakan Andersson?
Yes he was

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If you want to see the scouting staff that made us such a good drafting team you don't have to look far. Montreal has taken a lot of our top guys from us. I don't think its a coincidence that they draft so well now. Murray still has a lot to prove at the draft table, although he does have a good track record elsewhere.

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Well then I trust Murray more. Hiring Andresson means he is partly responsible for Holmstrom, Zetterberg and half of Detroit's soon to be Stanley Cup winning team.

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He was also partly responsible for their '97 and '98 team also.

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Wasn't it Murray who hired Hakan Andersson?
I didn't know Murray had any Swedish relatives.

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If you want to see the scouting staff that made us such a good drafting team you don't have to look far. Montreal has taken a lot of our top guys from us. I don't think its a coincidence that they draft so well now.
You can also look to St Louis with Jarmo there. Or you can look to wherever Marshall Johnston is now.

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Johnston ended up as Director of Proffesional with Carolina.

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I didn't know Murray had any Swedish relatives.

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