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06-04-2008, 08:16 AM
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Philly eyeing Meszaros

From Garrioch so take it with a grain of salt.

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Whether Meszaros will receive an offer on the open market as a Group II free agent isn't known, but he's still young and has plenty of upside. That's why the Flyers see Meszaros as an upgrade on defence.

If the Senators were to deal Meszaros, the question becomes who replaces him?

With veteran blueliners Wade Redden and Mike Commodore set to become unrestricted free agents, and not likely to be back, Murray has to be careful not to leave himself too thin on defence.

UPSHALL, UMBERGER?

Holmgren, who sources say held several discussions with Murray before Monday's GMs' meetings in Detroit, might be willing to offer winger Scottie Upshall or centre R.J. Umberger, who is a restricted free agent after making $1.25 million last season, for Meszaros.

"You have to be careful about giving up defencemen because everybody is looking for them," a league executive said. "Especially, young defencemen. That's where you have to be careful. You can't just give up on a guy because he's had a tough couple of years.
Would this be fair?

To Ott:
Upshall
Parent

To Phi:
Meszaros
Hennessy

Not sure how to guage the value of Parent, I'd like to get Upshall here but I know he isn't worth Meszaros alone.

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From Garrioch so take it with a grain of salt.



Would this be fair?

To Ott:
Upshall
Parent

To Phi:
Meszaros
Hennessy

Not sure how to guage the value of Parent, I'd like to get Upshall here but I know he isn't worth Meszaros alone.

Dealing Meszaros does not help the Senators unless they can replace him. No deal.

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Hennessy isn't worth much at this point, IMO. You'd have to add a better prospect on the Sens side to make it closer.

I don't think the Flyers would be willing to give up Parent either.

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I'm sure the Flyers would love to have Meszaros but this is not going to happen. Parent IMO isn't going anywhere.

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He won't get traded.

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Id say he'll stay a Sen.

But if not Parent isnt on the block.

Umberger
Kukkonen (Mini Volchenkov)

for Meszaros

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Id say he'll stay a Sen.

But if not Parent isnt on the block.

Umberger
Kukkonen (Mini Volchenkov)

for Meszaros
I likey.

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I likey.
I'm not sure, Kuk is hard to judge. Sometimes he looks great, but at other times he looks like he doesn't even belong in the league.

We're most likely losing Commodore and Redden, so to subract Mez from an already depleting d'core really isn't a smart move unless a team makes a offer that is hard to turn down.

That is why I suggested Parent/Upshall.

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I'm not sure, Kuk is hard to judge. Sometimes he looks great, but at other times he looks like he doesn't even belong in the league.

We're most likely losing Commodore and Redden, so to subract Mez from an already depleting d'core really isn't a smart move unless a team makes a offer that is hard to turn down.

That is why I suggested Parent/Upshall.
I'm biased against Meszaros though. It's a good thing I'm not the GM.

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As of today, Philly will have tough time resigning RFA Carter. Why would Holmgren add another "potentially expensive" RFA in Meszaros? Meszaros is probably looking for around 3.5 million and Carter 3.5- 5.0 million. Correct me, if I'm wrong but I can't see the Flyers being able to afford both of them.

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We need as many puck-moving defensemen as we can get our hands on. Without Meszaros, we're relying on Brian Lee and whoever we can sign as a UFA.

That doesn't mean to say he won't be traded, but if he does, it will be part of a larger deal, or another deal will need to be made to shore up the blueline.

Something like:
- Meszaros for a Top-6 forward
- Vermette for a Top-4 offensive defenseman

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We need as many puck-moving defensemen as we can get our hands on. Without Meszaros, we're relying on Brian Lee and whoever we can sign as a UFA.

That doesn't mean to say he won't be traded, but if he does, it will be part of a larger deal, or another deal will need to be made to shore up the blueline.

Something like:
- Meszaros for a Top-6 forward
- Vermette for a Top-4 offensive defenseman
As much as I hate Meszaros, this seems crazy. If the Sens keep Vermette they don't have to trade Meszaros, and if they keep Meszaros, they don't have to trade Vermette.

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How about Coburn and Upshall for Mes and ottawa's 2nd rounder?

Maybe Giroux or Nodl instead of Upshall.

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How about Brayden Cobourn for Andrej Meszaros and a 5th?

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How about Coburn and Upshall for Mes and ottawa's 2nd rounder?

Maybe Giroux or Nodl instead of Upshall.
Philly wouldn't move Coburn alone for Mez, yet alone something else. Don't get me wrong I'd love Coburn here, but I'd also love to deal Vermette for Carter, but it just isn't in the cards man.


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How about R.J Umberger and a 3rd round pick for Meszaros?
Umberger is going to make at least as much (most likely more) than Mez & we need d'men more than forwards, so I doubt it works on our end.

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How about Coburn and Upshall for Mes and ottawa's 2nd rounder?

Maybe Giroux or Nodl instead of Upshall.

So it's true the herb in canada is better than the US.

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Coburn isnt going to be traded. Great cap hit for too good a player.

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So it's true the herb in canada is better than the US.


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So it's true the herb in canada is better than the US.
The beer too!

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How about Coburn and Upshall for Mes and ottawa's 2nd rounder?

Maybe Giroux or Nodl instead of Upshall.
Wow - That's one of the most lopsided proposals I've seen a while!

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The beer too!
That's debateable.
Pennsylvania has some of the best Microbrews around.
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How about Coburn and Upshall for Mes and ottawa's 2nd rounder?

Maybe Giroux or Nodl instead of Upshall.


Congrats for quickly turning this thread into a HF typical ****** trade thread (incl. inaccurate infos about draft picks.)

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As much as I hate Meszaros, this seems crazy. If the Sens keep Vermette they don't have to trade Meszaros, and if they keep Meszaros, they don't have to trade Vermette.
It depends on who we get back for them. That's why I left it so wide open

I'm of the opinion that Murray is going to move Vermette, unless they can get him to sign for a steal of a deal. They committed big money to Fisher and they're going to make him the #2 center.

That leaves Vermette available, and the blueline is where we need the most help. If we get back a good top-4 guy, and manage to sign a UFA defenseman, Meszaros is trade bait for a Top-6 winger.

Yes, this all smells of fantasy hockey, but what else are we going to talk about until July 1

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Maybe a deal revolved around Joffrey Lupul and Andrej Meszaros?

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Maybe a deal revolved around Joffrey Lupul and Andrej Meszaros?
Value wise, maybe. but from our POV it doesn't make sense. We need a player like Upshall/Umberger more than Lupul, Lupul tends to shy away from contact at times, not exactly what we need to be adding (we have enough of those).

Great player, no doubt, just not the right fit for us, especially if were moving a young top 4 d'man.

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