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06-05-2008, 12:01 AM
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As a 20 year old, Pitkanen put up 8 goals and 27 points. 10 of them on EV

As a 22 year old, Pitkanen put up 13 goals, 46 points in 57 games, +22 rating. 26 of those points were on EV.

As a 23 year old, Pitkanen put up 43 points in 77 games (3rd in team scoring). 23 of those points were on EV.

As a 24 year old, Pitkanen put up 26 points in 63 games, a -5 rating on a poor 5 on 5 team. 15 of those points were on EV.

Comparisons around the league:
Chris Pronger - only 12 of his 43 points were on EV
Scott Neidermayer - only 8 of his 25 points were on EV
Phaneuf - 26 of his 60 points were on EV
Zubov - 17 out of his 35 points on EV
Andrei Markov - 23 out of his 58 points on EV

Clearly Pitkanen has demonstarted he can provide production on EV. An absolute ridiculous notion put forth by Flyers fans that he leeched off Forsberg.

Admittingly, he doesn't do much with the man advantage. His PP/60 rates leave room for improvement. At the same time, he was only 24 years old. He deserves more leeway, and he's a very talented young defenceman that will only continue to get better.
I agree, the guy is pure talent and a great 5 on 5 player, I wish he would be better on the pp but that isn't that hard to replace, you can always get a stoll to play the point on the pp.

I really hope he stays. He could be great, I think all the negativity about him is way over rated. the only downside is he has proven to be injury phrone, even so not to a great extent.

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06-05-2008, 12:04 AM
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I wouldn't either, but that has to do with the fact that a talented young player in the top 5 typically provides excellent value in the entry contract. If I wanted to win within the next 3 years, I would consider that deal

There are no guarantees the 2nd/3rd overall pick will be better than Pitkanen.

As for proven commodity - growing pains. Pitkanen has demonstrated ability to put up points on the boards at a very young age. He's still got a way to go before he reaches his prime.
A good rule is usually take what you consider normal devlopment for a forward and subtract 2 years for a D man, they take longer. At his age, his progression is still very good, he has put up two very solid years and a so so one last year, which really was a good year, he just didn't rack up the points and got hurt.

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06-05-2008, 12:11 AM
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I would want Frolov,Brown or Kopitar
If it is Cammy I want him and the #2 overall

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06-05-2008, 12:18 AM
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Cammaleri doesnt fit in Edmonton - too many forwards
Pitkanen doesnt fit in LA - too many defensemen

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06-05-2008, 12:26 AM
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I would want Frolov,Brown or Kopitar
If it is Cammy I want him and the #2 overall
wow...aint going to happen

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06-05-2008, 01:08 AM
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This thread is radical.

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06-05-2008, 01:10 AM
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not as radical as your post

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06-05-2008, 01:22 AM
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LA doesn't need Pitkanen. We have enough puck movers on the blueline as is and will more than likely come away with another one in Doughty or Bogosian.

The Kings core is finally being built right and moving any of them for Pits would be a step in the wrong direction.

I still would be surprised if Cammy is moved at the draft, hopefully he will regain his scoring touch and can be dealt at the trade deadline if he truly is on the block. I don't think his value is as high as it could be at the moment. He was awesome two years ago and hopefully last year was a fluke.

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06-05-2008, 01:31 AM
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I too thought that we have enough small skilled forwards, but cammalleri is one guy that I would make an exception for

I'm not hanging any hopes on something an ex-musician has said, but I wouldn't complain, not even for "still high-end potential" Pitkanen

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06-05-2008, 01:47 AM
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MacT stated that he wants Pitkanen back. He does not want Pitkanen traded, if the coach is saying that...he must not be that bad/hard to coach if the coach wants to keep him.

Pitkanen is staying, and I couldn't be happier.

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06-05-2008, 02:05 AM
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I read this not to long ago as a very good posibility. Coming from the GM. He actually said he would move the #2 pick for a established puck moving defencmen.
Really? Where did you read that? He never said anything like that.

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06-05-2008, 02:07 AM
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Cammaleri doesnt fit in Edmonton - too many forwards
Pitkanen doesnt fit in LA - too many defensemen
L.A. has 3 (maybe 4) defensemen on their roster. What are you talking about?

Visnovsky
Jack Johnson
Preissing
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I would want Frolov,Brown or Kopitar
If it is Cammy I want him and the #2 overall
Accept no less

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I would want Frolov,Brown or Kopitar
If it is Cammy I want him and the #2 overall
Haha, good one. Real knee-slapper.

You want Jack Johnson also?

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06-05-2008, 04:40 AM
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Haha, good one. Real knee-slapper.

You want Jack Johnson also?
we should give bernier too

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06-05-2008, 04:47 AM
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why would we trade our 2nd overall and cami to oilers for pitkinen. when we can just draft doughty and keep cami.

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06-05-2008, 05:25 AM
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Honestly the type of guy L.A. needs is Horcoff or Stoll (hopefully now recovered from his conucussion-itis).

The reason they keep missing the playoffs every year is because they don't have those types of players. They have a lot of talent but I get the sense they don't have that "glue" guy who has a little more sandpaper than glitz to his game and is a leader in the locker room.

I think Stoll straight across for Cammalleri makes some sense for both teams.

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L.A. has 3 (maybe 4) defensemen on their roster. What are you talking about?

Visnovsky
Jack Johnson
Preissing
Harrold
3... Harrold is probably a 7th D-man or AHLer on any other team.

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06-05-2008, 05:44 AM
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Oh lord...some people really don't understand what it would take to trade for a #2 overall pick.

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The reason they keep missing the playoffs every year is because they don't have those types of players.
Nah, last year they sucked because they didn't have any reliable D-man (Blake was okay for stretches). Think Oilers at the end of the 06-07 season.

If you watch Kopitar + Brown + Frolov they do all the hard work defensively just like Horcs... But when Brad Stuart is considered one of their best D-man(i.e Jason Smith for us in 06-07), you are in serious trouble.

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06-05-2008, 05:57 AM
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Nah, last year they sucked because they didn't have any reliable D-man (Blake was okay for stretches). Think Oilers at the end of the 06-07 season.

If you watch Kopitar + Brown + Frolov they do all the hard work defensively just like Horcs... But when Brad Stuart is considered one of their best D-man(i.e Jason Smith for us in 06-07), you are in serious trouble.
Err ... I remember if 06-07 we were dying to get guys like Brad Stuart, Visnovsky, Preissing, etc.

If we had that d-corps with the 06-07 we would've been in the playoffs IMO.

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Err ... I remember if 06-07 we were dying to get guys like Brad Stuart, Visnovsky, Preissing, etc.

If we had that d-corps with the 06-07 we would've been in the playoffs IMO.
visnosky had a poor year, priesing was a healthy scratch at times, stuart was no better than he was in calgary.

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Err ... I remember if 06-07 we were dying to get guys like Brad Stuart, Visnovsky, Preissing, etc.
And we dodged three major bullets! Too bad we didn't dodge the Souray bullet (decent player because of his shot).

I hope we dodge the Redden bullet this summer too and the lesser Ryder bullet.

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If we had that d-corps with the 06-07 we would've been in the playoffs IMO.
With forward crew of Toby, Jean-Francois "I can't get a point" Jacques, and the invisible pair of Sykora and Lupul... not a chance.

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06-05-2008, 01:02 PM
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Pitkanen seems to be getting judged as the final product when he's not, lots of defensemen are just getting into the league at the age he is now (Pitkanen will only be 4 months older at the start of this season than Tom Gilbert was at the start of last season).

JP had ten more points than Pronger did 4 years after their respective drafts, Pronger had played 4 seasons at that point and Joni had played 3.

Trading Pitkanen now is just getting back on the old familiar "develop them and then trade them when you can't afford to pay them anymore" bus if we trade him for a player of lesser calibre, but even in a lateral move we don't need a forward as badly as we need to start the season with a puck mover of Joni's ability.

This deal reeks, it's doable with a top 5 pick (we don't need squid though) but I'm sick of waiting another three years for the team to have success so I'd personally rather not.

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06-05-2008, 01:29 PM
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I keep changing my mind but this is the last time. Keep Pitkanen. I feel depth at the backend is slightly more important than forward depth. Spending 20 million for defense should be fine if the cap is 50+ million.

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