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Glencross / Torres

View Poll Results: Glencross or Torres
Glencross 53 51.46%
Torres 50 48.54%
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06-06-2008, 05:15 PM
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Glencross / Torres

Following off of Okgooil's thread, i just want a feel for who we wanna keep if it comes down to these two.

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06-06-2008, 05:21 PM
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I would take glencross, on the condition that you can trade torres for something. And he comes in at 1.3 mil tops. If any of those two things are impossible then I would take torres. And let glencross walk.

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06-06-2008, 05:34 PM
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id like to know, at what salary?

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06-06-2008, 05:36 PM
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Torres is obviously the better offensive player with more upside, but I'll take GlenX. I see him as a better fit for the 3rd or 4th line. IMO Torres is in desperate need of a change of address. IMO Glencross at $1.5M or less is better than Torres at $2.25M playing the same role. Clears $0.75M or more for other needs.

I wouln't mind keeping them both if possible. I'm a bit concerned with Moreau's ability to stay healthy for an entire season.

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06-06-2008, 05:42 PM
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Torres at his worst is as good as Glencross. At his best he's 10x the player.

Give me Torres any day of the week. I think he'd do fine on the 4th line. Might even to better since he wont be relied on to be a goal scorer. Just go out there and crash and bang.

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06-06-2008, 05:44 PM
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I dunno, its a tough choice.
First you have Glenx who had a excellent 20-30 games with us, but before that, he was a borderline NHL player.
Then you have Torres, who can also play excellent for 20-30 games but will disappear for the same amount.

Assuming Torres is making his contract he will probably be wanting top 6 minutes where as we could get Glenx for under 2M and he will play 4th line minutes therefore if he is in a cold streak it won't have as great effect as Torres having a cold streak on the 2nd line.

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06-06-2008, 05:46 PM
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You need to be more specific. As a player, Torres is superior to Glencross. He's inconsistent, but has the ability to play like a first liner every now and then, is more proven, and simply has a lot more upside. It comes down to contract issues. If we're assuming they'll be making equal dollars, I'd take Torres for sure. If Glencross isn't asking for the moon, I'd definately take him at $1.5 million or less over torres at 2.25.

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06-06-2008, 05:50 PM
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Give me Torres any day of the week. I think he'd do fine on the 4th line. Might even to better since he wont be relied on to be a goal scorer. Just go out there and crash and bang.
Yeah, that makes sense. $2.25 million to do something that Glencross does better then Torres, and at $500+ thousand less against the cap.

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06-06-2008, 06:05 PM
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You don't win the cup paying 4th liners around 2 Million dollars. And I can't see Glencross being much more than that.

Torres, although I don't think he is a consistent enough guy to be top-6, I would rather pay ~ 2 Million for.

Honestly though, for the money, I don't want either on the team.

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06-06-2008, 06:10 PM
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Yeah, that makes sense. $2.25 million to do something that Glencross does better then Torres, and at $500+ thousand less against the cap.
Until a injury hits our top 6 and Torres can fill in. Something that GlenX cant do.

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For the same money, I'd keep Torres. We have to get him hitting again though. His hitting causes turnovers and all of his offense is a result of that.

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Following off of Okgooil's thread, i just want a feel for who we wanna keep if it comes down to these two.
I don't see the need. I love GlenX's hitting and speed on the forecheck but follow Torres round the rink on a good day. Torres any day.

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06-06-2008, 06:26 PM
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It may have been a very small sample size, but I can say that Glencross showed up for absolutely 100% of his games, the same cannot be said about Torres who used to be one of my favorite players.

I would prefer to keep GlenX over Torres, I've already seen him battle his butt off, Torres lays a big hit every couple of games, and then does little else in the mean time. But GlenX was VERY effective through his short stint.

In short GlenX's play is what I expect from Torres, but Torres has never showed any consistency. So do you choose a guy who battles hard every night, or hold onto a guy who has potential, but has failed to produce the results required to take the next step?

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06-06-2008, 06:28 PM
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I think a big factor that contributed to Glenx success was the play of his centerman, Brodziak. When you look back at the film the two of them were a strong unit together. Seems like a sum of the parts situation to me.

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06-06-2008, 06:29 PM
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Until a injury hits our top 6 and Torres can fill in. Something that GlenX cant do.
Neither can Raffi Torres.

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Too many variables for a poll question. What if Glencross ends up getting signed for 1.25M or something? What if Torres' trade value is pretty good? Too much is uncertain right now.


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For the same money, I'd keep Torres. We have to get him hitting again though. His hitting causes turnovers and all of his offense is a result of that.
Just as a side comment. Remember a couple seasons ago when he put that Red Wings player in the hospital? When asked about that in the media he was very timid about that hit.

To me it seemed like ever since then those big time hits have disappeared completely. He still hits, not nearly consistently enough but even his normal hitting seems to lack the same zip it used to have IMO.

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06-06-2008, 06:48 PM
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I believe that hard work, and a good attitude is infectious.

Glencross provides those two things, and he'll come at the very least 500k cheaper then Torres. I don't like Torres' chances of producing offensively in a 4th line role, so we may as well go with the guy that will be cheaper and create energy night in and out.

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I've gotten tired of the headcase that is Raffi Torres. If the price is reasonable, I'll take the new guy.

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I've gotten tired of the headcase that is Raffi Torres. If the price is reasonable, I'll take the new guy.
Except the price doesn't appear to be reasonable...

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Just as a side comment. Remember a couple seasons ago when he put that Red Wings player in the hospital? When asked about that in the media he was very timid about that hit.

To me it seemed like ever since then those big time hits have disappeared completely. He still hits, not nearly consistently enough but even his normal hitting seems to lack the same zip it used to have IMO.
I noticed that too. Torres's biggest issue is that he isn't a goon, and doesn't like hurting people. But when he tones it down, he isn't anywhere near as effective.

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Except the price doesn't appear to be reasonable...
And if that ends up happening I fill the spot with Reasoner, MAP, Schremp, someone else from Springfield, or any other number of players that can be had through free agency or trade. I don't really see Torres as a 4th liner, especially not at his salary. Time for a change of scenary.

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Looking at our depth, I am in favour of Glencross for under $1.5. If he wants more than that, I am in favour of letting them both go.

Penner Horcoff Hemsky
Nilsson Gagner Cogliano
Pisani Stoll Moreau
Pouliot Brodziak Stortini
Schremp Reasoner

I would be able to live with that.

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Without knowing at what pricetag, I cannot say. IMO Glencross at less than $1.25 million, then Glencross for sure. If it's at an equal salary, then where's the neither option???

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06-07-2008, 11:22 AM
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depending on the money situation, i would love to see glencross back in edm. I was a diehard torres fan but his time has come and gone. i will gladly hold the door open for torres when he goes to leave

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Torres has had his time and has exhausted it in Edmonton. Combined with the fact the Oilers can trade his sorry ass and get at least something in return.

Glencross has made more of a believer out of me in a couple months than Torres did in years for the Oilers.

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