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06-13-2008, 07:28 PM
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nyislanders/hawks.

islanders sends 5th overall pick to the hawks for jack skille and 11th overall.

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islanders sends 5th overall pick to the hawks for jack skille and 11th overall.
No interest in moving down in this draft and certainly not for this return.

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Islanders need a top player, not a depth player.

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I would think that the Islanders would be better off with Skille (a former top 10 pick) and the 11th pick...than they would be with just their current 1st. How big a difference do you see there being between where the Isles are picking...and where the Hawks are picking?

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06-13-2008, 08:01 PM
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A big difference

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I would think that the Islanders would be better off with Skille (a former top 10 pick) and the 11th pick...than they would be with just their current 1st. How big a difference do you see there being between where the Isles are picking...and where the Hawks are picking?

A pretty big difference. Hawks will likely be looking at players like Beach. That is a big downgrade form Filatov and Boedker.

Besides, it is not like Skille is much of a trade chip. Despite his lofty trade position, he hasn't shown much since turning pro.

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I don`t think Jack Skill and the 11th pick for the 5th pick is close in value.Skille has been very very average since leaving Wisconsin.He hasn`t even been impressive in the AHL.

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06-13-2008, 08:53 PM
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Trading down 6 spots from our pick is a HUGE difference. We are talking going from Schenn and Filatov to a Beach for what? Someone who is looking more and more like a bust since turning pro? Pass without even a second thought

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06-13-2008, 09:20 PM
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No interest from Hawks either, they don't need draft picks now, they need warm bodies, and Skille is much closer to being a warm body than people seem to think.

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06-13-2008, 09:31 PM
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No interest from Hawks either, they don't need draft picks now, they need warm bodies, and Skille is much closer to being a warm body than people seem to think.
what the hell is a warm body???

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No interest from Hawks either, they don't need draft picks now, they need warm bodies, and Skille is much closer to being a warm body than people seem to think.
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what the hell is a warm body???
Someone playing on the NHL roster full time.

And to the fellow laughing, try explaining why the Hawks would give a rat's arse about giving up assets to move up the draft in their current position.


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Someone playing on the NHL roster full time.

And to the fellow laughing, try explaining why the Hawks would give a rat's arse about giving up assets to move up the draft in their current position.


Because Skille doens't look like he will ever contribute a high level. If you could upgrade from Beach or Myers to Filatov, Pietrangelo, for a player you will barely miss, that would be a good deal for Chicago.

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06-14-2008, 02:39 AM
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I would think that the Islanders would be better off with Skille (a former top 10 pick) and the 11th pick...than they would be with just their current 1st. How big a difference do you see there being between where the Isles are picking...and where the Hawks are picking?
Skille's former draft position means nothing.

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06-14-2008, 02:49 AM
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Skille's former draft position means nothing.

Especially since he hasn't done much at any level (NHL, AHL, or NCAA) since being drafted. You hate to apply the "B" word this early on - but it is starting to look that way.

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This is a deep draft, but a team should never move from fifth to 11th unless the return is huge. In this case, it isn't. The Isles are in position to land a franchise player -- which they desperately need -- at No. 5.

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Isle's fans should know a bust when they see one...

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If Skille had developed the way he was projected to, this would be a great trade for the Isles, and a no-brainer. But plain and simple, he's been a big disappointment considering the player he was projected to be. The Hawks will have to pony up much more in order to move into the top 5 picks this draft.

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06-14-2008, 09:15 AM
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Skille has been slow (er) to develop. I'd like to see him with a completely healthy year & consistent ice time..Having a lot of NHL possible prospects (Rockford) hasn't helped him much either..

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#5th overall could be a bust anyway, and it's way too early to give up on a 21 year old with speed and an appetite for contact like Skille has. Especially with the 11th overall involved.

I say no from the Hawks standpoint.

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06-14-2008, 09:48 AM
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Easy on the hate for Skille. The kid is only 21 and just finished his first pro season. In the near future, the kid should be a full time NHL'er soon. Maybe not where he was projected to be but still.

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Easy on the hate for Skille. The kid is only 21 and just finished his first pro season. In the near future, the kid should be a full time NHL'er soon. Maybe not where he was projected to be but still.
I don't think anybody hates Skille. He might be a pretty good player. It's a question of trade value of a pretty good prospect and the 11th overall vs the 5th overall. It's really nothing personal against Skille. He is who he is.

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06-14-2008, 12:10 PM
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Are you people flippin ********? You don't start tossing around "bust!" for a player who has barely completed one pro season after finishing his term in the NCAA. College players, unless they are superstars, almost always take a period to adjust to pro life. Skille has looked pretty darn good in the game's he's played and I (and the Hawks) would much rather keep him and draft at 11 than lose him and move up five spots.

He hasn't been "a big disappointment" at all and I question the judgement of anyone who thinks he has.

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This is a deep draft, but a team should never move from fifth to 11th unless the return is huge. In this case, it isn't. The Isles are in position to land a franchise player -- which they desperately need -- at No. 5.
way i look at the draft there is 4 top guys i really want(and good chance Filatov drops to us), 2 defensemen who could be in that group(Schenn and Pietrangelo) but might be a slight step below, then about 3 guys after that i would strongly consider dropping down a few spots if the offer was right(Wilson, Hodgson and Boedker).

Once you get to spot 10 and lower i don't think making a trade of picks would be a smart move unless like you say we get a huge return. (not that it will happen but i actually wouldn't mind trading with nashville 5th and 36th for 9th and 15th)

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Especially since he hasn't done much at any level (NHL, AHL, or NCAA) since being drafted. You hate to apply the "B" word this early on - but it is starting to look that way.
the guy just finished an AHL season where he was 20 years old and had 34 points in 60 games, as well as a nice cup of coffee in the NHL...how is that not a successful first year as a professional hockey player? Just because the guy didn't put up numbers like Okposo in the NCAA doesn't mean he's a bust...

guys a speed-freak with good hands and a killer shot. just needs time to develop. I'd be incredibly happy to have a (now) 21 year old in the system with that kind of game...sure he doesn' tplay as physical as he should but not every player can be Dustin Brown.

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