I wouldn't be surprised if they traded down a few spots.
I think both LA and PHX are primed to try to move - sounds like PHX likes Colborne and might try to move up to get him by packaging a bunch of 2nd rounders.
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Right now, from what I've heard, I don't think they'll move up unless they feel they can get a player in the 10-15 range that they MUST have.
I just don't see anyone worth giving up mega-assets for, especially since it appears to be a deep draft...if the player the rangers like isn't on the board, I'd be happy moving down and grabbing extra 2nd round picks.
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The top seven picks are pretty set, it'll be interesting to see if there are any moves afterwards because a lot of teams have VERY different looking lists.
Tyler Myers seems to be the wild card...some people have claimed he could go top five; otherwise he may drop down to Chicago. And who knows who this year's Thomas Hickey will be
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I've heard of Beach being as high as fifth for some teams and as low as 28 for others.
I've heard of Teubert as high as 10 and as low as 25.
The Rangers have gotten pretty fortunate the last three years with players dropping into their laps.
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My gut tells me the Rangers like Carlson. My heart hopes they don't.
He seems to have a lot of buzz about him, especially after the combines. Going to the London Knights of the OHL, instead of U Mass, might also effect how teams look at him on draft day.
Callahan is a 4th line player, he has limited offensive ability.
Dawes has good skill, but not at that level.
Also, he would not be ready to step in right away. You would figure he will play a 4th year with Medicine Hat and then go to the AHL. We are talking two years minimum before an NHL arrival.
We don't know that Prucha, Callahan, and Dawes are going to be here at that time.
IMO Prucha and Callahan should be dealt this year for a 2nd round pick. If we can get that for them.
I'm really not high on Callahan at all. He shows no offensive ability. It is OK to have guys for defensive purposes, but he should then be placed on the 4th line. That is where single digit goal scorers play: on the 4th line.
Dawes has enough skill and smarts to be a good NHL player. And he should stay, i don't care how small he is, he still scored 14 as a rook.
So, my point here is that a kid with the level of skill that Ennis has, you don't pass on him because of his size. Strength and weight are things that can be improved.
All you do to balance it is place him on a line with players that have decent size (but with skill) such as Dubinsky and/or Anisimov.
And after Dawes, Prucha, and Callahan, who do we have that is small?
Cherepanov and Korpikoski are not smallish. Cherepanov is over 6 feet tall and will fill out to about 190-200 lbs. Same with Korpikoski. They are about the same size.
I think we need to base our picks on skill and ability, not size. Jessiman was taken because he is big...
Callahan is a 4th line player, he has limited offensive ability.
Dawes has good skill, but not at that level.
Also, he would not be ready to step in right away. You would figure he will play a 4th year with Medicine Hat and then go to the AHL. We are talking two years minimum before an NHL arrival.
We don't know that Prucha, Callahan, and Dawes are going to be here at that time.
IMO Prucha and Callahan should be dealt this year for a 2nd round pick. If we can get that for them.
I'm really not high on Callahan at all. He shows no offensive ability. It is OK to have guys for defensive purposes, but he should then be placed on the 4th line. That is where single digit goal scorers play: on the 4th line.
Dawes has enough skill and smarts to be a good NHL player. And he should stay, i don't care how small he is, he still scored 14 as a rook.
So, my point here is that a kid with the level of skill that Ennis has, you don't pass on him because of his size. Strength and weight are things that can be improved.
All you do to balance it is place him on a line with players that have decent size (but with skill) such as Dubinsky and/or Anisimov.
And after Dawes, Prucha, and Callahan, who do we have that is small?
Cherepanov and Korpikoski are not smallish. Cherepanov is over 6 feet tall and will fill out to about 190-200 lbs. Same with Korpikoski. They are about the same size.
I think we need to base our picks on skill and ability, not size. Jessiman was taken because he is big...
we got size in hartford with dupont, byers and gratton. maybe gratton replaces hollweg. why else would the rangers take gratton in the montoya deal??
I think both LA and PHX are primed to try to move - sounds like PHX likes Colborne and might try to move up to get him by packaging a bunch of 2nd rounders.
So what would you take for the 1(20) from LA or Pheonix......
\would 2 #2's do it, or would you ask for a #1 next season?
I personally was hoping to move up to 15, Nashville and draft either Tedenby, Beach if he falls or Teubert who I love. I believe a package of Prucha, Bourret ,our #2 in'8, #3 in '09 and Carolina #3 in '08 would do it. Allowing us to then deal our #1 (20) to either move down and get multiple picks this season or a 1 next season.
I think both LA and PHX are primed to try to move - sounds like PHX likes Colborne and might try to move up to get him by packaging a bunch of 2nd rounders.
So what would you take for the 1(20) from LA or Pheonix......
\would 2 #2's do it, or would you ask for a #1 next season?
I personally was hoping to move up to 15, Nashville and draft either Tedenby, Beach if he falls or Teubert who I love. I believe a package of Prucha, Bourret ,our #2 in'8, #3 in '09 and Carolina #3 in '08 would do it. Allowing us to then deal our #1 (20) to either move down and get multiple picks this season or a 1 next season.
Since we don't have a 4th (?) round pick, I'd take 2 #2s this year.
So Prospect Park did part one of his two part Mock Draft. He has some interesting perspectives on the whys, but you need to go to his site to read that. Here's 1-15:
So Prospect Park did part one of his two part Mock Draft. He has some interesting perspectives on the whys, but you need to go to his site to read that. Here's 1-15:
TB: Stamkos
LA: Bogosian
Atl: Filatov
STL: Doughty
NYI: Wilson
CLB: Pietrangelo
TOR: Schenn
PHX: Teubert
NAS: Meyers
VAN: Boedker
CHI: Sbisa
ANA: Hodgson
BUF: Boychuk
CAR: Carlson
NAS: Beach
Not seeing the IceHoles pass up a potential #1 D-man in Pietrangelo. Don't see Teubert going that high. Don't see Boedker getting past Toronto. Don't see Carolina taking a D-man.
What can people tell me about Jokinen? He looks like a potential choice at our number two, whats the report?
Goalscoring RW. Good hockey sense, eye-hand coordination is impressive. Needs to add weight to his lanky 6'2 frame, cause even though he isnt afraid to go to the net, he goes down easy. Reminds me a bit of last years Habs 1st rounder Max Pacioretty, but Jokinen hasn't filled out that frame yet.
Goalscoring RW. Good hockey sense, eye-hand coordination is impressive. Needs to add weight to his lanky 6'2 frame, cause even though he isnt afraid to go to the net, he goes down easy. Reminds me a bit of last years Habs 1st rounder Max Pacioretty, but Jokinen hasn't filled out that frame yet.
Is he a player we could draft and be happy with taking him?
I'm not really sure how a mock draft can be "wrong", but Jess is a guy who spends a lot of time looking at prospects (more than most of us, at any rate). I like his take, mostly because he's trying to imagine he various sub-plots that always come with the draft.
Question for the group: IF Wilson is at #20, do we take him? There's a lot to like, there. He could be this year's Jordan Staal, although we certainly don't need another center right now. Personally, I'm still looking at a dman at #20.
Problem is we have 3 guys who do what Bailey does on offense - Dubinsky, Gomez, Drury.
But he is a good player, I can see him going no later than 15 or so.
True, but, Drury has four years left on his deal, and Bailey might not be ready until the deal is up. Plus, nothing wrong with collecting valuable assets.
Goalscoring RW. Good hockey sense, eye-hand coordination is impressive. Needs to add weight to his lanky 6'2 frame, cause even though he isnt afraid to go to the net, he goes down easy. Reminds me a bit of last years Habs 1st rounder Max Pacioretty, but Jokinen hasn't filled out that frame yet.
Does he last to round three, or is he a definite 2nd round pick?
I'm not really sure how a mock draft can be "wrong", but Jess is a guy who spends a lot of time looking at prospects (more than most of us, at any rate). I like his take, mostly because he's trying to imagine he various sub-plots that always come with the draft.
Question for the group: IF Wilson is at #20, do we take him? There's a lot to like, there. He could be this year's Jordan Staal, although we certainly don't need another center right now. Personally, I'm still looking at a dman at #20.
Jess's mock - Just can't see the Thrash passing on a top Dmen when its their primary need. Teubert at #8? Buffalo and Boychuk doesnt fit. Sbisa is a good sleeper at the Chicago spot though.
There are various sub plots at the draft but this looks like he's trying to go out of his way to come up with possible scenarios rather than what everyone is assuming to be the top 10 or so.
i think a more likely scenario for phx would be to trade down to 20 rather than trade up to 20(with their (i think) 3 2nd rounders).
They apparently love colbourne and i think they'd rather have one 1st and three 2nds and get a player back in a trade, than 2 firsts but no 2nds or 3rds while maybe giving up players
I think trading our 1st and dawes would be a fair trade to get phx's pick
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Does he last to round three, or is he a definite 2nd round pick?
Late 2nd or 3rd rounder depending on who likes him. If he had some muscle he'd be in the top of round 2.
As far as Bailey goes, you're right, take the BPA. If he hits the NHL by the time Drury and Gomez are gone then you have Centers 1A & 1B with Bailey & Dubinsky. But 4 years down the road is a longtime from now
i think a more likely scenario for phx would be to trade down to 20 rather than trade up to 20(with their (i think) 3 2nd rounders).
They apparently love colbourne and i think they'd rather have one 1st and three 2nds and get a player back in a trade, than 2 firsts but no 2nds or 3rds while maybe giving up players
I think trading our 1st and dawes would be a fair trade to get phx's pick
The problem is, there is a drop-off after 7 - Stamkos, Filatov, the top 4 D-men and Boedker are generally considered the top tier. So unless someone falls out of that group, I'm not sure it's worth trading up. If someone does drop, I'm not sure if PHX would want to trade out of #8.
Jess's mock - Just can't see the Thrash passing on a top Dmen when its their primary need. Teubert at #8? Buffalo and Boychuk doesnt fit. Sbisa is a good sleeper at the Chicago spot though.
There are various sub plots at the draft but this looks like he's trying to go out of his way to come up with possible scenarios rather than what everyone is assuming to be the top 10 or so.
Colin Wilson at #20? Not happening.
I'd do flips and cartwheels if Wilson lasts to #20 and the Rangers pick him up. With that said, there is a better chance of Kasparaitus coming back to play with the Rangers next season than of the Rangers drafting Wilson at 20 overall.
