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OT: Some tidbits on MAB, Wheeler and Demitra

http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/wil...d-in-the-wild/

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I'm really having trouble understanding Wheeler's decision now if he's not interested in the hometown thing.

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I'm really having trouble understanding Wheeler's decision now if he's not interested in the hometown thing.
Yeah, me too. What the hell does the kid want?

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Yeah, me too. What the hell does the kid want?
It's not money, it's not home sickness, it's not leverage.

It's not playing time, because he would have had lots in Phoenix. It might be the system, but Phoenix plays under offensive-minded Gretzky.

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This is worse than what Eric Lindros did. They get a second rounder for the kid that doesnt want to play for the team that drafted him. Booooo. The hockey gods are now watching this kid as they were Lindros. Short Career possibly

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This is worse than what Eric Lindros did. They get a second rounder for the kid that doesnt want to play for the team that drafted him. Booooo. The hockey gods are now watching this kid as they were Lindros. Short Career possibly
I think I'm hoping so. What a doofus.

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He probably wants to go Detroit something. A team that'll win right away. Anyway, it's a ********* move. Respect the draft process.

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He believes Bergeron will be a guy who can play regular minutes, not just a bunch of power-play minutes.
Ha...haha...sigh.

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He probably wants to go to Detroit or something. Win now, kinda thing. It's still a ********* move. There's a reason these kids aren't allowed to just sign with any team.

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So if he was signed by the Oilers would you guys still be dissing him?

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So if he was signed by the Oilers would you guys still be dissing him?
Of course not...that's just not what's done around here.

If the Oilers signed Matt Cooke he'd be a fan favourite in mere minutes.

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Of course not...that's just not what's done around here.

If the Oilers signed Matt Cooke he'd be a fan favourite in mere minutes.
Yeah I just felt like saying it.

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So if he was signed by the Oilers would you guys still be dissing him?
I'm not really dissing him so much as trying to understanding the reasoning behind his decision.

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I'm not really dissing him so much as trying to understanding the reasoning behind his decision.
Right sorry it’s just the overall reaction around the boards to the situation that's getting to me.


Now I certainly don't pretented to know but I would imagine that he’s probably tired of having his career controlled so tightly. I mean yes that’s how you become a pro, but It’s really a lot to put on all these young guys.

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Bergeron has a club option for next year at $1.653 million. The Ducks almost certainly wouldn’t have exercised that. So why didn’t the Wild wait for free agency? Risebrough says other teams were interested in Bergeron, and Brian Burke was definitely going to trade him. In other words, he wouldn’t make free agency, according to Risebrough.
Huh?

I thought option years were verboten in the "new" CBA...

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He probably wants to go Detroit something. A team that'll win right away. Anyway, it's a ********* move. Respect the draft process.
Respect the draft.......gimme a break. How would you like it if someone told you where you would go to school? - who you could work for? - where you would live? It's his career and if he follows the rules then more power to him for taking charge of his own life.

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Huh?

I thought option years were verboten in the "new" CBA...
They are. The contract he signed with the Oilers was in the old CBA.

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Huh?

I thought option years were verboten in the "new" CBA...
The option was part of his old contract, which I believe is still effective.

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Respect the draft.......gimme a break. How would you like it if someone told you where you would go to school? - who you could work for? - where you would live? It's his career and if he follows the rules then more power to him for taking charge of his own life.
Just be glad no one's taken it to this extent in North America.

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They are. The contract he signed with the Oilers was in the old CBA.
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The option was part of his old contract, which I believe is still effective.
Ah... that would explain it.

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Just be glad no one's taken it to this extent in North America.
Someone will eventually because the draft is clearly a restriction of personal freedom to negotiate a contract and choose an employer. All the other restrictions of player movement are agreed to by the players through their union and the CBA - but undrafted players are not part of the union and their freedom to negotiate an employment contract is clearly limited. I thought Crosby may be the one to challenge......but it will likely be a very talented NCAA player who busts it up one day. Just a matter of time really.

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Someone will eventually because the draft is clearly a restriction of personal freedom to negotiate a contract and choose an employer. All the other restrictions of player movement are agreed to by the players through their union and the CBA - but undrafted players are not part of the union and their freedom to negotiate an employment contract is clearly limited. I thought Crosby may be the one to challenge......but it will likely be a very talented NCAA player who busts it up one day. Just a matter of time really.
Yep. The courts will almost always decide in the individuals favour unless there are compelling reason to do otherwise.

In this case, even the CBA says he's free to choose.

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Someone will eventually because the draft is clearly a restriction of personal freedom to negotiate a contract and choose an employer. All the other restrictions of player movement are agreed to by the players through their union and the CBA - but undrafted players are not part of the union and their freedom to negotiate an employment contract is clearly limited. I thought Crosby may be the one to challenge......but it will likely be a very talented NCAA player who busts it up one day. Just a matter of time really.
It isn't black and white, the thing is the NHL is the employer not a team. It is like a guy working for a company that says you have to work in a certian place, like the RCMP, it is no differnt.

I dont' see a problem ever arising.

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It isn't black and white, the thing is the NHL is the employer not a team. It is like a guy working for a company that says you have to work in a certian place, like the RCMP, it is no differnt.

I dont' see a problem ever arising.
The NHL is effectively a monopoly that restricts the ability of young players to negotiate with potential employers. They get one and only one choice - the team that drafts them. This crap would be litigated in any other field of business in 3 seconds but we treat pro sports differently - and hockey get particularly soft anti-competition treatment in Canada.

Like I said - restriction of movement is allowed under the CBA which is negotiated by the NHLPA that represents current players under contract. The CBA does not cover players getting drafted as they have no input or representation into the the CBA negotiations. The NHL is therefore open to litigation by these individuals - but you would be blackballed instantly if you tried so nobody takes them on. You would have to be super-talented to risk taking on the system because even if you win it will likely cost you in some tangible way.

Basic question - how would you feel if you were a highly trained software engineer and the IT companies decided to team up and divide the best graduates among themselves each year. The only company who would negotiate with you is the one who "drafted" you and no other company would speak to you. That would get litigated in less than zero time - and no hockey is not any different than any other business with regard to anti-competitive practices.

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