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Pens' 2009-10 Salary Cap/Lineup Discussion (UPDATED: June 26)

2009 OFFSEASON (UPDATED JUNE 29... can't change the thread title any more for some reason)

All figures are cap numbers, not salaries, and are taken directly from Irish Blues’ excellent and incredibly thorough site www.nhlscap.com.

Official 2009-2010 salary ceiling: $56.8 million
ESTIMATED CAP SPACE: $5,581,667


PITTSBURGH PENGUINS
Forward ............
Pos.
Age
2009-10
2010-11
2011-12
Sidney Crosby
C
21
8,700,000
8,700,000
8,700,000
Evgeni Malkin
C
22
8,700,000
8,700,000
8,700,000
Jordan Staal
C
20
4,000,000
4,000,000
4,000,000
Chris Kunitz
LW
29
3,725,000
3,725,000
3,725,000
Bill Guerin
RW
38
2,000,000
UFA
 
Pascal Dupuis
LW
30
1,400,000
1,400,000
UFA
Matt Cooke
LW
30
1,200,000
UFA
 
Maxime Talbot
C/W
25
1,050,000
1,050,000
UFA
Eric Godard
RW
29
750,000
750,000
UFA
Tyler Kennedy
RW
22
725,000
725,000
RFA
Craig Adams
RW
32
555,000
550,000
UFA
Defense ............
Pos.
Age
2009-10
2010-11
2011-12
Sergei Gonchar
D
35
5,000,000
UFA
 
Brooks Orpik
D
28
3,750,000
3,750,000
3,750,000
Mark Eaton
D
32
2,000,000
UFA
 
Alex Goligoski
D
23
1,833,333
1,833,333
1,833,333
Kris Letang
D
22
835,000
RFA
 
Goalie
Pos.
Age
2009-10
2010-11
2011-12
Marc-Andre Fleury
G
24
5,000,000
5,000,000
5,000,000
TOTALS.....................................
2009-10
2010-11
2011-12
CAP HIT
51,218,333
40,183,333
35,708,333



WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS
Forward
Pos.
Age
2009-10
2010-11
2011-12
Eric Tangradi
LW
20
875,000
875,000
RFA
Keven Veilleux
C
19
875,000
875,000
RFA
Luca Caputi
LW
20
833,333
833,333
RFA
Casey Pierro-Zabotel
LW
20
TBA
TBA
TBA
Nick Johnson
RW
23
592,500
RFA
 
Joey Haddad
LW
20
513,333
513,333
RFA
Dustin Jeffrey
C
21
509,444
509,444
RFA
Paul Bissonnette
LW
24
500,000
RFA
 
Mark Letestu
C
24
500,000
500,000
RFA
Aaron Boogaard
RW
22
493,333
RFA
 
Joe Vitale
C
23
TBA
RFA
 
Defense................
Pos.
Age
2009-10
2010-11
2011-12
Alex Grant
D
20
800,000
800,000
800,000
Brian Strait
D
21
TBA
TBA
TBA
Robert Bortuzzo
D
20
TBA
TBA
TBA
Jon D'Aversa
D
23
525,000
RFA
 
Deryk Engelland
D
27
492,500
UFA
 
Goalie...................
Pos.
Age
2009-10
2010-11
2011-12
Brad Thiessen
G
23
TBA
TBA
RFA



UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS
Player
Pos.
Age
2008-09
News and notes
Bill Guerin
RW
38
4,500,000
Re-signed with Pittsburgh (1yr/$2mil)
Miroslav Satan
RW
34
3,500,000
Rumored offer from KHL
Petr Sykora
RW
32
2,500,000
"Better ... that I go to another NHL team."
Philippe Boucher
D
36
2,500,000
Would take a bargain for him to return
Ruslan Fedotenko
LW
30
2,250,000
Will likely test free agency
Hal Gill
D
34
2,075,000
Plan B after Scuderi?
Mathieu Garon
G
31
1,100,000
Enjoy the ring, you lucky dog
Janne Pesonen
LW
27
875,000
Penguins are his "No. 1 option"
Andy Wozniewski
D
29
775,000
Laughably had a better deal than...
Rob Scuderi
D
30
712,500
...The Piece. "Pay that man his money."
Mike Zigomanis
C
28
650,000
May be headed out with Adams back
David Brown
G
24
637,500
No qualifying offer, probably outta here
Craig Adams
RW
32
600,000
Re-signed with Pittsburgh (2yr/$550k per)
Jeff Taffe
C/W
28
550,000
Likes playing for Bylsma/Reirden
Bill Thomas
C/W
25
525,000
Group VI UFA
Chris Minard
W/C
27
500,000
May get a better shot elsewhere
Connor James
W
26
500,000
Ended season as WBS captain
Dave Gove
C
31
500,000
Lifetime AHLer
Adam Henrich
LW
25
475,000
Group VI UFA
Joey Mormina
D
26
475,000
Meh.



RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS
Player................
Pos.
Age
2008-09
News and notes
Alex Goligoski
D
23
984,200
Re-signed with Pittsburgh (3yr/$1.83mil per)
Ben Lovejoy
D
25
875,000
Received qualifying offer
John Curry
G
25
500,000
Qualifying offer, looking more like Fleury's backup
Tim Wallace
RW
24
480,000
Received qualifying offer



UNSIGNED PROSPECTS
Player
Pos.
Age
Last Team (League)
Sergei Anshakov
F
25
Nizhnekamsk (KHL)
Andy Bathgate
F
18
Belleville (OHL)
Tim Crowder
F
22
Michigan State (NCAA)
Nick D'Agostino
D
18
St. Michael's (OPJHL)
Simon Despres
D
17
Saint John (QMJHL)
Patrick Ehelechner
G
24
Nürnberg (DEL)
Viktor Ekbom
D
20
Oskarshamn (SWE-2)
Michael Gergen
F
22
Minnesota-Duluth (NCAA)
Brian Gifford
F
23
Denver (NCAA)
Ben Hanowski
F
18
Little Falls (USHS)
Patrick Killeen
G
19
Brampton (OHL)
Nathan Moon
F
19
Kingston (OHL)
Alexander Pechurski
G
19
Magnitogorsk (KHL)
Chris Peluso
D
22
Bemidji State (NCAA)
Nick Petersen
F
20
Shawinigan (QMJHL)
Johannes Salmonsson
F
23
Rögle (SEL)
Philip Samuelsson
D
17
Chicago (USHL)
Timo Seppänen
D
21
KalPa (SML)
Carl Sneep
D
21
Boston College (NCAA)
Alex Velischek
D
18
Delbarton (USHS)


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Great work, Shure. I'd like to be the first to suggest a sticky on this, considering the topic gets more than its fair share of discussion from those outside of our fan base.

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Good job compiling all this information into a single post. The cap will probably be closer to 55M than 56.3M, but the difference will hopefully be offset by the fact that Staal isn't likely to hit all his performance bonuses next season.

Speaking of which, it'd be interesting to find out how much Malkin and Staal actually earned in performance bonuses this past season. I assume Malkin hit the vast majority of his bonuses, but Staal probably earned less this year compared to his rookie season.

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seems like fleury's salary is going to be a pretty big wildcard for this coming season. i'd be surprised if they actually reach arbitration before getting a long-term extension worked out. but that possibility means there's a considerably wide range of salaries that he could be making in the fall.

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I can see Staal really coming into his own next season, like 25g 35a.

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I can see Staal really coming into his own next season, like 25g 35a.
i think staal's offesnive numbers would skyrocket if he was played on malkin's wing, but his numbers will improve even if he is still the third line center as he will likely get alot of time on the top powerplay.

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I can see Staal really coming into his own next season, like 25g 35a.
Then he says ''I want 5 mil a year!!11''

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With what we go and who we will sign with no new UFA

Dupuis (~1.3) - Crosby (8.7) - Hossa (~7.1)
Talbot (.675) - Malkin (3.8) - Sykora (2.5)
Ruutu (~1.5) - Staal (2.2) - Kennedy (.541)
Taffe (~.65) - Stone (~.95) - Filewich (~.75)

Gonchar (5) - Orpik (~3.5)
Whitney (4) - Scuderi (.71)
Gill (2.075) - Letange (.835)
*Sydor (2.5)

Fleury (~4.5)
Sabourin (.512)

08-09 season
~51.898 million in cap
*~54.398 million in cap

09-10 season
players assumed to be loss
Sykora (2.5)
Gill (2.075)
Sydor (2.5)

7.075 gain in cap room

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Dupuis (~1.3) - Crosby (8.7) - Hossa (~7.1)
Talbot (.675) - Malkin (3.8) - Sykora (2.5)
Ruutu (~1.5) - Staal (2.2) - Kennedy (.541)
Taffe (~.65) - Stone (~.95) - Filewich (~.75)
Has anybody thought of taffe as malone's replacement on malkin and sykora's line, he got some playing time with them during the regular season when crosby and hossa went down if i'm not mistaken and didn't look too bad. He's a big body with a decent touch, albeit not too physical. Feel free to flame away if you disagree.

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looks like the franchise has already suffered its first staggering loss... off to germany for nasreddine.

http://www.sport1.de/de/apps/news/ne...s_2270260.html

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I think Staal needs to be moved to Malkin's wing. That just clears up one more spot we need to fill in free agency, and Talbot has proven to be an excellent 3rd line center. Not to mention, Staal is the closest thing to Malone this team has, i think only with softer hands, and better skating ability.

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Check out this:
http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.p...IT&season=0809

The best overview I have seen

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I think Staal needs to be moved to Malkin's wing. That just clears up one more spot we need to fill in free agency, and Talbot has proven to be an excellent 3rd line center. Not to mention, Staal is the closest thing to Malone this team has, i think only with softer hands, and better skating ability.
No offense, but this is one of those arguments that never seems to go away. Staal is a natural C, and plays his best hockey at that position. The last half of this year he really started to develop a comfort level anchoring the 3rd line and that's where he should stay. The production increase should come from more TOI and moving better players onto Staal's wing, not moving Staal himself to wing to replace Taters. The third line won't seem like a third line at all then, if he's worried about that to begin with (have my doubts - for a 19 year old I'm pretty sure he's happy to be in the situation he's in).

I'd rather see us pick up someone with decent speed and hands who can park himself in front of the net rather than disrupt (again) Staal's development by playing him where he doesn't belong. Staal will get his points when he's got Talbot and maybe someone other than Kennedy on his wing. Maybe someone will get the call-up this fall from WBS and stake their claim or maybe we'll sign another Sykora type to play there.

But moving Staal to LW again would be a big mistake IMO.

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Check out this:
http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.p...IT&season=0809

The best overview I have seen
i'm partial to irish blues' site, but obviously nhlnumbers is very well run, too. what it does show is how there's always going to be a margin of error for fans trying to keep track of things like this, as the two sites have slight differences on cap hits for different players, which adds up after awhile. so it points out that the bottom line number of "cap space" remaining has to be taken with a pretty big grain of salt.

at the least, it represents a reasonable estimate that helps keep things in perspective as guys do sign on. hopefully we'll have hossa's name added up onto that top chart before july rolls around...

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No offense, but this is one of those arguments that never seems to go away. Staal is a natural C, and plays his best hockey at that position. The last half of this year he really started to develop a comfort level anchoring the 3rd line and that's where he should stay. The production increase should come from more TOI and moving better players onto Staal's wing, not moving Staal himself to wing to replace Taters. The third line won't seem like a third line at all then, if he's worried about that to begin with (have my doubts - for a 19 year old I'm pretty sure he's happy to be in the situation he's in).

I'd rather see us pick up someone with decent speed and hands who can park himself in front of the net rather than disrupt (again) Staal's development by playing him where he doesn't belong. Staal will get his points when he's got Talbot and maybe someone other than Kennedy on his wing. Maybe someone will get the call-up this fall from WBS and stake their claim or maybe we'll sign another Sykora type to play there.

But moving Staal to LW again would be a big mistake IMO.
A claim can be made for both arguments. I have always been a proponent of him moving to the wing due to his size, skill, and reach. People can talk about him being needed as a 3rd line shutdown center, but Marian Hossa this year has proven you can be a difference making defensive guy from the wing.

I only say this because I believe we can only handcuff Staal for so long, making him play with guys that aren't up to his skill level. Though if Dupuis is resigned, a 3rd line of Dupuis-Staal-Kennedy has as much scoring potential as any 3rd line in the league, those 2 guy still aren't on Staal's level as far as offensive potential goes. He scored 29 goals as an 18 year old. He is a natural center, but he sure took to the wing extremely well. I think it's worth another shot.

Having an offensive productive Jordan Staal would pay more dividends to this team, than the shutdown center Jordan Staal IMO.

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caputi, johnson, veilleux numbers added. luca fanatics can now start planning for him take malone's second line spot.

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What about bringing Gary Roberts back to play on Malkin's line?

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What about bringing Gary Roberts back to play on Malkin's line?
No Gary is a fan fav but third or fourth liner at this point in his career. I don't think he can play a full season anymore and if you lose malone you need someone on the second line that is going to play 25 minutes a night and mesh with malkin and sykora

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Has anybody thought of taffe as malone's replacement on malkin and sykora's line, he got some playing time with them during the regular season when crosby and hossa went down if i'm not mistaken and didn't look too bad. He's a big body with a decent touch, albeit not too physical. Feel free to flame away if you disagree.
I remember that too, he did decently at least. If he'll stick around for cheap we could at least give it a try, if nothing else he'll still be a good cheap 4th liner and reserve guy so we lose nothing by retaining him.

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i think staal's offesnive numbers would skyrocket if he was played on malkin's wing, but his numbers will improve even if he is still the third line center as he will likely get alot of time on the top powerplay.
They won't improve so dramatically as third line center IF he's flanked by guys like Ruutu and Kennedy again. Frankly, I see two ways that Shero can approach this:

Start with the 34M cap number. Figure that you get Hossa, Orpik, and Fleury signed for a combined 15M (it's not impossible if they accept their respective offers). That takes you to 49M. Then, buyout Sydor and resign Eaton for the minimum. That saves you a million a year and gives you the same defense as last season with Gogo in WBS as your #8. And, you're at 48M with the following spots to fill: Two scoring line forwards and four third/fourth line positions.

Option 1: Stack your top two lines. Resign Dupuis for 1M and run a third line of Dupuis-Talbot-Kennedy. Resign Hall. Say you pick up Fristche in the speculated deal. And, then add guys like Taffe and Minard. Even if you upgrade with Laraque, it's a total budget commitment of 3.5M, meaning that you're at 51.5M with a LW for Sid to sign. You could have anywhere from 2M to 4M to play with depending upon the cap.

Option 2: Try to keep the lines balanced. Again, you're at 48M. Sign Dupuis for 1M to play with Sid and Hossa. Maybe sign a Straka type for 2M to play with Malkin and Sykora. You'd add Fristche again for Staal's LW. Maybe you go after Blake Wheeler. Resign Hall and give a reserve spot to a minimum wage guy. That's another 3.5M which puts you at 54.5M.

I have no clue what Therrien will do, but there is a problem with Staal. I can't see his continued play as a third line center with guys like Kennedy exciting him, and I don't know if he's open to playing LW for the Pens over the long run.

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Caputi can move up after Sykie is gone.
I don't see Sykora going anywhere if Malkin resigns for around 8M. I suspect that one of the reasons that he might be willing to do it is to be sure that the money is there for another 4-5 years to pay Sykora 2.5M per season. After all, if Sid took less so that the Pens could be in position to add a Hossa type, is it so unreasonable for Malkin, if he gives up money, to expect the team to keep Sykora?

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Any idea on Lovejoy's contract situation?

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Then, buyout Sydor and resign Eaton for the minimum. That saves you a million a year and gives you the same defense as last season with Gogo in WBS as your #8.
We cannot, I repeat cannot, buy out Sydor to save capspace for the next season. He applies to the over 35 years rule, and his salary will count against the cap even if we buy him out, send him to the minors or even if he retires. Our only way to get rid of his salary is to trade him to another team (and then Sydor would have to waive his NTC).

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Any idea on Lovejoy's contract situation?
he was on an AHL-only contract last year, but chuck fletcher said this week that the pens have offered both him and kurtis mclean standard NHL two-way deals. so we should hear something on both of them in the near future i would think.

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Two players who the organization wants back are unrestricted free agents Kurtis McLean and Ben Lovejoy. Fletcher said both were offered two-way NHL contracts, and now the ball is in their court.

Lovejoy said he wants to return to the organization and his agent is talking with Pittsburgh.

For McLean, the choice may not be as easy. There has been interest from several teams in Europe in addition to Pittsburgh’s offer.

McLean said his first choice is to return to the organization, but finances will be part of the decision.

“If the offer was good enough, I’d love to come back here,” he said. “I don’t want to give up on the NHL yet and head to Europe.”
there's stuff on the rest of the WBS guys and some quotes from fletcher about the plan for some of them this summer.

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