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06-15-2008, 03:32 PM
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What's the source on this, that he's "looking for an offer sheet" ?
That's being reported by the Washington press, including the Caps beat reporter for the Washington Post (link).

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Why does he want to leave, simply because the Caps won't give him enough money?
He hasn't said he wants to leave. There are some less reliable press sources like Larry Brooks of the NYPost which claim the Caps are low-balling him. Green grew up in a low income family, so money is important to him.

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I didn't even realize that....

Eitherway the Caps wouldnt' let him go right? I'm all for signing Restricted Free Agents Green is not worth 4 first round picks..
There's no need for four 1st round picks.

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Amount Compensation Due in 2008
$863,156 or less None
$863,156 - $1,307,811 3rd round pick
$1,307,881 - $2,615,623 2nd round pick
$2,615,623 - $3,923,434 1st and 3rd round pick
$3,923,434 - $5,231,246 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
$5,231,246 - $6,539,061 Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick
$6,539,061 or more Four 1st round picks

These numbers based on the 11.6% increase in average salary recently reported by TSN.
I expect the Caps to match anything up to $5.2m, so you would probably need to give up two 1sts to get him.

When looking at Green's stats, keep in mind that he didn't receive first line minutes until Bruce Boudreau took over in late November. Before Boudreau, Green was playing about 17 min / game in a defense-oriented system. The last 3/4 of the season, Green played >26:00 per game in a more "wide open" offense.

Phaneuf vs Green - 2007-2008 LAST 60 GAMES
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             Goals   Assists    Points    +/-    PPG   PPA   GWG    Ice time

Phaneuf     13       35         48        8        8     18      4       >26:00
Green        15       34         49       14       7     14      4       >26:00
Green did outplay JBo in the world championships. He led all defenseman in scoring with 4 goals and 8 assists in 9 games, with better +/- than JBo. Full WC stats here; Team Canada stats here.

That said, I still expect more teams to make a play for JBo.


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06-15-2008, 03:33 PM
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i would throw 6 mil at Jbou easily not green, for green a 1st,2nd, and 3rd but not 2 1st, 2nd and a 3rd. Weber Im a little half and half about

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I'd rather trade the picks simply because you know you would be getting a #1 defenseman for the next 5 years if you signed Green. You don't know if anything will come from the draft picks..

I'd bet almost anything Green is taken to arbitration to avoid a lurking offer sheet.....
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No player, NONE is worth 4 first round draft picks.

I'd throw an offer of 5,231,245 at him, but nothing more.

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06-15-2008, 03:51 PM
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It's expected for him to be low-balled, he was projected to be a Girardi-type, so last season was totally out of left field. And in some ways, it's similar to Penner in '06. You can't give a young forward 4M+ for one good season (unless he had a Crosby or Ovechkin impact), and you couldn't rationalize giving a 21-year-old d-man more than like 3.5M per over 2-3 years.

With that said, I think they'll go to arbitration. The Caps won't drop the ball unless someone offers like 60-70M/10 yrs.

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With that said, I think they'll go to arbitration. The Caps won't drop the ball unless someone offers like 60-70M/10 yrs.
Green doesn't qualify for arbitration. The Caps probably wish that he did.

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It's expected for him to be low-balled, he was projected to be a Girardi-type, so last season was totally out of left field. It's similar to Vanek last season and Penner in '06. You can't give a young forward 5+M (unless he had a Crosby or Ovechkin impact), and you couldn't rationalize giving a 21-year-old d-man more than like 3.5M per over 2-3 years.

With that said, I think they'll go to arbitration. The Caps won't drop the ball unless someone offers like 60-70M/10 yrs.
Once again, not eligible.

And Green's going to get paid, not just because of his sudden production, but because of the way he plays the game. He's one of the best skaters on the Caps, he's one of the most effective puck-rushing defensemen I've seen, he's got a good slapshot and a good/great wrister, and he can hit. His sudden jump in production wasn't so much out of left field as it was him being coached by Boudreau (again), as it's pretty consistent with his dominance in Hershey. Hopefully the rest of the league isn't willing to risk 5+ mil on him, but it's not much of a stretch to expect him to prove himself worth that much within the next few seasons.

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Oooh... then yeah, they'll have to match a steep price. I wouldn't do more than $5M, and that would be with great trepidation.

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Well its his agents job to get him the best deal. The scuttle was that his agent said he "expected" to get offer sheets if he was not already re-signed.

In other words make us a sweet offer or we'll be open to seeing what other GMs feel he's worth.

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Once again, not eligible.

And Green's going to get paid, not just because of his sudden production, but because of the way he plays the game. He's one of the best skaters on the Caps, he's one of the most effective puck-rushing defensemen I've seen, he's got a good slapshot and a good/great wrister, and he can hit. His sudden jump in production wasn't so much out of left field as it was him being coached by Boudreau (again), as it's pretty consistent with his dominance in Hershey. Hopefully the rest of the league isn't willing to risk 5+ mil on him, but it's not much of a stretch to expect him to prove himself worth that much within the next few seasons.
Sorry, didn't see your other posts. I don't doubt he'll be worth 7M in a few years, but at 21, it's A BIG risk. Name me more than 3 NHLers over 20 that are worth that $$...

If he continues at this pace, he'll overtake Phaneuf for 3rd or 4th best D-man in th NHL. And I just can't see how coaching makes you a monster from one season to the next (not at 21).

I would bank that he will have a significant drop-off next season. No young D-man tears it up from day one.

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Well its his agents job to get him the best deal. The scuttle was that his agent said he "expected" to get offer sheets if he was not already re-signed.

In other words make us a sweet offer or we'll be open to seeing what other GMs feel he's worth.
Right, and this 22-year-old GM with decades of experience says 5M max.

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Sorry, didn't see your other posts. I don't doubt he'll be worth 7M in a few years, but at 21, it's A BIG risk. Name me more than 3 NHLers over 20 that are worth that $$...

If he continues at this pace, he'll overtake Phaneuf for 3rd or 4th best D-man in th NHL. And I just can't see how coaching makes you a monster from one season to the next (not at 21).

I would bank that he will have a significant drop-off next season. No young D-man tears it up from day one.
Hanlon's system and Boudreau's system are basically polar opposites. Boudreau gave Green a lot of leeway (and a lot of playing time) to open up his offensive game, and that's when Green picked up his goal scoring and became one of the Caps' most effective offensive weapons. It was the same way in Hershey, but he was never able to do that under Hanlon (who, much of the time, played the trap). That's the only reason I say his explosion isn't so much out of nowhere, it's easy enough to see from watching both systems why Green would be so much more effective under Boudreau than he was under Hanlon.

I can see his shooting pct. going down next season, maybe, because that just happens to lots of guys (and it seems to happen to the Caps especially), but there are facets of his game (most especially his skating, puck-rushing breakouts) that can't just disappear if he stays healthy and in shape, so his effectiveness shouldn't drop off.

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5.2 million is the most i'd give him as well.

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No player, NONE is worth 4 first round draft picks.

I'd throw an offer of 5,231,245 at him, but nothing more.
honestly? you wouldn't give up four first round picks for Ovechkin?

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honestly? you wouldn't give up four first round picks for Ovechkin?
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And to think, 2003 worked out so well for us.

Sorry I couldn't resist, but I maintain that Green is at least worth the 1-2-3 comp. Anything more and I'd probably keep the picks.
Any other year i say yes. No way is it with next years draft being so deep.

Jay Bouwmeester is the ONLY person I would consider giving an offer sheet, and possibly weber.

Green Idk why I have a feeling will fade. No basis to this, just a feeling.

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Unfortunately the Predators are in excellent shape cap-wise. I think they will reason all of Suter, Weber and Klein, unless someone offers like 8-9M per, which wouldn't and shouldn't happen. Either we trade for rights, or they're staying down south for a good long time.

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Looking into it more, we are not in realistic contention for any young RFA d-man. It's just not going to happen, and barring trades, they will all extend, mark my words.

Our best option is either with TOR or EDM. Both are in selling mode as far as D goes. Kubina, McCabe, Souray, Pitkanen, take your pick. We could even make a pitch for guys like Visnovsky or Whitney (wouldn't be bad next to Staal) if we're willing to spend big.

Otherwise, go with Stuart/Orpik/Smith and Streit or Liles.

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I have to believe that all this speculation about Green taking offer sheets is just a clever plan to put the pressure on the Caps to make them pay up. The Caps are going to re-sign him. They're just pretending right now that they're not going to be pushed around by this kid.

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the way we tend to draft in the 1st round, i'd like to make a play for weber.

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I can't see the Rangers making a move for Green. With Sanguinetti projecting to be of the same mold that green is, I'd imagine if they were to offer-sheet a young d-man, it'd be J-Bo or Weber.

This is probably a lot of posturing by Green and his agent to drive up the price for Washington. The organization is on the upswing, they made it back into the playoffs, they have a fantastic fan-base and some of the best young players in the NHL. I can't see Green moving out of a situation like that. I'd expect the Caps to match anything below the 4 first rounder mark before they even hesitated.

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We have no idea how good Sanguinetti or Del Zotto are going to be...
Exactly and everyone keeps forgetting that.

I would def make a offer for Green.

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Green is an exciting, proven NHL d-man. I like the idea of d-corps of Staal, Sangs, Green, Girardi, Sauer, and Toots in a couple of years time.

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uh, green is pretty weak in his own end. the only thing he's proven is that he has offensive upside.

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