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06-17-2008, 09:06 AM
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He's ugly... i dont want him in Montreal.


wow this photo is legendary...i meant this comparison haha i am also not willing to trade the moon to get this guy just sign MATS INSTEAD !!!

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From what i've read, he seems to be a cancer, in the locker room and at life in general. Martin have been openly talking about trading him for a year or so, wich is disturbing in a way, and nobody have put the money on the table? All his problems with the Florida media putting too much exposure on him... common! picture this lad in Montreal? He would be a Kovalev 2006-2007 edition.

All this story would be a bad memory in two year, and i hope it doesn't happen.

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Take it for what it's worth, but thefourthperiod.com is reporting that the Panthers are looking for a first round pick and either a top six winger or a puck moving d-man.

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/fla080617.html

I would be willing to trade Plecks and our 1st this year for Jokinen, who is very reasonably priced given that he's a two time 38+ goal scorer (with one of the lowest scoring teams in the NHL the last, what, 10 seasons?).

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IMO Jokinen is overrated. Even if he wasn't, I think the Habs are in a better position to hold out for a free agent, given their cap space/willingness to spend/increasingly winning ways.
I am not so sure that we are in that much of a better position to hold out for a top free agent. If you listen to people who are more in the know than we are (and I'm not talking of Vincent Lecavalier, who I believe was talking out of his *ss when he made a similar comment to Francois Gagnon earlier this year) such as Pierre McGuire, the taxes, the schooling situation, and the weather still play a huge role in a free agent's decision. And that's not even to mention the intense media scrutiny in Montreal, which most players (even if they say different) don't want to deal with.

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From what i've read, he seems to be a cancer, in the locker room and at life in general.
Let's remember that during the 2007 season, Kovalev was considered a cancer and last season he was hailed as a consummate professional and teammate. Not all the players in the NHL deal with losing (especially long term losing) with class. It's just human nature.
Add to the fact that it was reported that he agreed to sign in FLA with the promise from Mike Keenan and Jacques Martin that they would get Luongo signed long term as well, and I think any one of us would be bitter, especially after seeing how the team got sc#@ed in that deal.

Just my opinion, but I would welcome Jokinen to our team.
Although I would still prefer Mats Sundin

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Yes to Jokinen anytime. This guy is an impact player who can make players around him better. His attitude problem is overrated, it all depends on the environment and on what team you are on. In Flo, he was asked to lead a young team and the role didn't fit him. But in MTL, he will be playing with Saku, his capitain on the national team.......didn't they play together during the last Olympics?? And who knows, maybe they can use them to lure Teemu too....

But realistically...I doubt that he gets traded to a Eastern Team, especially given that he is highly in demand in the West too.

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He's ugly... i dont want him in Montreal.




i fell off my chair when i saw that pic, lol

Oli is good and probably hungry for some playoffs. However the price to pay for his services (as in proospects) is just too heavy.

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Jokinen is overrated and hes not worth risking your team's future over. He is the face of the franchise and he always dissapears in the last stretch to make the playoffs. The Panthers are tired of him and they know thats its time for a change. People here just like him becuse of his size and e that hes had 2 good years but most of them dont really know his game. Lets just not risk the team's futur over this guy, hes not worth it.
And..you are a Jokinen specialist??..you think you know him better than the next guy does??..How is that?

Its been rumored Martin and Jokinen have had their differences for quite some time now. This isn't new. It has nothing to do with his performances.
Are you gonna say the same for Bouwmeester?..He said he's unhappy with the team's lack of success these past year and isn't sure he wants to resign there.
Jokinen is unhappy, Bouwmeester as well.

Jokinen is a big centerman. He's been playing on a very bad team and if you look back at when he signed his last contract. He said he was gonna resign if Luongo was part of the team's future plans as well. He got screwed there.

Not every player is like Ovechkin. Put Jokinen on a top team and you'll see why he's a beast.

If he was as ''bad'' as you say, he wouldn't have been asked to join team Finland as many times as he has.
Panthers are at a point where we could have been with Koivu before last season. A long run, never leading anywhere really, and it might be time for a change. This doesn't mean the player is bad or the organization is unsatisfied with him.
Sometimes its just time for a new Era.

Jokinen never ''went away'' for the POs stretch. Panthers were never in a serious PO run.

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Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.

We need a jokinen!!!

If he is indeed on the market, I would be willing to pay big time for him.

We need a jokinen!!!

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And..you are a Jokinen specialist??..you think you know him better than the next guy does??..How is that?

Its been rumored Martin and Jokinen have had their differences for quite some time now. This isn't new. It has nothing to do with his performances.
Are you gonna say the same for Bouwmeester?..He said he's unhappy with the team's lack of success these past year and isn't sure he wants to resign there.
Jokinen is unhappy, Bouwmeester as well.

Jokinen is a big centerman. He's been playing on a very bad team and if you look back at when he signed his last contract. He said he was gonna resign if Luongo was part of the team's future plans as well. He got screwed there.

Not every player is like Ovechkin. Put Jokinen on a top team and you'll see why he's a beast.

If he was as ''bad'' as you say, he wouldn't have been asked to join team Finland as many times as he has.
Panthers are at a point where we could have been with Koivu before last season. A long run, never leading anywhere really, and it might be time for a change. This doesn't mean the player is bad or the organization is unsatisfied with him.
Sometimes its just time for a new Era.

Jokinen never ''went away'' for the POs stretch. Panthers were never in a serious PO run.
I see that you dont get my point. The Price to get Jokinen is very high, impact player high like. To me, he is not a an impact player nor a difference maker. Hes like Ribeiro, a point producer who is paid for offense, nothing more, no intangibles. Im not saying that hes bad, im saying that hes overrated and giving 3 young roster players or top prospects for him would be a huge mistake because he is not a top player. If we are to spend or go out of our minds for a player, lets do it for a Sundin or a Lecavalier. Not Jokinen.

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Did'nt Carbonneau said he would'nt touch him with a ten foot pole??

The locker room cancer and all have been mention a long tie ago and I don't think this is what Gainey and co. wants with the team.

The talent, yes I take him, but the rest....

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He’s played on bad teams. Blah, blah, blah.

He’s been in Florida since 00/01 season, that’s 7 seasons. In that time, he’s put up some points but his team has done squat. Well who was on those teams.

In goal, Luongo. Couldn’t have been very good I guess. (Sarcasm)

On D, Bowmeester, Salei, Van Ryn, Bryan Allen. Lyle Odelein has played on that team, Paul Laus, Brett Hedican, Ozolynch. No one too special, but nothing to cry about. Middle of the pack I’d say.

On offense, Stephen Weiss, Nathan Horton, David Booth this pass year.
Pavel and Valeri Bure were once teamates. As were Viktor Kozlov, Rob Niedermayer, Gary Roberts, Joe Niewendyk and Jozef Stumpel. Nothing to sneeze at there.

To me this team has just never added up to the sum of its parts. Every year they get a high draft pick, but they never seem to get better. No one cares so the team stays the same.

This guy was suppose to be the leader of this group but never led them anywhere. And people complain that Saku hasn’t brought us anywhere. This guy, even less. Even if he wears the C, he doesn’t lead. He’s one of those guys that got the C to keep him happy.

To me, he is one of those guys that will cost you dearly to obtain just so you find out that he isn’t as good as advertized once you have him. I just get visions of the Reechi for LeClair, Desjardins and Dionne trade. Not that Reechi was bad mind you. He just was never that 100+ point player for Montreal like they were hoping he’d be while LeClair turned into the goal scorer that Montreal was missing and Desjardins remained the #1 D he always was.

I can’t wait until he’s traded out west so that we can just put this to rest.

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I see that you dont get my point. The Price to get Jokinen is very high, impact player high like. To me, he is not a an impact player nor a difference maker. Hes like Ribeiro, a point producer who is paid for offense, nothing more, no intangibles. Im not saying that hes bad, im saying that hes overrated and giving 3 young roster players or top prospects for him would be a huge mistake because he is not a top player. If we are to spend or go out of our minds for a player, lets do it for a Sundin or a Lecavalier. Not Jokinen.
Don't understand how anyone could say Jokinen is not a difference maker or impact player. He is one of the top centermen in the league. The guy never misses a game, he's a warrior in the offensive zone, has a killer slapshot on the pp and can drop the gloves. We're stocked on young prospects, why wait until they develop when you have a chance to get an established number 1 center to help us win the cup in the next 1-2 years?

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Thanks Ice, this pick made me LMAO.

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Don't understand how anyone could say Jokinen is not a difference maker or impact player. He is one of the top centermen in the league. The guy never misses a game, he's a warrior in the offensive zone, has a killer slapshot on the pp and can drop the gloves. We're stocked on young prospects, why wait until they develop when you have a chance to get an established number 1 center to help us win the cup in the next 1-2 years?
He wouldnt fare long in a pressure cooker like Montreal as a number one center. How many times Florida was right in the thick of things to make the playoffs and all i kept hearing was that Oli dissapeared once again and Florida missed the playoffs. Hes a good player but not an impact player. He is not one of the top centerman in this league and if he was, Florida would keep trying to build up around him but the guy just doesnt make his teammates better.

Like ive said, hes a good player, not an impact one and hes not worth risking your team's future over.

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He’s played on bad teams. Blah, blah, blah.

He’s been in Florida since 00/01 season, that’s 7 seasons. In that time, he’s put up some points but his team has done squat. Well who was on those teams.

In goal, Luongo. Couldn’t have been very good I guess. (Sarcasm)

On D, Bowmeester, Salei, Van Ryn, Bryan Allen. Lyle Odelein has played on that team, Paul Laus, Brett Hedican, Ozolynch. No one too special, but nothing to cry about. Middle of the pack I’d say.

On offense, Stephen Weiss, Nathan Horton, David Booth this pass year.
Pavel and Valeri Bure were once teamates. As were Viktor Kozlov, Rob Niedermayer, Gary Roberts, Joe Niewendyk and Jozef Stumpel. Nothing to sneeze at there.

To me this team has just never added up to the sum of its parts. Every year they get a high draft pick, but they never seem to get better. No one cares so the team stays the same.

This guy was suppose to be the leader of this group but never led them anywhere. And people complain that Saku hasn’t brought us anywhere. This guy, even less. Even if he wears the C, he doesn’t lead. He’s one of those guys that got the C to keep him happy.

To me, he is one of those guys that will cost you dearly to obtain just so you find out that he isn’t as good as advertized once you have him. I just get visions of the Reechi for LeClair, Desjardins and Dionne trade. Not that Reechi was bad mind you. He just was never that 100+ point player for Montreal like they were hoping he’d be while LeClair turned into the goal scorer that Montreal was missing and Desjardins remained the #1 D he always was.

I can’t wait until he’s traded out west so that we can just put this to rest.
Are you serious?..wait wait..you forgot Bertuzzi!
You talk as if all the players you mentioned all played at the same time together and were actually all playing great in Florida..
Why not do the same with the Habs while Koivu has been captain here..
Let's take the MAIN subject here..Jokinen. Some players take time to develop and get comfortable. Just like A.Kost with us.
Olli didn't come into his own until the 02-03 season, but even more so right after the lockout. There was nobody on his team. Currently, they have a bunch of interesting youngsters but thats it.

The Recchi/LeClair-Desjardins trade was ridiculous, im not sure you can quite compare it..
For some reason, they got impatient with John LeClair and they traded away our best Dman for some reason. Taking any trades Rejean Houle made is quite stupid actually. We all know how bad he was as a GM.

Jokinen has already proven he can put up points. He can be used every where. He's coming from a Jacques Martin system, so you know he can play defensive as well.
It disgusts me to see how you talk about Jokinen without knowing anything really..''he got the C only to keep him happy''...yeaaaa..Martin is so the type of coach to do that...that makes so much sense..

Whats even funnier is when you mention Valeri Bure..like Valeri Bure...are you serious???
Joe Niewyendyk(played 1season of 65GP with FLA and retired the next after 15GP)..
Gary Roberts(58GP in his first FLA season, played 50 in the next and got traded)..
Josef Stumpel The Great!..
Viktor Kozlov..who only had 1 ''successful'' season with the Panthers out of 7
Pavel Bure who only played 1season and a half..and he was there when Jokinen just arrived in FLA and was not established..

The defensemen you mention are completely ridiculous and I can't believe you're trying to make a case with them..


Your attempt to discredit Jokinen is incredibly ridiculous..

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Florida is going to want top dollar for him.

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He wouldnt fare long in a pressure cooker like Montreal as a number one center. How many times Florida was right in the thick of things to make the playoffs and all i kept hearing was that Oli dissapeared once again and Florida missed the playoffs. Hes a good player but not an impact player. He is not one of the top centerman in this league and if he was, Florida would keep trying to build up around him but the guy just doesnt make his teammates better.

Like ive said, hes a good player, not an impact one and hes not worth risking your team's future over.
I think he'd kick ass playing with kovy/akost and would make a killer pp unit with Saku with that heavy point shot of his. It's tough to say he doesn't make players around him better, I mean who does he have to play with in Florida...Montreal is stacked with young talent that would feed off his forecheck and finishing skills.

If he can manage 4 34+ goal seasons with Florida, he'd be great here. I think this is the big number 1 center the team needs...Vinny is NOT coming here and Sundin would only be here for 1-2 years max.

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He’s played on bad teams. Blah, blah, blah.

He’s been in Florida since 00/01 season, that’s 7 seasons. In that time, he’s put up some points but his team has done squat. Well who was on those teams.

In goal, Luongo. Couldn’t have been very good I guess. (Sarcasm)

On D, Bowmeester, Salei, Van Ryn, Bryan Allen. Lyle Odelein has played on that team, Paul Laus, Brett Hedican, Ozolynch. No one too special, but nothing to cry about. Middle of the pack I’d say.

On offense, Stephen Weiss, Nathan Horton, David Booth this pass year.
Pavel and Valeri Bure were once teamates. As were Viktor Kozlov, Rob Niedermayer, Gary Roberts, Joe Niewendyk and Jozef Stumpel. Nothing to sneeze at there.
Well, I have to respectfully disagree the point I quoted. Sure he had Pavel Bure as a teammate but the first season Jokinen was 21, and the second season Bure only had 45 points and only played in 54 games (oh and btw Jokinen would have only been 22).
In fact, since he has been in FLA, only once has anyone on the team except for him had more than 65 points, and that was the first year he played with Bure.
Your list after Pavel Bure is almost laughable. None of those guys were more than lower level 2nd line / 3rd line guys at that point in their careers.

And although I would take Horton on my team anyday, he is far from a top 10 centerman / right winger in the league right now; he might not even be top 20 at either position (although he may get there one day).

The fact is that since he was 23, he has outscored his next closest teammate by an average of about 19 points and just over 9 goals. As I mentioned in an earlier post, FLA is reportedly looking for one top six player and a first round pick. That is not what I would call mortgaging the future. Also, I feel like we are not that far from reaching the Stanley Cup finals with what I would call a transition year coming after next year (Saku and Kovy may be gone along with a number of lower caliber veterans), I am of the mind that what better year to do it than next year.

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I think he'd kick ass playing with kovy/akost and would make a killer pp unit with Saku with that heavy point shot of his. It's tough to say he doesn't make players around him better, I mean who does he have to play with in Florida...Montreal is stacked with young talent that would feed off his forecheck and finishing skills.

If he can manage 4 34+ goal seasons with Florida, he'd be great here. I think this is the big number 1 center the team needs...Vinny is NOT coming here and Sundin would only be here for 1-2 years max.
Im not saying that he wouldnt be great here but what would Florida ask for him? The Kost bros? Higgins and McDonagh? I would be willing to part with those guys for a Malkin, Gaborik or Nash. Not Jokinen.

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For Jokinen, I think we could give up: Higgins, O'byrne and our 1st round draft pick in 2008. You free-up a spot for Latendresse on the second line.

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He wouldnt fare long in a pressure cooker like Montreal as a number one center. How many times Florida was right in the thick of things to make the playoffs and all i kept hearing was that Oli dissapeared once again and Florida missed the playoffs. Hes a good player but not an impact player. He is not one of the top centerman in this league and if he was, Florida would keep trying to build up around him but the guy just doesnt make his teammates better.

Like ive said, hes a good player, not an impact one and hes not worth risking your team's future over.
You probably heard that in your dreams because FLA has rarely been "right in the thick of things to make the POs"...and if it wasn't for Jokinen they wouldn't even be "right in the thick of things" those few times they have been.
Like I said, Mario Lemieux wouldn't have been able to bring the Panthers to the POs either. To blame Jokinen for not bringing them is simply dumb..

He is one of the top centerman. Lecavalier is one of the best if not the best and his name has often been mentioned in rumors. Even more so now since they will be drafting Stamkos and could get a great return for Vinny. His era in TB might be coming to an end as well after next season. Does this mean he's not part of the elite any more??..
He had a disappointing season last year, but still managed 34Goals..do you realize this??..a disappointing season for him is getting 34G 71Pts..
The two previous seasons he finished 7th in terms of Centers in pts.
He is part of the best centers in the league. If he was playing with the likes of Kovalev..or the Kost broz..you can be sure he'd be up there once again in the top10 centers.

This leadership crap is an old excuse that simply doesn't mean anything...Did Sundin lead TO anywhere as of lately??..yet he's playing with a better team..What about all the crap we were hearing about Alfie before leading OTT to the finals..??..
What about Hossa, that apparently according to some people, disappears during POs..didn't see any of that this year..
All crap..

Also, unlike in FLA, he wouldn't have to do it all and without a goalie. We have some good puck moving Ds, some good defensive Ds. We have great offensive fowards that can surround Olli a lot better than in FLA. He also wouldn't have all the pressure on him, as Koivu-Kovalev and our youngsters that had great seasons are also expected to produce even more..(Kost Broz-Plek-Higgins-Lats)

Jokinen would be a great fit here. IF we have to give Higgins and O'Byrne/Bouillon/Gorges with a pick for him...go for it.

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Im not saying that he wouldnt be great here but what would Florida ask for him? The Kost bros? Higgins and McDonagh? I would be willing to part with those guys for a Malkin, Gaborik or Nash. Not Jokinen.
Martin doesn't want a defenseman that's gonna be ready in 2-3years.
The name of O'Byrne was mentioned last year when rumors of Jokinen started popping up.

We're not going to give up 2 top 3 players for him.

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Apparently, Martin is looking more for help on defense.
How about Jokinen for Mar....i'm not gonna say it.

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[QUOTE=Papa_Bear_21;14430638]Take it for what it's worth, but thefourthperiod.com is reporting that the Panthers are looking for a first round pick and either a top six winger or a puck moving d-man.


Isn't Brisebois a good puck moving d-man ?

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Gainey has shown that he takes team spirit seriously. I don't see him going after Jokinen with the kind of reputation he has.

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