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06-17-2008, 09:42 AM
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My big question is whether he will behind the bench on a regular basis. If he is not, I do not understand how this is not actually a demotion.

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When did anyone say Simpson *was* qualified?

He wasn't. MacT wasn't. Huddy wasn't either. I think their collective (lack of) results speak to that.

A sad day for Oilers fans. Personally, I don't like continually being insulted by K-Lown. He can't seriously believe us fans actually think Suckberger was the best man for this position, can he?

This is nepotism, pure and simple.
I wouldn't call the Oilers PK numbers exactly a failure for Huddy.

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06-17-2008, 09:44 AM
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Hey at least he can teach Stortini how to take a punch better.

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Ture enough HA101 but on paper you would think that Daum had the edge in about every category.

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Then what's the point?

If you need someone to fulfill that role, there must be scores of more qualified candidates.
Do I understand this correctly?

There is no point in bringing a guy in for a role where he is merely a complimentary coach with no real responsibility, but if you do you want him to be experienced?

Seems to me that this role is likely tailor made to get Buchburger that very experience that everyone wants him to have.

Why not simply wait and see what he does or doesn't bring to the team ebfore running him out of the organization?

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I'll bet Zack Stortini can hardly wait until he retires so he can be our next head coach.

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06-17-2008, 09:54 AM
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I'm pretty sure Ethan Moreau will be an assistant coach.
That is IF he doesn't get injured standing behind the bench.

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06-17-2008, 10:02 AM
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People, please lets not criticize this hiring. Kelly has spent many, many years working hard to get to this position
He has a proven track record of winning as a coach
He has learned the ropes at lower levels
He has earned the job
One thing that doesnt need a
Unless Katz steps in Suckburger will be our new head coach some day when MacT steps aside.

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06-17-2008, 10:04 AM
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Do I understand this correctly?

There is no point in bringing a guy in for a role where he is merely a complimentary coach with no real responsibility, but if you do you want him to be experienced?

Seems to me that this role is likely tailor made to get Buchburger that very experience that everyone wants him to have.

Why not simply wait and see what he does or doesn't bring to the team ebfore running him out of the organization?

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Why not let him coach for 5-7 years in the ECHL, AHL or CHL before pampering him with a hand delivered job in the NHL.

This hiring is the reason the Oilers will always be a old boys club\bush league organization.

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Just to play Devil's Advocate (I'm not a big fan of "Take 'em wide!" getting fast tracked), there's numerous NHL assistant coaches that got their first NHL assistant gigs with less experience than Bucky's got.

Hell, look at perennial playoff threat Dallas...2 of their 3 assistant coaches had ZERO coaching experience before being given jobs as NHL assistant coaches...and I don't see them being tarred with the "bush league" brush.

The question isn't so much lack of experience, but lack of competence. Time will tell on that one.

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06-17-2008, 12:40 PM
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everyone questions Buckys credentials but what credentials does everyone here have to just assume this is a bad move?

ive heard all the pros and cons and arguing about this move for the last 6 weeks or so and i think before ANYONE can judge this a success or a failure you have to at the very least give the guy a chance to do his job!!
I have given my many reasons (including reasons from insiders and Springfield players) why I think this is a bad appointment. If you have been reading the last 6 weeks you should know them so I will not repeat it again. However if he did not do a good job at the last level why should we be excited about him. You did not do well at a lower level but now I am supposed to have confidence that he will do great at higher level with a position that was handed to him through the old buddy system. I can not buy into that sorry.

I think when you do have a staff that has been entrenched for years. If you are going to add to it you are in a position to be a lot more picky. You make sure you get a guy with a long track record of coaching and success. You can be patient with that decision. When an organization rolls over a whole new staff. It is a little harder to do that and you under the gun time wise.

It does as Digger says above come down not just to experience but also to track record and competence. I loved Bucky as a player and he seems like a great guy away from the ice but I have zero confidence in him as a coach beyond the fact that he could probably be a good taskmaster for physical training. But you could have just made him the team fitness guy for that.


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06-17-2008, 01:28 PM
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the Old Boys Club is in control, folks!

I'm getting sick and tired of this *****. It would be a completely different story if Kelly was qualified for the position, but that's hardly the case here. His coaching experience pales in comparison to a guy like Rob Daum, and Daum has a proven track record of success with young players. It's bringing in one of the guys that the organization feels compelled to show some gratitude toward for their service as a player when such coaching hires should be based entirely upon competence, experience, and qualification for the job. That's hardly the case here.
What proven success does Daum have with young players?

His coaching in the CIS would involved players that were older than their typical peers. He also failed to last more than 2 seasons in the Wild Organization.

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What experience did Glen Sather have when he was hired as a coach and General Manager with the Oilers?
A monkey could have coached that team.

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06-17-2008, 01:50 PM
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What experience did Glen Sather have when he was hired as a coach and General Manager with the Oilers?
About as much necessary to coach Gretzky, Messier, Coffey, Kurri, Anderson, etc.

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I am ok with this happening.

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06-17-2008, 03:10 PM
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Do I understand this correctly?

There is no point in bringing a guy in for a role where he is merely a complimentary coach with no real responsibility, but if you do you want him to be experienced?

Seems to me that this role is likely tailor made to get Buchburger that very experience that everyone wants him to have.

Why not simply wait and see what he does or doesn't bring to the team ebfore running him out of the organization?
My point was simply, if he has no real responsibility, why do you need that position? Couldn't those resources be used elsewhere?

If he does have real responsibility, does his year in Springfield qualify him to carry out those responsibilities.

Until we know for sure what he's doing, there's really no way to determine that for sure but it makes you wonder why Lowe/MacT seem so reticent to announce it.

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06-17-2008, 03:58 PM
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What proven success does Daum have with young players?

His coaching in the CIS would involved players that were older than their typical peers. He also failed to last more than 2 seasons in the Wild Organization.
More success than Buchberger can claim.

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06-17-2008, 04:04 PM
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I'll bet Zack Stortini can hardly wait until he retires so he can be our next head coach.
Since when does being a good player have anything to do with how well he can coach? If anything, I'd say the less skilled guys who've had careers would be better, because (as players) they'd had to have a better understanding of playing within systems, positioning, etc. because they didn't have the skill to fall back on. I mean, would Hemsky make a better coach after his playing career because he can dangle?

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More success than Buchberger can claim.
Sort of avoided the question there didn't you?

What is all this fantastic succeess that he's had? Who of his CIS players were able to do the unexpected and become NHL players?

Aside from his year in the NHL where he had 3 of the top 4 scorers in the AHL, what success has he had outside of the CIS?

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Aside from his year in the NHL where he had 3 of the top 4 scorers in the AHL, what success has he had outside of the CIS?
The same amount as Buchberger: Zero.

Plus all the other CIS success he did have. So ... you do the math.

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Having been required to learn the system that the Bears play, that Thurston teaches, and that Daum taught, I would LOVE to see the Oilers play it. It'd be something else to watch.

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I couldn't think of a better fit than Bucky. I'd much rather this young team learns from a former gritty, two-way player who IMO thought the game really well than a Wayne Gretzky type. Great work, Mac!

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I think it would be better to have some different thought minds in there. All these coaches think the exact same.

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I couldn't think of a better fit than Bucky. I'd much rather this young team learns from a former gritty, two-way player who IMO thought the game really well than a Wayne Gretzky type. Great work, Mac!
Yeah, Gretzky was not known for the thinking the game well and likely couldn't teach Gagner, Cogliano and Nilsson a thing.

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I couldn't think of a better fit than Bucky. I'd much rather this young team learns from a former gritty, two-way player who IMO thought the game really well than a Wayne Gretzky type. Great work, Mac!

bucky is the man!!

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