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06-19-2008, 07:08 PM
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I think it's 60/40 that Jokinen is moved tomorrow. I think it's almost 100% that the team and return will match noone's predictions.
I haven't really seen a lot of Jokinen trade proposals by Panther fans. Though I do agree that fans making proposals are usually wrong.

I could see Jokinen going for a first pairing d-man plus top 10 draft pick.

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Erik Johnson?
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Johnson is going to be sick for St. Louis - don't see it happening.

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wonder what Martin has interest for in St. Louis?
There are lots of good young prospects there. He'd probably be looking at something like one of their prospects. I doubt we'd get Oshie or Berglund but who knows. Perron is good but I don't know how good he actually will be. Knowing Martin, he'll probably be after Lee Stempniak, a prospect, and a pick, which would upset me considering the quality of some of the other offers we've seen.

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YESSS!!!! We do so well in deals with Vancouver!!!
**** man, I thought we just dealt him haha with the whole yess thing and got a massive return.

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There are lots of good young prospects there. He'd probably be looking at something like one of their prospects. I doubt we'd get Oshie or Berglund but who knows. Perron is good but I don't know how good he actually will be. Knowing Martin, he'll probably be after Lee Stempniak, a prospect, and a pick, which would upset me considering the quality of some of the other offers we've seen.
Yeah, I can't see Columbus taking Marleau over Jokinen. I just can't if it happens I'll be shocked.

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Olli, Ellerby, Repik, Olesz to Pitts for Malkin!


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My final Jokinen trade prediction is...

Jokinen

To Columbus for

Klesla, 6th overall and the rights to Hainsey.

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My final Jokinen trade prediction is...

Jokinen

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Klesla, 6th overall and the rights to Hainsey.
Ouch, Klesla isn't good haha

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My final Jokinen trade prediction is...

Jokinen

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Klesla, 6th overall and the rights to Hainsey.
I think the Klesla and the 6th very possible. Don't know about the Hainsey part. And I won't like that deal very much.

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My final Jokinen trade prediction is...

Jokinen

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Klesla, 6th overall and the rights to Hainsey.
eesh, I hope Martin says no!

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Spector is saying that the Isles could be intereseted. Not sure I can think of anyone I'm overly interested in there, though. Maybe Comrie, Huner, or Okposo? But not really...?
I think if the Islanders traded for Olli, the #5 pick would definitely be the centerpiece of the deal. Idk if that is really what's best for the Islanders, though. I don't think it would happen, but it could.

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I think if the Islanders traded for Olli, the #5 pick would definitely be the centerpiece of the deal. Idk if that is really what's best for the Islanders, though. I don't think it would happen, but it could.
When's the last time the Isles did something smart for the Isles?

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When's the last time the Isles did something smart for the Isles?
Well, they did get Smyth and made the playoffs that year...

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I just read the article and couldn't help notice a few things. I really think Jokinen will be traded on draft day. But, he definately won't be the only one. A defenseman will also go along with him and possibly someone like Peltonen included too. I come to this conclusion because I read JM is negotiating to resign Cullimore. Why? Remember we didn't have room for Cullimore if we were going to bring in a puck-moving dman in free agency which is what JM said. We have Bouw-Allen-Skrastins-Van Ryn-Welch-Murphy under contract. If JM re-signs Magnus & Cullimore & brings in a puck-moving dman, that's 9 defenseman. Too many, I think. So I am willing to bet he will package 1 possibly 2 if we are trading with LA. Also in the article JM says, "Martin said about those two. "We've had conversations with them. We have to wait and see what happens at the draft, whether we acquire some defense, whether we move some people out. We'll wait until after the draft and re-evaluate where we are on defense.'' Any thoughts?


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wonder what Martin has interest for in St. Louis?
I think Eric Brewer and the #4 overall. Then he replaces Jokinen with a UFA forward, and not necessarily a center. Put Weiss, Kreps, and Matthias at center and get a big winger.

St. Louis is stacked on D and needs offense. This fulfills what both teams are looking for(regardless of whether or not you agree with Martin's plan, he has stated that his No.1 priority this summer is to get a top four puck moving defenseman, and he said recently on the Official Site that the UFA crop is weak, and that trading for that d-man is a possibility). I can see the Blues as the most likely team to trade their top 5 pick, they already have very good prospect depth and might want to make a splash next year.

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My final Jokinen trade prediction is...

Jokinen

To Columbus for

Klesla, 6th overall and the rights to Hainsey.
Let's hope your predictions are way off then......

Klesla is w/e. He's a good #2 defensman on most teams I guess. I don't really care for him that much. God, if we made that deal, who the **** would replace Jokinen's offense. We HAVE to get a forward back. Martin is "happy with the forwards" but he'd have to be a fool to believe that we don't need to replace Olli's offense. We need Zherdev or something like that......

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When's the last time the Isles did something smart for the Isles?
LOL, I didn't want to bash them, but you did it for me. No, but really, I think they are far away from the playoffs, and they really need to take the BPA with their pick. Like I said, I don't think they will screw this up, but I can see it possibly happening.

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I think Eric Brewer and the #4 overall. Then he replaces Jokinen with a UFA forward, and not necessarily a center. Put Weiss, Kreps, and Matthias at center and get a big winger.

St. Louis is stacked on D and needs offense. This fulfills what both teams are looking for(regardless of whether or not you agree with Martin's plan, he has stated that his No.1 priority this summer is to get a top four puck moving defenseman, and he said recently on the Official Site that the UFA crop is weak, and that trading for that d-man is a possibility). I can see the Blues as the most likely team to trade their top 5 pick, they already have very good prospect depth and might want to make a splash next year.
I thought about this to myself....Brewer and the 4th but that would upset me. I don't want Brewer. He's nowhere near as good as he was projected to be as a young prospect. Sure he's a reliable, solid, good defensman but I'll be incredibly pissed off if we don't get any offense back for Olli. WE NEED OFFENSE JM! Surely he doesn't think that our offense could survive without Jokinen. If we picked at 4 we'd have to look at Bogosian, Pietrangelo, Filatov, and Boedker (even if he's a reach at 4). If we don't get enough offense in the Olli trade back, we HAVE to get one of Filatov or Boedker, but if we do, we can go with one of those great defensemen. Also....who knows how Martin feels about the solid 2-way players such as Colin Wilson or Cody Hodgson. I wouldn't be surprised to see him draft them rather than the potentially exciting offensive whizzes in Filatov and Boedker.

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I think Eric Brewer and the #4 overall. Then he replaces Jokinen with a UFA forward, and not necessarily a center. Put Weiss, Kreps, and Matthias at center and get a big winger.

St. Louis is stacked on D and needs offense. This fulfills what both teams are looking for(regardless of whether or not you agree with Martin's plan, he has stated that his No.1 priority this summer is to get a top four puck moving defenseman, and he said recently on the Official Site that the UFA crop is weak, and that trading for that d-man is a possibility). I can see the Blues as the most likely team to trade their top 5 pick, they already have very good prospect depth and might want to make a splash next year.
that makes a LOT of sense, we could even grab Filatov, that would be SICK

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There are lots of good young prospects there. He'd probably be looking at something like one of their prospects. I doubt we'd get Oshie or Berglund but who knows. Perron is good but I don't know how good he actually will be. Knowing Martin, he'll probably be after Lee Stempniak, a prospect, and a pick, which would upset me considering the quality of some of the other offers we've seen.
The proposals you've seen are all from fans. Rarely do fans every even get a trade proposal remotely close, so it's probably best that we don't look at the offers we've seen on here as the bar.

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I thought about this to myself....Brewer and the 4th but that would upset me. I don't want Brewer. He's nowhere near as good as he was projected to be as a young prospect. Sure he's a reliable, solid, good defensman but I'll be incredibly pissed off if we don't get any offense back for Olli. WE NEED OFFENSE JM! Surely he doesn't think that our offense could survive without Jokinen. If we picked at 4 we'd have to look at Bogosian, Pietrangelo, Filatov, and Boedker (even if he's a reach at 4). If we don't get enough offense in the Olli trade back, we HAVE to get one of Filatov or Boedker, but if we do, we can go with one of those great defensemen. Also....who knows how Martin feels about the solid 2-way players such as Colin Wilson or Cody Hodgson. I wouldn't be surprised to see him draft them rather than the potentially exciting offensive whizzes in Filatov and Boedker.
Apparently DeBoer LOVES Boedker, so if DeBoer has any type of impact on who JM picks, I think Boedker could be a shoe in if we do get that St. Louis trade or any pick within that area.

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I just read the article and couldn't help notice a few things. I really think Jokinen will be traded on draft day. But, he definately won't be the only one. A defenseman will also go along with him and possibly someone like Peltonen included too. I come to this conclusion because I read JM is negotiating to resign Cullimore. Why? Remember we didn't have room for Cullimore if we were going to bring in a puck-moving dman in free agency which is what JM said. We have Bouw-Allen-Skrastins-Van Ryn-Welch-Murphy under contract. If he JM re-signs Magnus & Cullimore & brings in a puck-moving dman, that's 9 defenseman. Too many, I think. So I am willing to bet he will package 1 possibly 2 if we are trading with LA. Also in the article JM says, "Martin said about those two. "We've had conversations with them. We have to wait and see what happens at the draft, whether we acquire some defense, whether we move some people out. We'll wait until after the draft and re-evaluate where we are on defense.'' Any thoughts?
This strengthens my argument that a defenseman may be a big part of what is coming back in return for Olli. He says "wait and see what happens at draft, whether we acquire some defense..........we'll wait until after the draft and re-evaluate where we are on defense".

As I've said repeatedly for weeks, I think Murphy is gone at the draft. And I think if JM can deal Ryno in the Olli package, he will.

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I thought about this to myself....Brewer and the 4th but that would upset me. I don't want Brewer. He's nowhere near as good as he was projected to be as a young prospect. Sure he's a reliable, solid, good defensman but I'll be incredibly pissed off if we don't get any offense back for Olli. WE NEED OFFENSE JM! Surely he doesn't think that our offense could survive without Jokinen. If we picked at 4 we'd have to look at Bogosian, Pietrangelo, Filatov, and Boedker (even if he's a reach at 4). If we don't get enough offense in the Olli trade back, we HAVE to get one of Filatov or Boedker, but if we do, we can go with one of those great defensemen. Also....who knows how Martin feels about the solid 2-way players such as Colin Wilson or Cody Hodgson. I wouldn't be surprised to see him draft them rather than the potentially exciting offensive whizzes in Filatov and Boedker.
I'm sure Martin's smart enough to understand that losing Olli's 80 or so points and getting only a defenseman back isn't helping anything. I'm sure that'd mean he has to go after a forward either through another trade or FA, which is more likely. I'll be surprised if we get a defenseman back, though, considering who's out there via FA: Campbell, Redden, Liles, etc.

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