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06-20-2008, 05:06 AM
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From what I understand Vancouver and Montreal are battling it out for the 12th/final spot of the MLS' current expansion plans. As mentioned earlier ... Seattle and Philadelphia are going to be the 9th and 10th respective teams. After that there is one midwest team I believe who is seen as the frontrunner and then Montreal/Vancouver.

From dealing with the Whitecaps on a week-to-week basis I've been told the MLS commissioner was heavily encouraging the Whiteaps to apply to get into the MLS. And most recently, Steve Nash has thrown his name behind the MLS soccer coming to Vancouver.

The Whitecaps have been feeling quite a bit of pressure to get into the MLS so much so they went and signed a 5-year, no-opt-out lease with BC Place just so they can apply, because the current stadium they play in isn't large enough (5,500 max).

The Whitecaps intent is to play in BC Place from 2011-2016 until they can secure the land for the new stadium to be built on the Vancouver Waterfront near Canada Place.

Let's put it this way they have the money (owner will foot the entire bill), but the Port Authority is standing in the way.

So for everyone who thinks that Montreal is a step ahead of Vancouver I would actually say its 50/50 ... who knows maybe they'll chose Montreal and Vancouver over that supossed frontrunner from the US.
MLS currently has 14 teams. seattle and philly are 15 and 16.

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06-20-2008, 05:22 AM
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MLS currently has 14 teams. seattle and philly are 15 and 16.
you are totally right ... my math failed me ... its 2 something rather in the morning. cheers

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06-20-2008, 10:33 AM
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I highly doubt our fanbase can support this long term. Sure the first few years will probably look great, but eventually, it will die down and probably be in one of them scrap yards.

Edmonton is good at starting something for a while, but once the suprise factor is out, things fade. Looks at the Grand Prix. IIRC, we had the best numbers in a while for the inaugural. Then, the second years, numbers decreased. I wouldnt be suprised to see them drop this year as well.

The only thing Edmonton can maintain well is the Oilers, for obvious reasons, and Eskimos (though, I'm not even sure if the Eskies are faring that well in terms of attendance these days).

As for a new facility, I'm sure most people would rather have money spent on a new hockey facilitiy versus a soccer one, if money IS to be spent on a sports facility. I like both sports, but hockey moreso.

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06-20-2008, 10:50 AM
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5-8 k? That's way too small for a prospective MLS team. Although some crap teams in the MLS draw poorly, the league won't expand if that's the type of stadium we will have.

Soccer specific stadiums across the league are being built to hold around 20k, with room to expand. That will be the benchmark for us to be considered.
20 K would be great however I don't think we sell out 20K in the first year. What needs to happen are the tickets need to become the hot thing in town. Much like Oiler tickets are now (I know it will never be as big) but if they are in a 7,000 seat stadium and they can sell 6,000 season tickets the general public will be scrmabling like mad men to try get there hand's on the last 1,000.

At that point scalpers get involved, radio stations & tv start giving them and people are acctualy excitied to win.

For soccer to succeed here we need to suceed at a small level first.


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Its clear we'll be considered with or wothout a 20k stadium. Commonwealth is just fine and I can never understand the difficulty oft stated with this facility.

The critics are usually the ones watching on TV across the nation wondering why its not full like Saputo or BMO. Well because it seats 60K. But so what if we get 20-25k in there instead of 20k in a shrink stadium?
Personally I'd FAR rather have the comfort of space and having elbow room than being packed like sardines. I LOVE attending events in Commonwealth even if its half empty.

Next I'd like to put to rest some suggestions already appearing in the thread.

First the Aviators should not even enter the discussion and for obvious reasons.

2nd, the Edmonton Drillers of the NASL were actually relatively decently supported. In 79, 80, 81 the club actually averaged over 10K fans which might not sound like much but EXCEEDED the usual NASL attendance in those years. While the league average for the NASL was 13-14K that was significantly increased by attendance for NY Cosmos that some years averaged 40k fans.
Most other cities had WORSE attendance than the Edmonton Drillers.

The Drillers were sunk by difficulties getting viable deals at the Coliseum and Commonwealth. They ended up having to play the last year at Clarke Stadium and this then sunk the club financially.

For an expansion club they were moving in the right direction prior to the negotiation difficulties. Being put in Clarke was the death of the outdoor version of the club.

Silly still in considering that all those dates where the Drillers played at Clarke in 82 Commonwealth sat empty.

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I've had season tickets to all these leagues (minus the aviators) cuz that was a joke. And I agree with you that the confort of the 60K stadium is great.

However the atmosphere will never be there with only 1/3 of the stadium being full. With no atmosphere there is no fun. The place needs to be fun..

Just look at the fans at BMO ... You can feel the atmosphere watching on TV.. Stuff being thrown around, people singing, everyone stading. Etc.


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06-20-2008, 10:53 AM
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20 K would be great however I don't think we sell out 20K in the first year. What needs to happen are the tickets need to become the hot thing in town. Much like Oiler tickets are now (I know it will never be as big) but if they are in a 7,000 seat stadium and they can sell 6,000 season tickets the general public will be scrmabling like mad men to try get there hand's on the last 1,000.

At that point scalpers get involved, radio stations & tv start giving them and people are acctualy excitied to win.

For soccer to succeed here we need to suceed at a small level first.
Can you run an MLS team (business wise) on 5-8k? Seems a touch unreasonable, considering the lowest attendance is around 11k (and KC is rumoured to be in some trouble because of it).

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I would love to see MLS here. I'd go to an MLS game over CFL or Lacrosse any day.

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A new soccer stadium must be built in order for a team to succeed. Tickets need to start off cheap. I heard the Aviator tickets were pricey. Majority of the games need to be played on Saturday or Sunday afternoon.

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punjabi oil is gonna lose it when he sees people proposing a soccer stadium.

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It's all about the atmosphere, why do you think the Mini World Cup is such a big hit in Edmonton.

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punjabi oil is gonna lose it when he sees people proposing a soccer stadium.
I would love to see his take on that. He's OK with 250 mil being spent on the Universiade games...

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It's all about the atmosphere, why do you think the Mini World Cup is such a big hit in Edmonton.
You hit the nail on the head here.

It's all about atmosphere and the mini world cup has that.

Just out of curioisty what did Clark stadium hold when it had seats on the other side?

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You hit the nail on the head here.

It's all about atmosphere and the mini world cup has that.

Just out of curioisty what did Clark stadium hold when it had seats on the other side?
I'm pretty sure Clarke held around 20,000 people. Now it can only hold 1200 fans for sporting events and 6000 for concerts and special events.

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I'm pretty sure Clarke held around 20,000 people. Now it can only hold 1200 fans for sporting events and 6000 for concerts and special events.
I'm sure this is pretty far fetched but what if they were to renovate Clarke to hold 8,000-10,000 people.

However now that I think of it I beleive the MLS requires there staidums to hold at least X number of seats(i'm thinking 15,000 was the number but I could be wrong).


Looks like they would need to build a brand new 15,000 seat stadium, however I'm thinking that may be a hard sell considerig soccer poors repuation in this city.

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Just to add my 2 cents...

Just a huge fan of the MLS. Yes, it's a step down from other leagues around the world, but for the first time in my life that I can remember, soccer is getting big in Canada. VERY big.

I love watching Toronto FC matches, they're just electric on TV... that crowd, who knew Canadians had it in them for this sport? It's just awesome to see.

I would assume that Montreal would get the next franchise. I'm sure the MLS is chomping at the bit to see a rabid, increasingly-growing French fan base support a Montreal team that would start a terrific rivalry with Toronto FC. My money is on Montreal getting the team first, and then Vancouver a season or two later.

Anyone thought the posibility of an Alberta team would be plausible? A team that plays in both Edmonton and Calgary? Greater fan base, if so, if it than just Edmonton. Although, two arena deals would be quite the handful to manage. But no doubt, an Edmonton / Calgary combo for a professional MLS team is very intruiging.

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I can't see Edmonton leapfrogging Vancouver and Montreal for an MLS franchise. What about a USL team? I agree with whoever said "start small." A USL team playing out of Clarke or Foote field would be a great way to incubate interest in pro soccer in Edmonton. The city needs a stable and well-run franchise to take root before it can think of joining what passes for the big leagues in the North American game.

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If Edmonton were to get a team we could have Soccer Night in Canada on CBC. Have a double hitter with Toronto FC playing first followedy by Edmonton.

What would be a good team name for Edmonton and a color scheme for there Jerseys.

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I can't see Edmonton leapfrogging Vancouver and Montreal for an MLS franchise. What about a USL team? I agree with whoever said "start small." A USL team playing out of Clarke or Foote field would be a great way to incubate interest in pro soccer in Edmonton. The city needs a stable and well-run franchise to take root before it can think of joining what passes for the big leagues in the North American game.
tried and failed, Aviators were USL.
no way that league comes back here again.

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If Edmonton were to get a team we could have Soccer Night in Canada on CBC. Have a double hitter with Toronto FC playing first followedy by Edmonton.

What would be a good team name for Edmonton and a color scheme for there Jerseys.
Oiler colors because you know Katz will have a part in it

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Another interesting, but unrelated, quote from the article:

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Travel is a sore spot for Canada's team.

They are currently in a camp that has lasted more than three weeks, a rare luxury only possible in the off-season for European leagues. By the next phase of qualifying, many players will be jetting in and out from their European clubs for games, hoping jet-lag won't drag them down.

De Guzman said the players want all their games to be played at Saputo Stadium in Montreal, which is in the east and has a grass field, but the Canadian Soccer Association has made commitments for games to be played at BMO Field in Toronto, which has artificial turf, and in Edmonton, which is eight time zones from Europe.

"That's totally unfair to us," said de Guzman. "Stuff like that will affect us immensely going into the World Cup.

"We feel we're very comfortable here."
I can't say I disagree with De Guzman. Qualifying for WC2010 should be a top priority. If playing all games in Montreal increases our chances, then so be it. I think CSA is in the wrong insisting that games be played in Toronto (on turf) or Edmonton (too far). A WC participation would do much more for the soccer in Edmonton than watching at most a couple of qualifying games at Commonwealth.

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I can't say I disagree with De Guzman. Qualifying for WC2010 should be a top priority. If playing all games in Montreal increases our chances, then so be it. I think CSA is in the wrong insisting that games be played in Toronto (on turf) or Edmonton (too far). A WC participation would do much more for the soccer in Edmonton than watching at most a couple of qualifying games at Commonwealth.
Agreed. We should be playing where the players feel the most comfortable. After all, every result in getting to the World Cup hinges on them.

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I can't say I disagree with De Guzman. Qualifying for WC2010 should be a top priority. If playing all games in Montreal increases our chances, then so be it. I think CSA is in the wrong insisting that games be played in Toronto (on turf) or Edmonton (too far). A WC participation would do much more for the soccer in Edmonton than watching at most a couple of qualifying games at Commonwealth.
Normally, I would agree. The difference is Canada plays in Mexico 4 days before the Oct. 15 game in Canada. The players will not be coming from Europe.

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tried and failed, Aviators were USL.
no way that league comes back here again.
If there's stable ownership and a sound business model in place and the team starts out playing in a venue more suited to its drawing power, why not?

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Professional soccer never seems to survive in Edmonton - why would it work now?

Just asking.
It never worked in toronto,montreal and van city until MLS and A-league arrived. MLS is run like soccer should be! This is a sport on the verge of a north american explosion!! They are doing it right. It's not a hockey soccer hybrid. They tried to market soccer like hockey before. All the euro fans scoffed at the way we ran our leagues until now! We are bringing the right people over here. A team in a city like Edmonton would do great if marketed like a european franchise. Sign a couple international players that have recognizable names and away you go! Beckham was huge but you dont need to go that far. I for one would support a proper soccer team in edmonton. We need a classy name for the franchise though.......don't even suggest the brick or the drillers!!!!!

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I'm sure this is pretty far fetched but what if they were to renovate Clarke to hold 8,000-10,000 people.

However now that I think of it I beleive the MLS requires there staidums to hold at least X number of seats(i'm thinking 15,000 was the number but I could be wrong).


Looks like they would need to build a brand new 15,000 seat stadium, however I'm thinking that may be a hard sell considerig soccer poors repuation in this city.
I honestly wouldn't even consider anything like Clarke. I believe you are a younger person but most Edmontonian were sick and tired of Clarke park when the Drillers played there last NASL outdoor season there in 1982 and it killed their credibility and interest. Average attendance went from over 10K to 4k just because of the shift.

Edmontonians love Commonwealth and always have and I think personally the venue itself is very enjoyable on a summer day and a great venue even if half full. I'd rather be there than crowded in some hovel 2 bit stadium. Commonwealth has great amenities, sufficient facilities etc.

Plus I always think Commonwealth Stadium looks like a first class venue in the bright sun and shows us off a bit.

The marquee stadium in Canada for my money.

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how about we focus on building a 20K seat arena before we build a 20K seat stadium.

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