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06-24-2008, 08:22 PM
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Here is my top 20 prospects list, based more on potential than NHL readiness.


1. Eric Karlsson, D
2. Brian Lee, D
3. Nick Foligno, LW
4. Jim O'Brien, C
5. Brian Elliott, G
6. Alexander Nikulin, C
7. Kaspars Daugavins, LW
8. Peter Regin, C
9. Ilya Zubov, C
10. Patrick Weircioch, D
11. Jesse Winchester
12. Josh Hennessy, C
13. Cody Bass, C
14. Louie Caporusso, C
15. Andre Petersson, LW/RW
16. Tomas Kudelka, D
17. Ruslan Bashkirov, LW
18. Derek Smith, D
19. Ben Blood, D
20. Shawn Weller, LW

Mirnov, Anikeyenko, Lyamen are all skilled prospects, probably deserving to be in the top 20, but with no transfer agreement in place and lucrative salaries available in Russia, I would be surprised if they came over.

Hopefully if I can get out to the development camp I can update my list, as this one if mostly from scouting reports.
Im excluding Lee, Foligno, Winchester, Hennesy and Bass even though they are still considered prospects, they will probably be with the club full time next year so Ill leave them out. Rant at me if you care

1. Eric Karlsson, D
2. Brian Elliott, G
3. Jim O'Brien, C
4. Alexander Nikulin, C
5. Kaspars Daugavins, LW
6. Peter Regin, C
7. Ilya Zubov, C
8. Patrick Weircioch, D
9. Andre Petersson, LW/RW
10. Louie Caporusso, C
11. Ruslan Bashkirov, LW
12. Derek Smith, D
13. Colin Greening, C
14. Tomas Kudelka, D
15. Erik Condra, RW
16. Ben Blood, D
17. Shawn Weller, LW
18. Derek Smith, D
19. Zach Smith, C
20. Emil Sandin, LW

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06-24-2008, 08:49 PM
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Emil Sandin at 20?

I don't really know much about him other than the brief scouting report, so I could be judging too harsh, but aren't there other prospects in our system that could be ahead of him?

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06-24-2008, 09:21 PM
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I'm bored I'll toss out my top 20

1. Brian Lee
2. Nick Foligno
3. Brian Elliott
4. Erik Karlsson
5. Kaspars Daugavins
6. Jim O'Brien
7. Peter Regin
8. Cody Bass
9. Alexander Nikulin
10. Ilya Zubov
11. Josh Hennessy
12. Patrick Wiercioch
13. Erik Condra
14. Zach Smith
15. Ruslan Bashkirov
16. Colin Greening
17. Louie Caporusso
18. Ben Blood
19. Andre Petersson
20. Tomas Kudelka

Left Russians over in Russia out.

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06-24-2008, 10:37 PM
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I'm bored I'll toss out my top 20

1. Brian Lee
2. Nick Foligno
3. Brian Elliott
4. Erik Karlsson
5. Kaspars Daugavins
6. Jim O'Brien
7. Peter Regin
8. Cody Bass
9. Alexander Nikulin
10. Ilya Zubov
11. Josh Hennessy
12. Patrick Wiercioch
13. Erik Condra
14. Zach Smith
15. Ruslan Bashkirov
16. Colin Greening
17. Louie Caporusso
18. Ben Blood
19. Andre Petersson
20. Tomas Kudelka

Left Russians over in Russia out.
What is this ranked on? Potential? Because I certainly don't see how you can put Foligno ahead of Karlsson or Bass ahead of Nikulin/Zubov if that's the case. They're certainly much more ready for the NHL, but I don't think their ultimate potential is nearly as high.

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06-25-2008, 01:03 PM
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Vermettes a sharp player, has good hands and can make stuff happen, is solid defensively as well.

I was actually going to compare Condra to a Chris Kelly with hands.

I like Condra a lot from the handful of games I have seen of him.

Here is a scouting report.
http://und.cstv.com/sports/m-hockey/...ra_erik00.html
Vermette lacks situational awareness. He focuses too much on what's in front of him and loses track of the overall picture. But he's got good puck skills and excellent speed which allow him to recover from his occasional poor positioning decisions.

I think that even with that flaw he could be a 75 point player on another team's top line. He'll never get that chance here. Heck, he won't even be the second line centre. I like him as a Sen but he would be more valuable to another team. I wouldn't be surprised to see him traded to another team that needs more of what he can bring.

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06-25-2008, 01:55 PM
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So apparently contrary to what we've been led to believe here Winchester's contract is two-way. So we might not have to keep including him in all our lineup predictions/proposals.

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Whether heíll start next season in Ottawa or with the Senatorsí American Hockey League affiliate in Binghamton, N.Y., remains to be seen. But with a whole summer still ahead of him, Winchester isnít worrying about any of that just yet.
The full article is here:

http://senators.nhl.com/team/app/?se...ticleid=366963

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That makes more sense.

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What is this ranked on? Potential? Because I certainly don't see how you can put Foligno ahead of Karlsson or Bass ahead of Nikulin/Zubov if that's the case. They're certainly much more ready for the NHL, but I don't think their ultimate potential is nearly as high.
Based on how good an NHLer I think they will be.

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So apparently contrary to what we've been led to believe here Winchester's contract is two-way. So we might not have to keep including him in all our lineup predictions/proposals.
Can we kill this misconception once and for all?

Whether a player has a one-way or two-way contract does not directly affect whether they will play in the AHL or the NHL. The only difference is that a player on a one-way contract will not face a massive pay cut if they are sent down to the AHL.

So if the team is fine with paying them NHL level money in the AHL then they'll do it. And since the player is not on the NHL roster their salary will not count against the cap.

The most you can read into a player having a one-way deal is that the team values them and thinks they may have a chance to make the NHL roster ... or that they are a valuable development project and the team is willing to commit $$$ to have them in our system.

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06-25-2008, 03:13 PM
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Can we kill this misconception once and ...
i believe the problem is that players on one way deals are automatically subject to waivers, so signing a one way deal almost ensures you either spend the entire season in the NHL or the entire season in the AHL.

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1. Brian Lee
2. Erik Karlsson
3. Brian Elliot
4. Nick Foligno
5. Alexander Nikulin
6. Peter Regin
7. Jim O'brien
8. Kaspars Daugavins
9. Cody Bass
10. Ilja Zubov

I have a feeling Peter Regin/Brian Elliot will be the steal of our team.

This is based on how I think effective they will be at the NHL level.

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06-25-2008, 04:11 PM
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i believe the problem is that players on one way deals are automatically subject to waivers, so signing a one way deal almost ensures you either spend the entire season in the NHL or the entire season in the AHL.
This is not true.

AgeYears from Signing in the NHL*NHL Games Played
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194 160
203 160
213 80
223 70
233 60
242 60
25+1 1

Jesse Winchester is a 24 year-old with one year and one game. He won't need to clear waivers until he turns 25, which happens on October 4th this year. It makes you wonder why they played him for that one game last year, because there is a clause that keeps a 25+ year-old exempt for the rest of the year that they play their first game. I guess they've basically guaranteed that he won't be a mid-season call-up.

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06-26-2008, 10:53 AM
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Does anyone know were Bashkirov is playing

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I have looked everywhere and I can only find his last year stats

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06-26-2008, 11:06 AM
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Does anyone know were Bashkirov is playing
He played with Khimik Mytisch and their level-3 team last year, as well as Crystall Elektrostal in the Russian-2 league. He seemed to bounce around a lot and it was not a good year for him, but the fact that he's at the development camp at least says something positive about his desire to someday make the NHL.

No one mentions if he is under contract for next season.

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i dont believe he is under contract.

I also wonder whether the chl-ahl transfer rule (20yo) will apply to him (i believe he will be 19 coming into the season).

He was drafted out of the chl, but his team replaced his spot. Unless he gets traded (in qmjhl), that rule unfairly limits bashkirov to playing in USHL i believe.

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06-26-2008, 11:19 AM
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He played with Khimik Mytisch and their level-3 team last year, as well as Crystall Elektrostal in the Russian-2 league. He seemed to bounce around a lot and it was not a good year for him, but the fact that he's at the development camp at least says something positive about his desire to someday make the NHL.

No one mentions if he is under contract for next season.
Do you know what his stats were like

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Do you know what his stats were like
Really bad year for him.

Crystall Elektrostal Vysshaya Liga (RUS-2) 07/08 12 4 0 4 -1 22

Khimik Mytischy Russian Hockey League 07/08 4 0 0 0 0 0

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Do you know what his stats were like
Nobody has complete stats. Euro Hockey has his stats in the RSL as 4 games, 0 points, but an article on his Russian Prospects page has him scoring a goal in a 9-2 win and another in a 3-0 win. I think we'd need someone who actually follows the league to figure it out.
http://www.russianprospects.com/publ...?player_id=576
http://www.eurohockey.net/players/sh...?serial=101742

edit: actually, reading the article over it seems like they are talking about the playoffs in the Russian-2 league. So maybe those 4 regular season games are his complete stats...

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This is not true.

AgeYears from Signing in the NHL*NHL Games Played
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223 70
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242 60
25+1 1

Jesse Winchester is a 24 year-old with one year and one game. He won't need to clear waivers until he turns 25, which happens on October 4th this year. It makes you wonder why they played him for that one game last year, because there is a clause that keeps a 25+ year-old exempt for the rest of the year that they play their first game. I guess they've basically guaranteed that he won't be a mid-season call-up.

That's an easy one to forget, waiver exemption isnt by one way or two way contract, its by the age/games played combo.

I imagine part of convincing Winchester to sign with Ottawa, they promised him one game last year. A hard offer to turn down.

Our top 2 draft picks this year are quite impressive young men, character wise, the Sens looked to have picked smartly. Im losing my worries over losing our scouts, still to see of course

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Does anyone know were Bashkirov is playing
Bashkirov was just drafted by the Petes. Apparently his agent has told the Petes that he plans to come back and play in North America next year to better his chances at getting a contract.

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06-26-2008, 08:18 PM
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Bashkirov was just drafted by the Petes. Apparently his agent has told the Petes that he plans to come back and play in North America next year to better his chances at getting a contract.
SICK! That'll be awesome for him. I'll be honest, he's one of my favorite sens prospects (for no apparent reason), and i was beginning to worry he'd never get the second chance i believe he deserves. Hope he dumps that bum agent though.

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SICK! That'll be awesome for him. I'll be honest, he's one of my favorite sens prospects (for no apparent reason), and i was beginning to worry he'd never get the second chance i believe he deserves. Hope he dumps that bum agent though.
I hope he dumps his brother.

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I hope he dumps his brother.

Apparently his brother Roman was drafted by the Sarnia Sting

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Apparently his brother Roman was drafted by the Sarnia Sting
Let's draft him with our new 5th next year and have our own Slavic brothers to show off when we play Montreal.

Seriously though, awesome news that Bashkirov (Ruslan) is comming back to NA to play. We will be able to see his potential up close now.

P.S. Did anyone notice that in the Development Camp videos on the Senators website Bashkirov gets Zubov to speak English for him?....I thought Bashkirov knew English

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