I've seen every game he has played at DU, and I haven't seen another Defenseman compare, and he is a freshman.
Also important to note currently he is playing with an upper body injury. He is only playing powerplay and spot 5-5 duty. When he is healthy he just dominates.
So wait... he's playing injured and continuing at a PPG pace? That's just ridiculous, I really hope he fills out and becomes a steal in the next few years.
Someone used Rafalski for similar numbers, but are there any other defensemen who are up and coming or are solid in their own right he can be compared to?
So wait... he's playing injured and continuing at a PPG pace? That's just ridiculous, I really hope he fills out and becomes a steal in the next few years.
Someone used Rafalski for similar numbers, but are there any other defensemen who are up and coming or are solid in their own right he can be compared to?
I said it previously, but I think he's following a similar ascent to prominency that Jeff Petry took. Petry was a bit of an unknown USHL blueliner, had a good finish and playoffs, went in the second round to the Oilers. Now, Petry played another year in the USHL dominated, and then had a fantastic freshman year last season with MSU, but still. Petry's got more edge and physicality to him though, probably less offensive upside. But Petry got himself into the HF Top 50 last time around, which not a lot of 2nd round college blueliners do.
Good article on Patrick Wiercioch in the Denver Post.
"half-healthy Patrick Wiercioch and a complete healthy dose of scratches appear to have been the keys in the University of Denver's 4-0 upset of No. 1 Minnesota on Saturday.
The victory that snapped a three-game losing streak might serve the Pioneers the rest of the season, reminding them that Wiercioch could be the team's only hard-to-replace part."
People come up with the most random comparisons sometimes
I assume you were referring to my comparison. How is it any more 'random' than any other one that may have popped into your head? I'm quite curious who you would compare Wiercioch to. Afterall, you do seem to be holding back some insight relevant to the discussion, no?
What do you think will hold him back from becoming an NHL player? Is it the reported lack of work ethic? Size? One dimensional play?
He's skilled with the puck and is a good skater, but that's it really. There are many players like him in Sweden, who never make it to the NHL. Not enough balance, strenght, all round game - you name it... Linus Klasen is an upgraded version of Peterson, and he's not good enough for NHL so. I also think Linus Omark is a better prospect than Peterson. And of course, Peterson's team mate Mattias Tedenby is far better. But well, this kind of player can really entertain a crowd. You need so much more to be a success in NHL, but of course, Peterson is probably gonna be a big star in SEL.
Sandin is different. His hits are hard and he has great balance. Even big D-men have huge problems to take the puck from him, and his defensive game & work ethic is far better. Plus he has the other tools (skilled with the puck and good skating).
Sandin loves the high tempo, psysical games... Despite his small size, he's probably even better on small ice than on big. He has the attitude and the abilities.
I've seen every game he has played at DU, and I haven't seen another Defenseman compare, and he is a freshman.
Also important to note currently he is playing with an upper body injury. He is only playing powerplay and spot 5-5 duty. When he is healthy he just dominates.
Hearing that from someone who watched him play every game this year is great. Since the draft day, i felt something strong about Wiercioch, maybe i have another 6th sense? I've been high on Elliott for a while (+2 years) and now i'm also high on Caporusso (since his draft) tough it is groing stronger this year.
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Good article on Patrick Wiercioch in the Denver Post.
"half-healthy Patrick Wiercioch and a complete healthy dose of scratches appear to have been the keys in the University of Denver's 4-0 upset of No. 1 Minnesota on Saturday.
The victory that snapped a three-game losing streak might serve the Pioneers the rest of the season, reminding them that Wiercioch could be the team's only hard-to-replace part."
I wonder if Wiercioch won't become my favorite prospect before the end of the season.
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regin has a goal and was +2 yesterday. he comes up quite better after his injury!
Well, he didn't play very much before his injury. I hope he stays healthy and get around 35 points this year. Next season will be big for him... well turning point of his career i think.
He's skilled with the puck and is a good skater, but that's it really. There are many players like him in Sweden, who never make it to the NHL. Not enough balance, strenght, all round game - you name it... Linus Klasen is an upgraded version of Peterson, and he's not good enough for NHL so. I also think Linus Omark is a better prospect than Peterson. And of course, Peterson's team mate Mattias Tedenby is far better. But well, this kind of player can really entertain a crowd. You need so much more to be a success in NHL, but of course, Peterson is probably gonna be a big star in SEL.
Sandin is different. His hits are hard and he has great balance. Even big D-men have huge problems to take the puck from him, and his defensive game & work ethic is far better. Plus he has the other tools (skilled with the puck and good skating).
Sandin loves the high tempo, psysical games... Despite his small size, he's probably even better on small ice than on big. He has the attitude and the abilities.
Is Sandin more of an offensive guy? Or a defensive responsible grinder-type forward?
Sandin is different. His hits are hard and he has great balance. Even big D-men have huge problems to take the puck from him, and his defensive game & work ethic is far better. Plus he has the other tools (skilled with the puck and good skating).
Sandin loves the high tempo, psysical games... Despite his small size, he's probably even better on small ice than on big. He has the attitude and the abilities.
When we drafted him, I was intrigued. A late pick, overage, small. but everything I have heard from him has been extremely positive. I love hearing he has a physical side, I wasn't expecting it, sounds like he'd be able to adapt to the North American game easily. He's the 2008 draftee I'm most interested in, so I appreciate the comments on his play and hope you'll keep it up.
How similar is he to Dackell? A lot of what you have described sounds like Dackell
Dackell is not a psysical player and he's not a high tempo guy, he's an old man now you know. And he's extremely good in boxplay, probably the best player in the league there, but they are both very smart players who don't just give away the puck.
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Do you know if he has strong NHL aspirations?
I don't know, but probably. You swedish scout sounded enthusiastic when he talked about Sandin's NHL chances in the future, so obviously Sandin should be enthusiastic as well. He's a late bloomer and has never been hyped in Sweden, but I think that's good as he has always worked very hard and always wants to improve, unlike some other swedish prospects he understands he's not a world class player at the moment . He's very serious about his hockey and is not doing stupid **** off ice.
Murray is excited about young defencemen Erik Karlsson and Patrick Wiercioch, the club's first- and second-round draft selections last June, but the Senators will have to wait a year or two for them.
Karlsson, who is expected to play a major role for Sweden at the world junior tournament in Ottawa later this month, was recently named top defenceman at a Four Nations tournament in Europe. After being used sparingly by Frolunda in Sweden's top professional league, he was since been loaned to Boras, a second-tier squad, where he will be allowed to showcase his skating and offensive skills.
Good to hear that Erik Karlsson was voted best defenceman of the U20 4-Nations Tournament that happened in November. However, Murray believes that Wiercioch is closer to the NHL based on his size. What a good way to start off the day by reading this.
Hopefully they don't rush Wiercioch. Consider that he wasn't even supposed to be playing in the NCAA this year originally. He still has to fill out a ton, and another year or two at DU wouldn't hurt his development at all.
Hopefully they don't rush Wiercioch. Consider that he wasn't even supposed to be playing in the NCAA this year originally. He still has to fill out a ton, and another year or two at DU wouldn't hurt his development at all.
you selfish *******... you just want wiecioch to yourself in denver.
Seriously though, at least one more year in college is probably necessary. After next season, he may decide to sign a pro contract and finish the year in binghamton.
Hopefully they don't rush Wiercioch. Consider that he wasn't even supposed to be playing in the NCAA this year originally. He still has to fill out a ton, and another year or two at DU wouldn't hurt his development at all.
I'm not the type that often has a lot of nice things to say about Murray (the "beautiful man" in caption originally had a picture of John Muckler to go with it) but if there's one thing I trust him to do right, its handle college players.
And wow, I'm really surprised Wiercioch is 195 pounds already. Murray says he'll be 210 in a year or two, do you guys think that's his final playing weight? I would have loved to see a 230 pound dman with Wiercioch's offensive talents.
I'm not the type that often has a lot of nice things to say about Murray (the "beautiful man" in caption originally had a picture of John Muckler to go with it) but if there's one thing I trust him to do right, its handle college players.
And wow, I'm really surprised Wiercioch is 195 pounds already. Murray says he'll be 210 in a year or two, do you guys think that's his final playing weight? I would have loved to see a 230 pound dman with Wiercioch's offensive talents.
Tough to combine both though. He relies on his mobility right, so getting him up to 230 may compromise the agility of his frame. 6'4" 210 sounds great to me. Matthias Karlsson on the other hand, he I would like to see slowly get up to 225 ish
Tough to combine both though. He relies on his mobility right, so getting him up to 230 may compromise the agility of his frame. 6'4" 210 sounds great to me. Matthias Karlsson on the other hand, he I would like to see slowly get up to 225 ish
Derek Grant with another 2 goal performance. He now has 48pts in 24 games. Hes 12 pts back from first place, but hes also played 9 games less.
Grant seems to be the best offensive player in his league. Hard to do better. Hopefully he continues to impress and his game translate well to the NCAA next year and maybe we could have him in Bingo in 2 or 3 years...
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Update on Erik Karlsson and Patrick Wiercioch.
Murray high on future
Murray is excited about young defencemen Erik Karlsson and Patrick Wiercioch, the club's first- and second-round draft selections last June, but the Senators will have to wait a year or two for them.
Karlsson, who is expected to play a major role for Sweden at the world junior tournament in Ottawa later this month, was recently named top defenceman at a Four Nations tournament in Europe. After being used sparingly by Frolunda in Sweden's top professional league, he was since been loaned to Boras, a second-tier squad, where he will be allowed to showcase his skating and offensive skills.
Good to hear that Erik Karlsson was voted best defenceman of the U20 4-Nations Tournament that happened in November. However, Murray believes that Wiercioch is closer to the NHL based on his size. What a good way to start off the day by reading this.
Really nice, but i tought Karlsson was a bust reading on Fuhr's comments...
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I'm not the type that often has a lot of nice things to say about Murray (the "beautiful man" in caption originally had a picture of John Muckler to go with it) but if there's one thing I trust him to do right, its handle college players.
And wow, I'm really surprised Wiercioch is 195 pounds already. Murray says he'll be 210 in a year or two, do you guys think that's his final playing weight? I would have loved to see a 230 pound dman with Wiercioch's offensive talents.
That's just ridiculous, I really hope he fills out and becomes a steal in the next few years.
I wonder if Wiercioch won't become my favorite prospect before the end of the season.
. He's very serious about his hockey and is not doing stupid **** off ice.
