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As A flyer fan I would not want Federov here...Not great defensively and won't fit in Hitchs system.
This post has already been beaten to death, but I still feel obliged to chime in. Yes, he got all those Selke awards for nothing, even when he wasn't scoring much, he would still help defensively for the Wings.
The Handzus line has been the Flyers best for the last 15+ games. Dealing Handzus for Fedorov isn't even a lateral move. It would greatly damage the Flyers with regards to chemistry and salary. Right now I wouldn't deal Handzus for Fedorov straight up even if Roenick retires.
It would damage chemistry, but Fedorov for $30 million over 4 years is pretty much a bargain. And while Zeus' line has been the Flyers' best, Fedorov has been one of the NHL's best players for the last 15+ games.
That said, I don't think Philly would have enough to grabs Feds, as they don't want to give up Gagne, Handzus or Pitkanen.
It would damage chemistry, but Fedorov for $30 million over 4 years is pretty much a bargain. And while Zeus' line has been the Flyers' best, Fedorov has been one of the NHL's best players for the last 15+ games.
30 mil over 4 isn't anywhere near a bargain. That's great, but I still wouldn't want to see Zues dealt for Feds.
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Originally Posted by ducksflytogether
That said, I don't think Philly would have enough to grabs Feds
I agree, they've dealt away most of their high round picks and some prospects already this season.
These are the kind of people who think Clarke is a bad gm...now I can see why.
I am not sure you are talking to me, I think he does a decent job.
My comment was sarcasm.
A deal for another center would have to take guys from off of the roster given the injury situation was the point there.
I'd love to see Fedorov in a Flyers uniform,but it will take moving a decent,lower salary player to complete the deal,with a prospect included. The prospect being Carter,and the young forward being Gagne. Does anyone want to see Fed's in Flyer orange that badly?......hmmmmmm,I'm thinking. Will Anna K. show up at any of the games in Philly?
It would damage chemistry, but Fedorov for $30 million over 4 years is pretty much a bargain. And while Zeus' line has been the Flyers' best, Fedorov has been one of the NHL's best players for the last 15+ games.
That said, I don't think Philly would have enough to grabs Feds, as they don't want to give up Gagne, Handzus or Pitkanen.
Not exactly a bargain. Thats what he was worth on the free market. In fact, 29 other teams thought he wasnt worth that much money, which is why he is in Annaheim right now. You cant expect to sign a free agent and turn around and trade him for a top young player. Fedorov is not having a good year. Certainly not worth the 8 mil or so he would cost in salary, especially since those years are all going to be in the post CBA.
If the Ducks move Fedorov, it will be a pure salary dump by a team who's management has always been reticent to spend money. After going to the finals, they opened the purse strings a bit (after failing to qualify Kariya), and now are not even going to make the playoffs. Without that revenue, they can not expect to cover their expenses. Disney can not afford to lose very much money right now. They might well jump at the chance if they can find a team willing to take on that salary (and there arent many that can, the only reason Philly may be able to is because of the Roenick injury situation).
Are you serious? Fedorov is one of most dynamic players in the NHL, EASY. His offensive is incredible and his defense is nearly par too. Hell, the guy played D for a little while when he was under Bowman. He would fit in Hitch's system. He would fit even moreso then any player the Flyers have. He would be the type of player to build a defensive system around.
Since the Ducks may be selling Fedorov..... Detroit needs to fill Fedorov's hole. Why not try and get him back? Any chances of that?
I assure you Fedorov will not be dealt,he is happy here,he is looked at by the players as a leader he gets along with everyone. Next year the Ducks payroll goes down quite a bit by smart money management by Bryan Murray.
We have a 5 year window to win and Fedorov and Giguere will be the two pieces that will be the guys to take us there if we want to get anywhere IMO.
My proposals are basically a way of saying you have to drastically overpay and even then I doubt it...after his slow start he has 24 points the last 20 games.
This is a new NHL and I said we'd get bent over...Sharp, Vandy or Seidenberg, and a 2nd may be overpaying when you consider Feds' $ tag. Not like you'll get to win a cup with him in the next 2 seasons anyways. Now, if there was a 65% chance of seeing NHL Hockey next year, this wouldn't be considered a good deal. As it stands, no one is going to give up Pitkanen, let alone Pitkanen +. I can see if JR is out long term giving up Mike Richards in a package...you'll not see Pitkanen in ANY offer. Whoops sorry, didn't realize Carney was listed there also. Seems "fair" but way too much turnover...disrupts chemistry with less than 30 games. Still no Pitkanen though...think salary dump Ducks. That would be the only reason you'd drop a player of Feds' calibre anyways.
The Ducks have absolutely no salary troubles,a recent LA times article said the payroll was 48 million minus the signing bonus...which is similar to what it'd be next season,as for this 2 seasons thing,he said he intended on fullfilling his entire contract so I think its likely he will be here for 5 years, as I said earlier,the players,coaching staff and fans like him. He is red hot right now as he has learned the system.
Not exactly a bargain. Thats what he was worth on the free market. In fact, 29 other teams thought he wasnt worth that much money, which is why he is in Annaheim right now. You cant expect to sign a free agent and turn around and trade him for a top young player. Fedorov is not having a good year. Certainly not worth the 8 mil or so he would cost in salary, especially since those years are all going to be in the post CBA.
If the Ducks move Fedorov, it will be a pure salary dump by a team who's management has always been reticent to spend money. After going to the finals, they opened the purse strings a bit (after failing to qualify Kariya), and now are not even going to make the playoffs. Without that revenue, they can not expect to cover their expenses. Disney can not afford to lose very much money right now. They might well jump at the chance if they can find a team willing to take on that salary (and there arent many that can, the only reason Philly may be able to is because of the Roenick injury situation).
After his slow start he has caught fire,since January 17th he is 5th in the NHL in scoring...and everyones favorite whipping Boy Vinny Prospal is 2nd.
As A flyer fan I would not want Federov here...Not great defensively and won't fit in Hitchs system.
is this the same Fedorov that was consitered one of the best 2 way forwards when he was in Detroit? he to me is a perfect guy to have in Hitch's system. In fact he would learn it quicker then just about any player the Flyers do pick up if they do in fact have to replace JR.
I am not sure you are talking to me, I think he does a decent job.
My comment was sarcasm.
A deal for another center would have to take guys from off of the roster given the injury situation was the point there.
No, my bad...I was referring to the post you quoted. "Fire Bobby Clarke," was the poster. Sorry Rex, I got your point.
No one has ever been better suited to play forward in Hitchcock's system than Fedorov. The only concern would be stroking his ego while focusing on defense.
He's so strong defensively, that Scotty Bowman used to play him on defense on occassion. Not just on the point of the PP, but at 5 on 5. Most forwards would get embarassed in such a situation, but Fedorov performed well as A DEFENSEMAN.
He didn't like doing it because it took away his chance to post offensive numbers and thus earn fatter contracts, but he has played defense before.
Regardless the Flyers don't need an overrated has been.
The Ducks have absolutely no salary troubles,a recent LA times article said the payroll was 48 million minus the signing bonus...which is similar to what it'd be next season,as for this 2 seasons thing,he said he intended on fullfilling his entire contract so I think its likely he will be here for 5 years, as I said earlier,the players,coaching staff and fans like him. He is red hot right now as he has learned the system.
The whole NHL has salary troubles right now. I guess what I'm trying to say is: would the ducks be better off dumping the big salary in case of a long work stoppage while garnering some young talent for a great player who can do nothing for them after this season's playoffs start? Especially when we don't have a clue if there'll be NHL hockey after this season.I understand that no one would want to give up on a Fedorov calibre player but is he gonna be any good to you post March?
I know it's not worth much considering it's coming from Bobby Clark but he said he does not plan to trade to fill JR's spot. I seriously doubt he can afford to make any more moves. When you look at it like so the flyers are an older team when you look at there big core of players. They can't keep dealing all these prospects and picks because they will end up in the same boat Toronto was in before Quinn went to Toronto in that the prospect cabinet was bare and the team really had no direction.
He is a top player, but what exactly did you give up to get him? Nothing. You didnt draft him or trade for him. He was signed as a free agent. Getting two decent prospects for him is basically getting two decent prospects for free. The fact that the Ducks are out of the playoffs, and he makes 10$ mil a year according to the NHLPA, makes him a player that the Ducks would likely want to get rid of to save money.
wow. That makes so much sense.
So, let me ask: How about you trade Roenick then, i mean hell, you didn't give up anything for the guy, so he's worth what, 2 mid-level prospects?
I mean come on, 2 mid-level prospects for Roenick? Thats an overpayment almost. Cause you didn't "draft him or trade for him. He was signed as a free agent." His value should be nill on the open market, damn, trade him while you can get something for him.
(Post made with Roenick's injury not taken into account)
I twould take me to long to read all the posts that proved me wrong
I never really watched Detroit play much so I had no idea he apparently is a good defensive froward. That being said he makes way mto much money for a player who is on the down side of his career and I just don't think Philly would be the right atmosphere for him.
