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06-24-2008, 05:09 PM
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Free Agency Rumors

figured we could use this thread to talk about general FA talk.

Klein, Koistinen, Grant(new guy), Peverley were all qualified, and according to the Tennessean, the Preds are not qualifying Bochenski, Vigilante, or Grumet-Morris.

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06-24-2008, 05:27 PM
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Why the hell did we not qualify Vigilante???

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Why the hell did we not qualify Vigilante???
I didn't see anything that made me feel like we should have. He was a grinder, at best, even at the AHL level. Guys like that are a dime a dozen.

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I didn't see anything that made me feel like we should have. He was a grinder, at best, even at the AHL level. Guys like that are a dime a dozen.
And yet we qualified Ellison and Peverley...

Vigilante showed tangible improvement this year, partly because he stayed healthy. I thought he was a great depth guy and unless he was just a total buttmunch I would see no reason not to hang on to him.


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We need a winger. We have to move a defenseman to do it. We have two options here:

1) Trade Zidlicky for a winger
2) Trade one of Klein/Koistenen and sign a guy like Brunette to fill the wing position....

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06-24-2008, 07:33 PM
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We need a winger. We have to move a defenseman to do it. We have two options here:

1) Trade Zidlicky for a winger
2) Trade one of Klein/Koistenen and sign a guy like Brunette to fill the wing position....
Vigilante was a winger.

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Vigilante was a winger.
Okay CrazyCrawfish.

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Okay CrazyCrawfish.
No, if I was the Crawfish I would be telling you about how Vigilante will sign with Detroit and play all six positions at once under a coach that is lightyears ahead of that macaroon of a coach we have, all the while complaining about how much people love sweet little Sutsey, Hammy, Zidsey, Kleiney, and Koistineney, even though there really isn't all that much so-called hero worship going on. And then when you tried to tell me that there is no hero worship going on, I would twist your words to make it sound like you actually are worshipping all the smurfs and then talk about how amazing Henry and Yonkman are and how stupid Trotz and Poile are for never letting them play in the NHL and how they could go somewhere else and be top pairing defensemen.

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Wellwood (waivers) and Tucker (buyout) have both been forcibly removed from Leaf nation. I think both bear looking at. Wellwood could be a cheap top 6 solution, Tucker (if he has anything left) could be a gritty addition to this team...

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Wellwood has no work ethic and is WAY out of shape.

I'd take Tucker for two years, though. He busts his butt every night and has some degree of hockey skill.

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Okay back to hockey.

How much more are the Leafs going to kick to the curb? Would they actually be looking to get rid of the kind of player we are looking for and would they be interested in our young D? I would think they would be interested considering they are re-building but would they want to get rid of the forward we need?

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06-24-2008, 10:45 PM
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Sign me up for the Darcy Tucker camp. he's one of my favorite pests, and hopefully he could show Tootoo a thing or two about rounding out his game. If we could get him for around 2 mil per year, I'd be happy with that.

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Okay back to hockey.

How much more are the Leafs going to kick to the curb? Would they actually be looking to get rid of the kind of player we are looking for and would they be interested in our young D? I would think they would be interested considering they are re-building but would they want to get rid of the forward we need?
The only two forwards that are any account that TO might move are Antropov and Ponikarovsky. Both could likely be had for just Klein or Klein and a mid-round pick.

Poni is a natrual winger who scored 20 goals the first two years after the lockout and scored 18 in 66 games last year. He's a solid 40-45 point guy but 20 of those are usually goals. It's kinda hard to tell though if Sundin is the one influencing his point totals or if he can do that without Mats as his center. Making $2.24M this year and $2.5M next year.

Antro didn't miss significant time with injury for the first time since 02-03 and played pretty well... but therein lies the problem: he's EXTREMELY injury prone. He's versatile, though (can play both wing and center) and is probably a better player than Ponikarovsky... but he's a high-maintainence player and not someone we'd want, IMO. Makes $2.15M this year and is a UFA next July.

They could think about moving Blake as well, but he's 35 and under contract until 2012 (longest contract on the team).

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Tucker would be a great addition for this team. Not a great player, but he would be an upgrade over Hordichuk - a scrapper who can actually contribute in the points column. He would also be valuable in the playoffs (if we make it).

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The only two forwards that are any account that TO might move are Antropov and Ponikarovsky. Both could likely be had for just Klein or Klein and a mid-round pick.

Poni is a natrual winger who scored 20 goals the first two years after the lockout and scored 18 in 66 games last year. He's a solid 40-45 point guy but 20 of those are usually goals. It's kinda hard to tell though if Sundin is the one influencing his point totals or if he can do that without Mats as his center. Making $2.24M this year and $2.5M next year.

Antro didn't miss significant time with injury for the first time since 02-03 and played pretty well... but therein lies the problem: he's EXTREMELY injury prone. He's versatile, though (can play both wing and center) and is probably a better player than Ponikarovsky... but he's a high-maintainence player and not someone we'd want, IMO. Makes $2.15M this year and is a UFA next July.

They could think about moving Blake as well, but he's 35 and under contract until 2012 (longest contract on the team).

Antropov would demand more than Klein in return, especially coming off a great season. Blake is one of the worst contracts in the league, at this point.

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Any word on Gelinas? I'd assume that he is done except the Preds seemed to love him and he was in great shape. Also Hlavac had a solid year-end for us but I assume he isn't in the plans... unless there is no other free agent/trade deal for a top 6 forward (or a forward to play in our top 6 may be a better way to describe it).

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Any word on Gelinas? I'd assume that he is done except the Preds seemed to love him and he was in great shape. Also Hlavac had a solid year-end for us but I assume he isn't in the plans... unless there is no other free agent/trade deal for a top 6 forward (or a forward to play in our top 6 may be a better way to describe it).
that seems to happen to every team he gets traded to ... I wonder why?

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I'd rather pass on both.

What does everyone think of taking a low-risk shot at Bertuzzi, who is on waivers?

It's just a one year deal...

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I'd rather not be the next in the long line of teams that thought Bertuzzi could help us be better...Panthers, Ducks and Wings being the most recent examples that learned the hard way. Make Trotz kiss up to Brunette before that.

I agree on Gelinas and Hlavac btw... I'd rather see Wilson show up or try Horqvist on the 2nd line or sign someone... or ... something...

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that seems to happen to every team he gets traded to ... I wonder why?
Maybe his style of play leads to him not sustaining as many bumps and bruises over a season, so he's relatively stronger at the end. I don't know much about him but he looked like he brought his game most nights. I didn't see just a "contract player".

Without adding someone, someone good, at forward, I can't see the team being any stronger. Bonk is 32 and at his best was ok. Can he repeat?

Dumont is 30, and seemed to fall off badly the last third of the season and playoffs. Can he have another good year? I hate to count on it as first line stuff, but he did play on a line that clicked for a while.

Arnott, you know what you get, solid second line center play. Early in the year he looked first line but then he or his line didn't produce for a long time when we needed them. So second liner who plays the first.

Legwand, you know what you get, only a fair 2nd/3rd line scorer, but a good two-way center. If he has one more good linemate he may have his best year in scoring.

Tootoo, Fiddler, ok in spot play, not much upside.

Man, it'll suck if we don't add someone with impact. Hornqvist? I don't know him. Maybe he's enough but I sure hope for more.

If both Hornqvist and Wilson make the club, I'm not worried about free agents. The club would be better. If neither, or only Hornqvist, then they should have room to add somebody.

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Well, you only cover 1/3 of the equation. I tend to agree with you on that part but do you think the D will be no better than last year-- I would think Weber and Suter are continuing to improve at a minimum. Our 6th D should be better and I think Hamhuis may still be improving.

As to goaltending, we would have had a higher seed with halfway decent and consistent goaltending. It may not improve next year but we better hope ot does if we want to have a chance of making it back to the PO's. That is the great unknown on this team IMO.

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Yeah. That's true. I do expect the defense to be better, both in their own end and at scoring.

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Well, you only cover 1/3 of the equation. I tend to agree with you on that part but do you think the D will be no better than last year-- I would think Weber and Suter are continuing to improve at a minimum. Our 6th D should be better and I think Hamhuis may still be improving.

As to goaltending, we would have had a higher seed with halfway decent and consistent goaltending. It may not improve next year but we better hope ot does if we want to have a chance of making it back to the PO's. That is the great unknown on this team IMO.
One thing that has to be remembered about Hamhuis is that until he two(or three?) years ago he was never asked to play that stay at home style. Because of that I think we are still watching him develop.

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One thing that has to be remembered about Hamhuis is that until he two(or three?) years ago he was never asked to play that stay at home style. Because of that I think we are still watching him develop.
He's still a relatively young guy. Remember that the upcoming season will only be his 5th NHL season and he's just moving into that age/experience level where defensemen start to flourish. I expect to see Hamhuis become the clear leader of the defense this year.

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Hammer is hands down our best D-man, had a rough spell this season but still is our most consistant D.

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