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Round 2, pick #51 - Rangers select C Derek Stepan (Shat.-St. Mary's, High-MN)

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06-24-2008, 10:59 AM
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I can't say for sure, but I have a hard time believing Olver was as developed physically/mentally/skilled as Stepan at this point in Stepan's development. I have a feeling Stepan isn't going to be like our previous offensive NCAA flops.
I think it also matters what program they go to. Northern Michigan, Olver's alma mater, is not on the same level as Wisconsin is.

Note: ok, so the above point was made a few posts earlier, but it still stands.

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I can't say for sure, but I have a hard time believing Olver was as developed physically/mentally/skilled as Stepan at this point in Stepan's development. I have a feeling Stepan isn't going to be like our previous offensive NCAA flops.
I would like to think that too. Like I said, I do like the fact he was at Shattuck and is headed to Wisconsin.

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I think it also matters what program they go to. Northern Michigan, Olver's alma mater, is not on the same level as Wisconsin is.
Sometimes it doesnt matter. Rob Blake went to Bowling Green, Adam Oates went to RPI - a good player is good no matter where he plays. Good coaching helps advance certain players though, thats why we hope he gets a good education at Wisconsin.

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Sometimes it doesnt matter. Rob Blake went to Bowling Green, Adam Oates went to RPI - a good player is good no matter where he plays. Good coaching helps advance certain players though, thats why we hope he gets a good education at Wisconsin.
My brother went to RPI.

Big hockey school.

Houston Field House is a nice arena, too.

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My brother went to RPI.

Big hockey school.

Houston Field House is a nice arena, too.
i live abot 15 minutes away from RPI when i go home from school.....the field house is tiny but it gets super loud in there

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Sometimes it doesnt matter. Rob Blake went to Bowling Green, Adam Oates went to RPI - a good player is good no matter where he plays. Good coaching helps advance certain players though, thats why we hope he gets a good education at Wisconsin.
True, but Blake and Oates (don't fogret Joe Juneau!) are far and away the exception. RPI went through an unusual period of producing NHL level talent they haven't seen since. NCAA hockey programs have changed a lot since those guys were in school. The top tier NCAA programs know that they have to compete with the major junior leagues, and have altered their programs in the past few years to be more pro-like.

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My brother went to RPI.

Big hockey school.

Houston Field House is a nice arena, too.
Big ECAC Hockey school, but they haven't done squat since I graduated from Union 15 years ago.

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My brother went to RPI.

Big hockey school.

Houston Field House is a nice arena, too.
Heh. So did mine. Just graduated last month actually.

RPI had a very good hockey program in the 80s, and turned out a number of NHLers, including Oates and Calder runner-up Joe Juneau. Recently, not so much. But there's a new athletic director in place who's trying to return the program to its former glory.

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Heh. So did mine. Just graduated last month actually.

RPI had a very good hockey program in the 80s, and turned out a number of NHLers, including Oates and Calder runner-up Joe Juneau. Recently, not so much. But there's a new athletic director in place who's trying to return the program to its former glory.
Congrats to your brother! Its a big accomplishment, RPI is a great school.

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Congrats to your brother! Its a big accomplishment, RPI is a great school.
Thanks. I taught him everything he knows.

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Stepan looks very good.

I'm excited about his development.

He looks like he could jump right into pro hockey.

Despite his only being 168 he looks very strong on his skates.

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True, but Blake and Oates (don't fogret Joe Juneau!) are far and away the exception. RPI went through an unusual period of producing NHL level talent they haven't seen since. NCAA hockey programs have changed a lot since those guys were in school. The top tier NCAA programs know that they have to compete with the major junior leagues, and have altered their programs in the past few years to be more pro-like.
Jesus, cant a guy just use an example without it being molecularly dissected around here

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Stepan looks very good.

I'm excited about his development.

He looks like he could jump right into pro hockey.

Despite his only being 168 he looks very strong on his skates.
Come on now, this is why guys like me go crazy about the hypsters around here - you see one piece of video and all of a sudden the kid is at the pro level

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Come on now, this is why guys like me go crazy about the hypsters around here - you see one piece of video and all of a sudden the kid is at the pro level
Well, if he can keep up with other pro level players, i don't see why what i said is so horrible.

Obviously he won't be pro for another couple of years.

His skill level is quite high.

And his skating, especially, is there.

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Jesus, cant a guy just use an example without it being molecularly dissected around here
LOL, not in the off season! You could've come up with some examples that weren't from the original six era.

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LOL, not in the off season! You could've come up with some examples that weren't from the original six era.

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I liked the Stepan pick. The school he comes from has quite the reputation and after watching his prospect video today on the Rangers home page, he looks like a speedy winger with could stick skills.

I'm a little concerned that he's going to the NCAA, with what has happened with our other prospects that have taken that road. But he could develop into a speedy 2nd line center/winger.

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I liked the Stepan pick. The school he comes from has quite the reputation and after watching his prospect video today on the Rangers home page, he looks like a speedy winger with could stick skills.

I'm a little concerned that he's going to the NCAA, with what has happened with our other prospects that have taken that road. But he could develop into a speedy 2nd line center/winger.
true...but even more so, no recent ranger prospect i can think of besides carl hagelin has gone to such a good hockey school.

usually our guys go to ecac, western michigan, etc, which is all a step below wisconsin, michigan, north dakota, etc.

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true...but even more so, no recent ranger prospect i can think of besides carl hagelin has gone to such a good hockey school.

usually our guys go to ecac, western michigan, etc, which is all a step below wisconsin, michigan, north dakota, etc.
Al Montoya...

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Al Montoya...
haha, but to his defense, he played well at michigan, it was really whe nhe got to the ahl is when he plateaued

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haha, but to his defense, he played well at michigan, it was really whe nhe got to the ahl is when he plateaued
true.

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haha, but to his defense, he played well at michigan, it was really whe nhe got to the ahl is when he plateaued
Not sure he really plateaued so much as he didn't have anywhere to go with Lundqvist as the #1. Well, that, and injuries

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Not sure he really plateaued so much as he didn't have anywhere to go with Lundqvist as the #1. Well, that, and injuries
yea, but he always seemed to do well, but never dominate which wouldve forced the rangers hand earlier is what i meant by that

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Montoya also left Michigan too early. He really should've stayed the entire 4 years.

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