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05-27-2008, 07:28 PM
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Present Canucks Organization Asset Breakdaown - FYI

Posted for informational purposes...


Here' a quick summary on the Canucks organization for those interested.

Ownership, Senior Management and Management
Coaching Staff, Scouting Staff, Training and Medical Staff

(Updated now..)

Cap numbers from NHL numbers:

Sedin (3.6) - Sedin (3.6) - A
Raymond (.89) - Wellwood (RFA) - C
Burrows (.48) - Kesler - (1.8) - Pyatt (1.6)
Pettinger (1.0) - Cowan (.73) - D / E
NHL Forwards - 8/13 = $13.7 million

On the farm - Shannon (RFA), Rypien (RFA), Hansen (.51), Brown (RFA), Jaffray (.49)
UFAs - Naslund, Morrison, Linden, Ritchie, Isbister

Bieksa (3.8), Mitchell (3.5), Ohlund (3.5), Salo (3.5), Krajicek (1.1), Edler (.55) / F
(Bourdon (RIP))
NHL Dmen - 6/7 = $16 million

On the Farm - McIver (RFA), Fitzgerald (.53)
UFAs - Miller, Weaver

Luongo (6.8) / G
Goalies - 1/2 = $6.8 million

On the Farm - MacIntyre (RFA), Schnieder
UFA - Sanford (UFA)

NHL contracts - 15 players = $36.5 million
Buyout - Chouinard (.37)
Approximate Commitment = $36.9 million
Approximate Cap Space = $19 million

Additional Prospect pool - RW-Grabner, RW-Simek, C-White, D-Ellington, LW-Kablukov, RW-Gendur, LW-Labrie, LW-Shirokov, C-Messier, C-Bliznak, G-Ellis, C-Butcher, D-Fredheim, C- Hodgson, D- Sauve, LW- Rai, G- Clarke, C- Froshaug

Draft Pick Assets
2008 - 1st (#10), 2nd, 5th, 6th, 7th
2009 - all 7 picks, Plus an unknown LA pick when they signed Cloutier.
2010 - all 7 picks


There will be some variance with the depth chart, so consider it just a guideline... i.e. (EDIT) 1 or 2 of the youngens may surprise at camp etc, etc...

But the above info gives you a good picture of the Assets Mike Gillis will be working with...


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But the above info gives you a good picture of the Assets Mike Gillis will be working with...
Not a whole hell of a lot to work with, IMO.

Great job putting this together by the way.

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Effort much appreciated, Thanks!!

Looking at this, I can't wait for the off-season.

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Not a whole hell of a lot to work with, IMO.

Great job putting this together by the way.
But a whole lot of cap space.

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I thought they still had their 2nd round pick...

edit: That site has the 2nds for 2007 and 2008 traded to LA for Sopel... I think that may be an error and the nucks still have their 2nd, no?

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But a whole lot of cap space.
A team can't fully be built from a Free Agent market. Come on you're smarter than that.

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Not a whole hell of a lot to work with, IMO.
That's what she said.

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A team can't fully be built from a Free Agent market. Come on you're smarter than that.
we have around 18 million dollars in cap space to sign 4 players.

Doesent sound like we are rebuilding, but more like filling up the roster room. Or adding more spice to the what we already have.

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While it is true that you don't want to build a team through free agency. But I think any smart GM will explore all his options to make his team better. Whether that be trades, RFA's, UFA's, or drafting. We've got the money and cap space available. And I would be disappointed if we didn't land one of these high profile free agents, even if the free agent crop isn't as good as we originally had thought it would be.

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Some smart additions can certainly help a team change their momentum. Look at Philly this year. Guys like Timonen, Briere, and Hartnell were part of the soul of the team all season. We might have some heart and soul guys ready to be added as well, on July 1.

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"Breakdaown"?



Anyways...

Almost positive that the Canucks have their 2nd rounder for this year. I remember Vancouver having 3 second rounders last year, with two being traded (one for Smoke, one for Sopes) plus a 4th to LA in 2008.

Unless I am completely missing something I believe Vancouver has every one of their picks except for the 4th rounder.

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Posted for informational puposes, since many are posting gibberish based on 'facts' unknown.
Just a couple of corrections:

1) The Canucks have their 2nd round 2008 pick - in the Brent Sopel trade LA elected to recieve the Anaheim 2nd round pick (61st overall, LA selected Wayne Simmonds) that Vancouver got for allowing Anaheim to sign Randy Carlyle.
2) Drew MacIntyre is a Group VI UFA

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2) Drew MacIntyre is a Group VI UFA

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are you sure about that? nhlnumbers.com has him listed as a RFA, and I have yet to see a mistake on that site with contract status??

I see he's listed as a UFA on IB's website.... anyone have a link to the text from the CBA which would clarify this?

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Bieksa (3.8), Mitchell (3.5), Ohlund (3.5), Salo (3.5), Krajicek (1.1), Edler (.55), Bourdon (1.3)
NHL Dmen - 7/7 = $17.3 million

On the Farm - McIver (RFA), Fitzgerald (.53)
UFAs - Miller, Weaver

There will be some variance with the depth chart, so consider it just a guideline... i.e. Boudon would probably spend the yr on the farm, opening up a spot for veteran D depth.... and 1 or 2 of the youngens may surprise at camp etc, etc...
I think it's a mistake not to bring Bourdon to the next level. The experience he needs can only be found in the NHL. I would move one of Bieksa or Krajicek and pick up a vet to sub in. IE. Weaver, Miller etc.

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Bieksa (3.8)

I am assuming you are averaging out his salary based upon its length because the cap hit for this coming season is actually $4.250 million, $3.5, $3.5...which has me a bit worried - especially after seeing his play this past season (which I admit he was hurt for most of).

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Bieksa (3.8)

I am assuming you are averaging out his salary based upon its length because the cap hit for this coming season is actually $4.250 million, $3.5, $3.5...which has me a bit worried - especially after seeing his play this past season (which I admit he was hurt for most of).
His cap hit is $3.75M for the life of the contract, but his actual salary for next season is $4.25M.

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are you sure about that? nhlnumbers.com has him listed as a RFA, and I have yet to see a mistake on that site with contract status??

I see he's listed as a UFA on IB's website.... anyone have a link to the text from the CBA which would clarify this?
CBA 10.1(c) Group 6 Free Agents:

25 years or older + 3 professional seasons + less than 28 (for goalies) NHL games

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CBA 10.1(c) Group 6 Free Agents:

25 years or older + 3 professional seasons + less than 28 (for goalies) NHL games

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is that 25 YO as of June 1st or July 1st? MacIntyre turns 25 June 24th?

what is the cut-off mark for "professional seasons" played for goalies? MacIntyre has played in 2 seasons with over 40 games, has one more at 24 games, and 1 more at 13 games in the AHL.

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is that 25 YO as of June 1st or July 1st? MacIntyre turns 25 June 24th?

what is the cut-off mark for "professional seasons" played for goalies? MacIntyre has played in 2 seasons with over 40 games, has one more at 24 games, and 1 more at 13 games in the AHL.
Free agency date is July 1st as with most of the other free agent categories, and the Group 6 minimum games played is 11 in a season to qualify as a pro season. So MacIntyre is UFA.

It remains to be seen whether he wants to sign on for a shot at Vancouver back-up, or if there will be a better offer for him out there after July 1st.

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I think it's a mistake not to bring Bourdon to the next level. The experience he needs can only be found in the NHL. I would move one of Bieksa or Krajicek and pick up a vet to sub in. IE. Weaver, Miller etc.
I agree. I'm not sure why so many want to keep Bourdon on the farm for another season, that is a waste of time IMO. He was great in his limited NHL time last season, it's time to take the next step. The over-sheltering of prospects on this board is funny.

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I agree. I'm not sure why so many want to keep Bourdon on the farm for another season, that is a waste of time IMO. He was great in his limited NHL time last season, it's time to take the next step. The over-sheltering of prospects on this board is funny.
Personally, I want to keep him "on the farm" next season because it will be only a matter of time until someone on the big club is injured and he's playing here anyways.

If he's at 6 on the depth chart, that means we'll have McIver or other Moosemeat as fixtures in the lineup when we start seeing injuries, and I don't really want that.

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His cap hit is $3.75M for the life of the contract, but his actual salary for next season is $4.25M.
So the cap hit for any given player is his total contract salary divided by the number of years it runs?? Got to say...I did not know that. I missed that some how. Thanks Peter...

I am not sure if Bieska is our best d-man on our team but he is sure being payed that way. He had one stellar season and the Canucks rushed to lock him up long term...in hindsight you have to wonder if they threw too much money at him. But then again...compare his contract and stats with others of his ilk and maybe the Canucks are getting off cheap??? Not sure though...

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I agree. I'm not sure why so many want to keep Bourdon on the farm for another season, that is a waste of time IMO. He was great in his limited NHL time last season, it's time to take the next step. The over-sheltering of prospects on this board is funny.
He was decent - but I wouldn't call him great. He played a "simple game" when up with the Canucks this past season. My problem is that he really didn't play all that well on the Moose this past season (where he was, I assume, asked to play a more complete game). Unlike Edler, who was one of the better "D" on the Moose.


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*** Lock or merge if deamed unworthy of its own thread... or redundant.
Posted for informational puposes, since many are posting gibberish based on 'facts' unknown.


Here' a quick summary on the Canucks organization for those interested.

Cap numbers from NHL numbers:
Sedin (3.6) - Sedin (3.6) - A
Raymond (.89) - B - C
Burrows (.48) - Kesler - (1.8) - Pyatt (1.6)
Pettinger (1.0) - Cowan (.73) - D / E
NHL Forwards - 8/13 = $13.7 million

On the farm - Shannon (RFA), Rypien (RFA), Hansen (.51), Brown (RFA), Jaffray (.49)
UFAs - Naslund, Morrison, Linden, Ritchie, Isbister

Bieksa (3.8), Mitchell (3.5), Ohlund (3.5), Salo (3.5), Krajicek (1.1), Edler (.55), Bourdon (1.3)
NHL Dmen - 7/7 = $17.3 million

On the Farm - McIver (RFA), Fitzgerald (.53)
UFAs - Miller, Weaver

Luongo (6.8)
Goalies - 1/2 = $6.8 million
MacIntyre (RFA)
Sanford (UFA)

NHL contracts - 16 players = $37.8 million
Buyout - Chouinard (.37)
Approximate Commitment = $38.2 million

Additional Prospect pool - G-Schnieder, RW-Grabner, RW-Simek, C-White, D-Ellington, LW-Kablukov, RW-Gendur, LW-Labrie, LW-Shirokov, C-Messier, C-Bliznak, G-Ellis, C-Butcher, D-Fredheim

Draft Pick Assets
2008 - 1st (#10), 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th
2009 - all 7 picks, Plus an unknown LA pick when they signed Cloutier.
2010 - all 7 picks


There will be some variance with the depth chart, so consider it just a guideline... i.e. Boudon would probably spend the yr on the farm, opening up a spot for veteran D depth.... and 1 or 2 of the youngens may surprise at camp etc, etc...

But the above info gives you a good picture of the Assets Mike Gillis will be working with...
Looking at this no wonder Nonis was fired, how could he say we were
one or two moves away from a cup.
Thanks for the effort puts things in perspective

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So has it been confirmed that the site is wrong and we actually own our 2nd round pick this yr? I'll make an edit for now, but i would like to hear with maybe a reference. the one reference i found stated we don't have it... altho it's just a blog.

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