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02-16-2004, 03:19 PM
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Isn't it about time?

That a D-man wins the scoring race in the NHL? The position HAS changed the last, say, decade, to where every tream has offensive defensemen. It's surprising that not one offensive minded D-man has even come close. Will a D-man EVER win the Art Ross Trophy again?????

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That a D-man wins the scoring race in the NHL? The position HAS changed the last, say, decade, to where every tream has offensive defensemen. It's surprising that not one offensive minded D-man has even come close. Will a D-man EVER win the Art Ross Trophy again?????
What were Paul Coffey and Ray Bourque in the 1980? I say they were more wings then defensemen. Those guys could put up points.

Teams have put more emphasis on defense over the last ten years.

Right now, Gonchar leads defensemen in scoring with 44 points, and he is ranked tied for 31st in the league. Naslund scored 68 points, so the time sure isn't this season.

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junior teams?????

Any D-men drafted in the last 2 - 3 yrs come close to leading thier teams in scoring? C'mon you guys in Canada, all the hockey you guys get to watch, any young D-man,..... Bouwmeester, Colacaivo(sp), Hamhuis maybe, have a chance? The only hockey I get to see is the Flyers and I think Pitkanen might break the 50 point mark in a few years. Whitney, Suter?????????
Which young D-man is gonna be the next Leetch or Lidstrom?

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Won't happen for a while that's for sure. D-men coming up can't focus so much on the offensive game anymore due to the tremendous concentration on the defensive side. When playoff games are won 1-0 instead of 5-4, the defensive side is developed first. They can't all be Tom Potis.

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Yup, for defencemen there is too much stress on the physical-defensive side and on size alone... Guys like Paul Coffey and Phil Housley are now encouraged to play forward at a young age and make better use of their speed and lack of physical presence. It is kind of sad but with the stress on defence I can't see a defencemen taking scoring honours ever again unless the game of hockey itself changes.

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It'll never happen again with the new system based NHL. The coaching is to blame.

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It'll never happen again with the new system based NHL. The coaching is to blame.
No, IMO the rules or the NHL implementation of them is to blame. (as in encourages the trap) When Scott Stevens eased up his offensive side and concentrated on defence he stated leading his team to Cups. Not that Stevens would ever have won the Art Ross but the same trend applies to any team that wants to win; So you can't blame the coaches. Some inherent instability has to be invented into the rules so that teams don't just score on counterattacks, powerplays or crashing the net.

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No, IMO the rules or the NHL implementation of them is to blame. (as in encourages the trap) When Scott Stevens eased up his offensive side and concentrated on defence he stated leading his team to Cups. Not that Stevens would ever have won the Art Ross but the same trend applies to any team that wants to win; So you can't blame the coaches. Some inherent instability has to be invented into the rules so that teams don't just score on counterattacks, powerplays or crashing the net.
Well, yes, but it's the coaching at a minor league level that I'm talking about. From the day the kids pick their position as defense, they get taught to play very defensively...

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