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06-25-2008, 01:33 AM
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If Ryder couldn't get PP minutes, Tucker wouldn't get any PP minutes.

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If Ryder couldn't get PP minutes, Tucker wouldn't get any PP minutes.
Not that there's a direct player comparison possible, but yeah. That is correct. He wouldn't be called on for those duties given our roster.

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Bob, Please say no to darcy tucker!
(although i should point out that there is ZERO chance of montreal signing him.... why? Because Koivu is the reason he is not with our organisation anymore... and we still have Koivu.)

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come on now you dont need to dodge the real ANSWER.
Our power play VANISHED in the playoffs.
regular season over 24%
playoffs 14.6%
i dunno Tucker adds another option on your BENCH and that is never a bad thing.(beats trying to have to play Kostoplus on the first line or pp REMEMBER?>
Tucker scored 18 pp goals in 2006 - 36 power play point pts
2007 - 15 goals on the powerplay- 21 pp pts total

Compared to lets say this year our power play
Saku this year 8 goals - 27 points on power play
Plekanac 12 goals -25 points power play
Higgins 12 goals -25 points power play
Andrei Kost 12 goal -16 point power play
I think i'll just end this by telling you how many goals tucker has scored in the playoffs in his entire NHL career...10. Clearly, he will send us over the top.

He's just extra salary for no reason. He's better than our 4th liners, but i'd rather sign streit at 3 then tucker at 2 if you wanna help the powerplay that badly.(streit had 34 points on the PP).

Besides, if tucker had 21 pts on the powerplay and the only person he beat(that you mentioned) was the player in his first full year in the NHL, do we really need him? Enough is enough, tucker brings grit and some offense, so do a lot of people. We can't sign everybody and it's about signing what you need and not a "sure why not?". Does gainey look like a guy who looks down the UFA list and say "sure why not?" to all the player who are better than our 4th liners?

hell, lets get campbell, marleau, sundin, tucker...lets get everybody, they're better than our fourth line guys, lets do it. Lets kick our current roster out and get a completely new one, that's the new trend.

Tucker does not bring us anything we don't already have:

undersized...check

Decent fighter....check

A powerplay option...check

Grit...check

Bodychecker...check


yada yada tucker hits. Guess what people, so does ryder, and even better, he even hits just as much. Here's a look at some players in comparison to tucker:

GP HITS
Tucker 74 126
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Ryder 70 122
Kosto 67 128
begin 44 119
laten 73 134
andrei k 78 102
Boullion 74 168
Hamrlik 77 138
Komi 75 266

Do we really need anybody who dishes out a hit and can score 15-20 goals a season(while playing with sundin or in a top six role) on the 4th line? When we didn't win the cup, was everyone saying, damn, if we had tucker, he'd throw us over the top and make us beat detroit(assuming we beat philly, then pittsburg).


What about fighting, can he offer any more than we already have:

5 Min Majors

Kosto 9
Komisarek 5
Begin 4
O'byrne 3
Boullion 3

Tucker 4

Yup tucker really headlines the fighter class too. I should've known better. He does beat our entire team in game misconducts though, damn, we're really missing out on those.

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06-25-2008, 01:55 AM
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I think i'll just end this by telling you how many goals tucker has scored in the playoffs in his entire NHL career...10. Clearly, he will send us over the top.

He's just extra salary for no reason. He's better than our 4th liners, but i'd rather sign streit at 3 then tucker at 2 if you wanna help the powerplay that badly.(streit had 34 points on the PP).

Besides, if tucker had 21 pts on the powerplay and the only person he beat(that you mentioned) was the player in his first full year in the NHL, do we really need him? Enough is enough, tucker brings grit and some offense, so do a lot of people. We can't sign everybody and it's about signing what you need and not a "sure why not?". Does gainey look like a guy who looks down the UFA list and say "sure why not?" to all the player who are better than our 4th liners?

hell, lets get campbell, marleau, sundin, tucker...lets get everybody, they're better than our fourth line guys, lets do it. Lets kick our current roster out and get a completely new one, that's the new trend.

Tucker does not bring us anything we don't already have:

undersized...check

Decent fighter....check

A powerplay option...check

Grit...check

Bodychecker...check


yada yada tucker hits. Guess what people, so does ryder, and even better, he even hits just as much. Here's a look at some players in comparison to tucker:

GP HITS
Tucker 74 126
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Ryder 70 122
Kosto 67 128
begin 44 119
laten 73 134
andrei k 78 102
Boullion 74 168
Hamrlik 77 138
Komi 75 266

Do we really need anybody who dishes out a hit and can score 15-20 goals a season(while playing with sundin or in a top six role) on the 4th line? When we didn't win the cup, was everyone saying, damn, if we had tucker, he'd throw us over the top and make us beat detroit(assuming we beat philly, then pittsburg).


What about fighting, can he offer any more than we already have:

5 Min Majors

Kosto 9
Komisarek 5
Begin 4
O'byrne 3
Boullion 3

Tucker 4

Yup tucker really headlines the fighter class too. I should've known better. He does beat our entire team in game misconducts though, damn, we're really missing out on those.
Aaaaaand /thread. Good job.

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06-25-2008, 01:57 AM
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Aaaaaand /thread. Good job.
What's and /thread mean? I honestly don't know.

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What's and /thread mean? I honestly don't know.
That means "end of thread." Usually meaning all other counter-arguments are moot. Effectively, "you win."

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Tucker scored 18 pp goals in 05/ 2006 - 36 power play point pts

06/2007 - 15 goals on the powerplay- 21 pp pts total (56 games)

Also, Tucker's PP points in 07-08, forget those magic numbers?

74 GP, 7 G, 3A 10P on the PP this year.

The great PP option, i'm in awe.

Ryder had more PP Points 1g 12 assists, 13 points in the worse season of his career.

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That means "end of thread." Usually meaning all other counter-arguments are moot. Effectively, "you win."
Excellent *Mr burns*

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I have inside info: Tucker would play for montreal if we were interested...

But seriously, Tucker's face is annoying. And if Gainey does sign him, it's option Z.

Good bye

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Almost all the leafs players showed up for a team meeting at the end of last year ... they all agreed to not waive there no trade clause to enforce a buy-out! (inside info)

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06-25-2008, 02:19 AM
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I have inside info: Tucker would play for montreal if we were interested...

But seriously, Tucker's face is annoying. And if Gainey does sign him, it's option Z.

Good bye

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Almost all the leafs players showed up for a team meeting at the end of last year ... they all agreed to not waive there no trade clause to enforce a buy-out! (inside info)
thanks for the heads up. no better place to show leafs brass he still got it than in a habs jersey going for the cup in year 100.



Gainey does option z's .

return of Breezer and Bryan Smolinski

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thanks for the heads up. no better place to show leafs brass he still got it than in a habs jersey going for the cup in year 100.



Gainey does option z's .

return of Breezer and Bryan Smolinski
Gainey learns from mistakes.

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Also, Tucker's PP points in 07-08, forget those magic numbers?

74 GP, 7 G, 3A 10P on the PP this year.

The great PP option, i'm in awe.

Ryder had more PP Points 1g 12 assists, 13 points in the worse season of his career.
do you want me to go back and show you ALEX KOVELEV Power play stats from 2007?

17 pts on the power play .....



what did that mean this year?

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do you want me to go back and show you ALEX KOVELEV Power play stats from 2007?

17 pts on the power play .....



what did that mean this year?
It meant he had 7 more PP points than Tucker PLUS more EV strength points. But I guess that's what happens when the league's best powerplay is also balanced...

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do you want me to go back and show you ALEX KOVELEV Power play stats from 2007?

17 pts on the power play .....



what did that mean this year?

bahaha lets do this. It's a joke to compare Kovalev and Tucker.

2007-08

Kovalev 17G 30A 47P
Tucker 7G 3A 10P

2006-07

Kovalev 8G 14A 22P
Tucker 15G 6A 21P

2005-06

Kovalev 9G 24A 33P
Tucker 18G 18A 36P



So basically, on a balanced PP team Kovalev has hmmm 102 Points in last 3 years. Tucker, on an unbalanced PP gets 67P. It's closer than it seems, 67 points isn't bad, but umm, it honestly doesn't look like tucker is on rise, 36 to 21 to 10. Wilson says he's wearing down, Fletcher buys him out, yup, it seems not even his own team has faith he'll make 36 PP points again.

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bahaha lets do this. It's a joke to compare Kovalev and Tucker.

2007-08

Kovalev 17G 30A 47P
Tucker 7G 3A 10P

2006-07

Kovalev 8G 14A 22P <<<73 GAMES
Tucker 15G 6A 21P <<<<56 GAMES

2005-06

Kovalev 9G 24A 33P
Tucker 18G 18A 36P



So basically, on a balanced PP team Kovalev has hmmm 102 Points in last 3 years. Tucker, on an unbalanced PP gets 67P. It's closer than it seems, 67 points isn't bad, but umm, it honestly doesn't look like tucker is on rise, 36 to 21 to 10. Wilson says he's wearing down, Fletcher buys him out, yup, it seems not even his own team has faith he'll make 36 PP points again.
you say 36 to 21 then 10 ....

well 36 then 21( in only 56 GAMES) then yes this year 10 ....


ok NOW factor in Tucker only played 56 GAMES in 2006(Kovy plays 73) and he finished with 1 less point to Kovy.He has outscored Kovy near DOUBLE on the PP in 05/06 and 06/07.


Now Kovy replaced Souray this year ate big minutes and he managed to score 10 more goals than DARCY who had a bad year.

How many minutes Darcy get on the pp this year compared to Kovelev?


NOW would Darcy do any better on the NUMBER 1 power play in the league?Id love to find out .


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you say 36 to 21 then 10 ....

well 36 then 21( in only 56 GAMES) then yes this year 10 ....


ok NOW factor in Tucker only played 56 GAMES in 2006 and he finished with 1 less point to Kovy.He has outscored Kovy near DOUBLE on the PP in 05/06 and 06/07.


Now Kovy replaced Souray this year ate big minutes and he managed to score 10 more goals than DARCY who had a bad year.

How many minutes Darcy get on the pp this year compared to Kovelev?
I think you've lost your mind, streit replaced souray, aka, streit making 34 PP points.

So tucker made more goals than him, okay...kovalev had 10 times the assists this year compared to tucker. I don't know about you, but PP is not about 1 guy who can score, it's a unit, kovalev can score and make a play. Tucker can only score. IF tucker had to play the way we play our pp, he wouldn't be as successful.

Anyway, i still don't see your point. We want the cup right?

Tucker's Playoff performance:

10G 11A 62 games

Kovalev's Playoff performance:

42G 53A 112 games

Anyway, the more you praise tucker's PP performance, the more evident it becomes he's useless 5-5 as 70% of his points come on the PP in an unbalanced system. Good to know.

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I think you've lost your mind, streit replaced souray, aka, streit making 34 PP points.

So tucker made more goals than him, okay...kovalev had 10 times the assists this year compared to tucker. I don't know about you, but PP is not about 1 guy who can score, it's a unit, kovalev can score and make a play. Tucker can only score. IF tucker had to play the way we play our pp, he wouldn't be as successful.

Anyway, i still don't see your point. We want the cup right?

Tucker's Playoff performance:

10G 11A 62 games

Kovalev's Playoff performance:

42G 53A 112 games

Anyway, the more you praise tucker's PP performance, the more evident it becomes he's useless 5-5 as 70% of his points come on the PP in an unbalanced system. Good to know.

powerplay hockey =NHL now more than ever

You go on about his playoff stats BUT guess what? HE HASNT SEEN THE PLAYOFFS SINCE 03/ 2004 ......
Darcy had power play success in 2005 /06 2006/07.(to bad they couldnt make the playoffs hard to say what his stats would be )

No one is going to argue Tucker is Wayne G but you cant deny that with the Leafs he has 319 points (148 goals, 171 assists) in 530 games played .Not bad for an old 6th rounder.


Saku Koivu Games 727 /175 Goals /416 assts /591 pts /579 penealty minutes

Darcy Tucker Games 813 /197 Goals / 239 assts /436 pts /1296 penealty minutes


His stats are pretty dam good considering he spent an extra 700 +MINUTES in the penealty box and the reckless type of game he has played over his career


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tucker is an avery light at this point in his career... I have no problem with that as long as he's on our side

but I really question the physical health of his entire body.... I havent checked his stats but I seem to re-call that he's had trouble staying healthy lately.... there's alot of clicks on the old tucker odometer.

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powerplay hockey =NHL now more than ever

You go on about his playoff stats BUT guess what? HE HASNT SEEN THE PLAYOFFS SINCE 03/ 2004 ......
Darcy had power play success in 2005 /06 2006/07.(to bad they couldnt make the playoffs hard to say what his stats would be )

No one is going to argue Tucker is Wayne G but you cant deny that with the Leafs he has 319 points (148 goals, 171 assists) in 530 games played .Not bad for an old 6th rounder.


Saku Koivu Games 727 /175 Goals /416 assts /591 pts /579 penealty minutes

Darcy Tucker Games 813 /197 Goals / 239 assts /436 pts /1296 penealty minutes


His stats are pretty dam good considering he spent an extra 700 +MINUTES in the penealty box and the reckless type of game he has played over his career
Thanks for explaining that to fans of the best PP team in the league...

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Id really hope Gainey snaps him up . Way better idea than Gary Roberts.Mark my word Tucker is going to come back with a good season and it would be great to seem him do it in Montreal .




http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=241569&l...=topStory_main
I'd rather have Roberts.Would be a welcomed addition on the Habs with his intangibles,valuable playoff experience,grit and physicality.He still can chip in offensively,but he would be important when it counts,in the playoffs.

Tucker's just far to banged up physically at this point of his career to even be a factor along the boards.That was a huge part of his game and it was essentially his physicality,energy and intense forechecking that made him an invaluable component on the 2nd or 3rd line of the Leafs for so many years(2000-2007)

Without this dimension last year he was basically reduced to simply being a power play specialist from the top of the hash marks,looking for the one-timer but doing and providing little else.Leafs did the right decision in buying out his contract.

The Habs really don't need him.He would provide or add little else here.The guy has heart,but he's nearly finished due to his numerous injuries.

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Tucker gets beat but atleast he fights .


Heck Kostoplus gets nailed almost every fight but we love him anyways right?No offense to TKO but Tucker over TKO


call me the day Begin , kostoplus or lappy EVER put up 40 to 60 points in a nhl season .


Tucker Does and will Again this year .my opinion is you make room .

You his agent or something? I still vote no, he is not worth the potential trouble.

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they cant use Sundin anymore either.....Phoenix couldnt use Breire...


Montreal couldnt use Carbo anymore..he goes to Dallas wins another cup...we couldnt use alot of players here in Montreal. We let them go and yet they left Montreal to win a cup again . .....

so on and so on.......
Tucker is not Sundin or Carbo or Briere, and so on and so on . . . .

It would be such a tremendous waste of a roster spot to bring in Tucker.

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I'd rather have Roberts.Would be a welcomed addition on the Habs with his intangibles,valuable playoff experience,grit and physicality.He still can chip in offensively,but he would be important when it counts,in the playoffs.

Tucker's just far to banged up physically at this point of his career to even be a factor along the boards.That was a huge part of his game and it was essentially his physicality,energy and intense forechecking that made him an invaluable component on the 2nd or 3rd line of the Leafs for so many years(2000-2007)

Without this dimension last year he was basically reduced to simply being a power play specialist from the top of the hash marks,looking for the one-timer but doing and providing little else.Leafs did the right decision in buying out his contract.

The Habs really don't need him.He would provide or add little else here.The guy has heart,but he's nearly finished due to his numerous injuries.
i really dont understand

many say they want Roberts because Tucker is banged up?


Tucker played
2007-2008 -74 games last year
2006-2007 -56 games
2005-2006 74 games


Roberts

38 games 2007-2008
69 games 2006-2007
58 games 2005-2006


AGAIN TUCKER played injured and still BATTLED for 74 games

KNEE INJURY
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=221404


im telling you watch him come back with a vengeance.everyone who thinks he is done is thinking wrong


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Tucker is not Sundin or Carbo or Briere, and so on and so on . . . .

It would be such a tremendous waste of a roster spot to bring in Tucker.
Yeah, I mean, what part of "bought out by the Leafs" = must sign UFA for the Habs? I've been baffled since the beginning of this thread.

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