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06-25-2008, 03:32 PM
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Not just size - he plays very soft and doesn't have a lot of speed. The Leafs drafted him on playmaking potential alone.

You're getting a guy who still has a lot of potential, but has a lot of areas in his game he needs to work on. As I see you folks are discussing, conditioning and commitment are front-and-center. I don't think he's a lazy guy, but I do think the back-to-back injuries (including a groin you should probably be a little worried about) took him out of any sort of fitness routine long enough that he's finding it hard to get back into one. And he does seem to be a guy that needs someone else to motivate him.

(BTW - Hodgson will be terrific for you - a character two-way player like Linden, smart as all hell and a great finisher to boot. His fitness level was actually ahead of Wilson's in many categories. You're going to love this kid.)
Great post, thank you. Did Wellwood show any edge/grit at all? and how is his shot?
I'm intrigued by the idea he could play with the Sedins because they have said a playmaker might work on their line before so I'm also wondering if he's ever shown any willingness/ability to play a cycle game.

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06-25-2008, 03:33 PM
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I'm sure Gillis is more aware of the extent of Wellwood's character issues than you are.
I think we all know what issues Wellwood has. If there's more, some things we don't know but Gillis does know, then this is even worse than I thought.

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If he feels that the risk is worth the potential reward, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
We'll see. If Wellwood is able to act like a good team player and doesn't make the team "bertuzzified", then this probably doesn't hurt the team that much. That's a big if though.

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Seriously, will you give this moneypuck thing a rest? Do you even know what it means?
Whoa, first time I even mentioned it. And yes I do know, and looks like this is definitely "a moneypuck move". This guy has 108 points in 189 games (in NHL), that's not bad.

Again, this is an unnecessary pick up. All we had before Wellwood was soft, small, slow perimeter players as top 6 players. And here we added another one. And it's not as "riskless" as you might believe.


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06-25-2008, 03:39 PM
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I'll wait to see how he fits into the team and the rest of our moves before passing judgement.

If he's picked up to serve as a utility player/PP specialist, then it isn't a bad move I don't think. Our PP needs a guy like this in the worst way. I've said for awhile I wouldn't mind signing Kirill Koltsov and playing him as a 4th line forward 5-on-5 just to get his PP skills in the lineup, and this would really be no different.

If he's being pencilled in essentially to Morrison's spot as the #2 center and we aren't making any more moves down the middle ... ugh. Not good.

This is a low risk/high reward move that could give as a strong-producing asset for nothing. And this is the sort of move that good teams make - Ribeiro in Dallas, Cleary in Detroit - where you hope a lazy, soft player can find himself in a more structured system and a dressing room containing more leadership and direction.

Hopefully we bring him to Vancouver for the summer to work with our conditioning coaches and get his fat ass into game shape. Can't believe how fat he was in the picture posted earlier in the thread. Don't even know how it's possible .... I'm in way better shape than he is, and while I live a fairly active lifestyle, I don't go to the gym and live largely off pizza and beer. For a pro athlete to let himself go that badly is amazing.

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06-25-2008, 03:40 PM
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We'll see. If Wellwood is able to act like a good team player and doesn't make the team "bertuzzified", then this probably doesn't hurt the team that much. That's a big if though.

I think the team is more worried about him turning into another Tk-chunk than making the team 'bertuzzified'. Just keep him away from the Tim Hortons and beer.

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...and with that begins the Wellwood Fat jokes....

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LMAO. No to Jokinen and his character question marks, yes to Wellwood and his. Hey, I'm sold!

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Great post, thank you. Did Wellwood show any edge/grit at all? and how is his shot?
I'm intrigued by the idea he could play with the Sedins because they have said a playmaker might work on their line before so I'm also wondering if he's ever shown any willingness/ability to play a cycle game.
He has no edge, and no grit. He won't take or throw hits, and won't fight for the puck in the corner. His shot is average at best.

What he does have is a really soft touch, and elite level vision/playmaking ability.

If he had the drive/effort to match his talent, he'd be Marc Savard.

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LMAO. No to Jokinen and his character question marks, yes to Wellwood and his. Hey, I'm sold!
Difference is...Jokinen costs 5 times as much. stop with the Jokinen comparisons!

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LMAO. No to Jokinen and his character question marks, yes to Wellwood and his. Hey, I'm sold!
I was biting my lip about that. I was wondering if anyone was going to notice the double standard there.

The Gillis era is off to a wonderful start!

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06-25-2008, 03:49 PM
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Wellwood just said that this is going to be awake up call and to prove that he can be a character guy and professional so that he can take an advantage to it.

Also stated that injuries took a huge toll on his conditioning.

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Also said that he can only picture himself being in a top 6 role, he said the keys is going to be that he needs to stay fit and put his injuries behind him. It's just a matter of getting his body to handle 82 games, etc etc

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06-25-2008, 03:51 PM
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Listening to him on 1040, and it's not that encouraging. He's mentioned his injuries 10 or 15 times, and seems to really believe that is the only reason he was waived.

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LMAO. No to Jokinen and his character question marks, yes to Wellwood and his. Hey, I'm sold!
one of these things is not like the other.

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I don't understand a double standard. Gillis has two things he has talked about "moneypuck" and "character/integrity" etc etc. They don't both have to co-incide, they don't always have to go perfectly hand in hand.



Wellwood fits more into the moneypuck side of things. Good. Hurray.

And even to the personality wise things, it's not like Wellwood hit someone with his car and took off running. Oh noes, fat and has an ego, it isn't the end of the world.


And like others have said, I have no idea how people can be like "omg we didn't get Jokinen but we got Wellwood???" as if a) they have any idea if Florida even had a decent deal to offer us (Just cause Phoenix got him for Ballard and co. doesn't mean automatically the Canucks have the equivalent of that) and b) getting something for free and cheap is so far different then picking up Jokinen for roster players and +5 million.


Either way, people are really into this manager speak on Gillis part and trying to hold him accountable to some stupid vague agenda he set for this teams future.

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Difference is...Jokinen costs 5 times as much. stop with the Jokinen comparisons!
And puts in 5 times the performance.

Sorry, I'm entering late and my comments have probably said many times, but it just shows how full of sh** Gillis is. In his first player acquisition outside of entry draft, Gillis grabbed one of the laziest players in the entire league. Yeah, he gave up nothing. It's low risk, low reward. But if you're going to make bold statements and use them as excuses for not getting real deals done, your credibility takes a huge hit when you break your rules a few days later.

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Listening to him on 1040, and it's not that encouraging. He's mentioned his injuries 10 or 15 times, and seems to really believe that is the only reason he was waived.
Not necessarily he also stated that he needs to stay fit and that you don't always get a second chance and that he wants to take it, good wake up call.

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He has no edge, and no grit. He won't take or throw hits, and won't fight for the puck in the corner. His shot is average at best.

What he does have is a really soft touch, and elite level vision/playmaking ability.

If he had the drive/effort to match his talent, he'd be Marc Savard.
Didn't people say the same things about Marc Savard at one point? I know there were some knocks against him (Savard) but I can't remember what they were specifically.

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Before I head out for the day, here's a fun question that'll maybe stir the pot up:

How is Wellwood's situation different from that of Kyle Beach's? Both of them are players who had/have health problems and immaturity problems and both of them could turn into very promising players.

I'm still not exactly sold on Wellwood (any player who uses Wayne Gretzky as justification for his actions = in my books) but I'm prepared to see what else is done with this team. Right now, I'm just scratching my head.

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one of these things is not like the other.
Yes, even when weighing cost, one improves this team and one doesn't. Both require ignoring significant character flaws. Which one did we get?

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And puts in 5 times the performance.

Sorry, I'm entering late and my comments have probably said many times, but it just shows how full of sh** Gillis is. In his first player acquisition outside of entry draft, Gillis grabbed one of the laziest players in the entire league. Yeah, he gave up nothing. It's low risk, low reward. But if you're going to make bold statements and use them as excuses for not getting real deals done, your credibility takes a huge hit when you break your rules a few days later.
I had also mentioned that (flip-flop), but we have no clue what Gillis wants to use him as yet. I seriously doubt he is being brought in as an impact player for our team.

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These Jokinen comparisons are hilarious. You guys are totally bending reality here. Think about the freaking risk involved:

Wellwood
-Costs nothing
-Low percentage of cap hit
-Low locker-room impact

Jokinen
-Huge asset cost
-High percentage of cap hit
-Heavy locker-room impact

The inherent risk associated with Jokinen is HUGE, whereas with Wellwood it's low. You guys have to differentiate...

And obviously Gillis feels he can turn this kids head around with the right development. We aren't necessarily only picking up guys with character, but we're preaching and developing character to turn guys like Wellwood into responsible, dedicated players.

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Yes, even when weighing cost, one improves this team and one doesn't. Both require ignoring significant character flaws. Which one did we get?
One also requires assets to give up, the other one does not. Also, Jokinen is a higher profile player, whose negative aspects could have a greater impact on the team than Wellwood could.

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Not necessarily he also stated that he needs to stay fit and that you don't always get a second chance and that he wants to take it, good wake up call.
These comments are somewhat encouraging. Best case scenario is he treats this like a kick in his ass, works hard, and fights his way into a regular spot on the team.

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Before I head out for the day, here's a fun question that'll maybe stir the pot up:

How is Wellwood's situation different from that of Kyle Beach's? Both of them are players who had/have health problems and immaturity problems and both of them could turn into very promising players.

I'm still not exactly sold on Wellwood (any player who uses Wayne Gretzky as justification for his actions = in my books) but I'm prepared to see what else is done with this team. Right now, I'm just scratching my head.
Pretty simple. Wellwood has spent 4 years reinforcing his reputation, while Beach hasn't had the chance to change it.

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And puts in 5 times the performance.

Sorry, I'm entering late and my comments have probably said many times, but it just shows how full of sh** Gillis is. In his first player acquisition outside of entry draft, Gillis grabbed one of the laziest players in the entire league. Yeah, he gave up nothing. It's low risk, low reward. But if you're going to make bold statements and use them as excuses for not getting real deals done, your credibility takes a huge hit when you break your rules a few days later.
Not to mention when Wellwood was asked why he didn't workout/do offseason conditioning his response was this..

"Gretzky didn't work out..."

The Krispy Kreme man of the month is....Kyle Wellwood! Kyle will be getting a life time supply of fat pills....er...doughnuts for being Krispy Kreme's man of the month!! Take a bow Kyle! You can't? Ok bend over as far as you can go then...

Definitely a character double standard going on...

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so.. is he an upcoming RFA for the nucks aswell? Maybe Gillis and his staff interviews him to see if there is any potential at all mentally to get him back on track with a decent training regime, and if there isn't WE are the ones that just don't qualify him?

Would sound like a clever thing to do? Couldn't Welly just look at the message he'd be sending other teams if this new team wouldn't resign him after all the hassle and reports of a new mentality in player policy? Sure wouldn't raise his stocks in the market, and he could end up stuck in AHL. If there's a heart in him somewhere, I think this is an ideal situation to find it, and Nucks are the ones who can benefit from it. Just put the staff at work!

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