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Who in your franchise has the 'Wheeler' effect Contract?

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06-24-2008, 07:26 PM
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Who in your franchise has the 'Wheeler' effect Contract?

Hey fans,

I was looking over the Wheeler move and was very happy to see him sign in Boston, when a fear came over me: Do we have a player who is in the same contract that WE drafted that can leave us like Wheeler left Phoenix?

It got me thinking about other players in the league who have been drafted and could possibly leave their drafted teams to sign as a UFA anywhere?!! So here is the thread: does your favorite team have a player or high draft that is in the college system and can do the same to your team?

Is this the beginning of a pattern of players who get drafted then go to college and come out to choose any team they want to go to?


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It would be a pattern if more than 1 player did it.

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Well Dallas hasn't had as high a draft pick as Wheeler was, since around 1996, so no, I don't think they have a player of that ilk.

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Beginning of a pattern, because he appears to be the first.

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Frankly I don't see it happening any more often than it has been...its been a while since this has happened (Van Ryn).

And no, the Penguins have no one that could be affected by this. Hell we have about 7 prospects under 20....

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any player that goes to college can do this, whether drafted while in college or before. if they stayed in school for the 4 years and don't get signed they can become ufas...thats why teams try to sign guys like parise, kessel, j johnson, e johnson sooner rather than later to get them out of school early...

there are a ton of prospects each year that graduate college and become ufas, but those guys are normally prospects that no one wants to sign cause they aren't that good and didn't develop.

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Already happened to us, but we were at least able to get something for him.

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Already happened to us, but we were at least able to get something for him.
I just hope it doesn't happen again. Dalpe seems dead set on going to Ohio State and hopefully JR doesn't push his buttons too much. OSU may be better for his development in the long run too. But that would a heck of a lot more a JR thing then the first one was.

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It would be a pattern if more than 1 player did it.
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Beginning of a pattern, because he appears to be the first.
Actually, AJ Thelen did the same thing last season.

The specific loophole that Wheeler & Thelen exploited only covers players who were drafted under the old CBA. Players drafted under the new CBA would go back in the draft instead.

The only exception are college players who stay in school through the graduation of their class and then don't sign by August 15 - they can sign as a UFA (but still subject to ELS limits). But, if not signed by the following June, they would be still eligible for the following draft.

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Frankly I don't see it happening any more often than it has been...its been a while since this has happened (Van Ryn).

And no, the Penguins have no one that could be affected by this. Hell we have about 7 prospects under 20....
I think it's happened more often than that... if you're looking at 1st round picks and not just top 5 picks (Van Ryn was a late 1st as well).

Umberger went through a similar situation... could not come to terms with the teams holding his rights - the canucks first, then the rangers, and signed as a UFA with Philly.

Thelen as well as the poster above mentioned...

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Beginning of a pattern, because he appears to be the first.
Does a pattern not require more then one occurance to constitute itself as a pattern? So far Wheeler looks to be an isolated incident...personally I hope it stays that way.

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Umberger did it when he signed with Philly

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Isn't Patrick White in college? That's the only one I can think of for the Canucks.

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I was to guess for the Pens I'd say Keven Veillieux could be like that. But more likely nobody.

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Does a pattern not require more then one occurance to constitute itself as a pattern? So far Wheeler looks to be an isolated incident...personally I hope it stays that way.
As others have posted, Umberger and Van Ryn have also done this UFA route, and I was curious if there were others in the college system that teams might have a concern with...

Great posts so far! Did not know about those two, and I wonder why more young players didn't do this so they could get a degree and then choose the team they want to go to...guess the lure of the money and the honor in sticking with the team that drafted you wins in the end.

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Actually, AJ Thelen did the same thing last season.

The specific loophole that Wheeler & Thelen exploited only covers players who were drafted under the old CBA. Players drafted under the new CBA would go back in the draft instead.

The only exception are college players who stay in school through the graduation of their class and then don't sign by August 15 - they can sign as a UFA (but still subject to ELS limits). But, if not signed by the following June, they would be still eligible for the following draft.
I thought MIN walked away from Thelen making him an UFA, but I could be wrong

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Hey fans,

I was looking over the Wheeler move and was very happy to see him sign in Boston, when a fear came over me: Do we have a player who is in the same contract that WE drafted that can leave us like Wheeler left Phoenix?

It got me thinking about other players in the league who have been drafted and could possibly leave their drafted teams to sign as a UFA anywhere?!! So here is the thread: does your favorite team have a player or high draft that is in the college system and can do the same to your team?

Is this the beginning of a pattern of players who get drafted then go to college and come out to choose any team they want to go to?


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Huh? WHeeler was never under contract in Phoenix.. He basicly realized if he came to Phoenix he would be spending the next 1 or 2 season in the AHL.... So he took far less money and went to Boston where he has a very good chance of starting this season..

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I thought MIN walked away from Thelen making him an UFA, but I could be wrong
You would be correct. Thelen wasn't offered a contract. That's different from Wheeler.

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Don't most teams conduct interviews of players that they're considering drafting in at least the first round? I was under the impression that "if we draft you, will there be any problems?" was one of the main questions that teams asked potential picks...

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I was to guess for the Pens I'd say Keven Veillieux could be like that. But more likely nobody.
We already signed Veilleux actually.

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Don't most teams conduct interviews of players that they're considering drafting in at least the first round? I was under the impression that "if we draft you, will there be any problems?" was one of the main questions that teams asked potential picks...
Remember Wheeler was drafted out of High School and then played 3 years in NCAA. I think something must have happened in UM this season.. The team played flat compared to expectations. Oposa bailed at Xmas... When was the last time a Top player in the NCAA bailed mid-season?

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Beginning of a pattern, because he appears to be the first.
If you're the only one, you're technically also the last

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Mike Van Ryn pretty much did the same thing.

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I like how people are still making fun of the "pattern" thing even after numerous additional examples have been cited.

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You would be correct. Thelen wasn't offered a contract. That's different from Wheeler.
There's really no difference - it doesn't matter who decided not to offer/sign. When no SPC was signed by the appropriate deadline, Thelen/Wheeler became UFAs - they argued a loophole in Exhibit 16 of the CBA that made them UFAs, rather than re-entering the draft. That particular loophole (a pre-lockout draftee leaving school early) only affected players drafted under the old CBA - like Thelen and Wheeler.

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