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06-30-2008, 09:29 PM
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Teams looking at RFA O'Sullivan?

patty o'sullivan of the kings might be the most sought after rfa out there... apparently

his agent said that to TFP

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While much attention has been put on such RFAs as Florida's Jay Bouwmeester and Anaheim's Corey Perry, O'Sullivan could be one of the most attractive players available.

"He could be the most sought-after Group II guy, because all the other [RFAs] are working on deals [with their respective teams]," O'Sullivan's agent, Mark Guy, told TFP."
as of the afternoon, the kings haven't talked to osullivan about a contract.

link: http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/lak080630.html

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06-30-2008, 09:31 PM
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pure posturing.

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Let's get him back!

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pure posturing.
Off topic, but I really do miss Terry Tate

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he could be a guy toronto could use...

young, won't be too expensive yet, and knows the area...

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I'm surprised LA is dragging their heels with him, they'll obviously match any offer sheet within reason but I don't understand letting other teams determine how you spend your cap space.

I would say he's a prime candidate for some team to try and scoop him, I'd love him as the second line centerman in Buffalo.

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kings match any offer...

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Posturing

First, here's what Dean Lombardi said about the progress of contract negotiations with restricted free agent Patrick O'Sullivan...

``(Jeff Solomon) is down there working on him now. Solly has to get to work. That's our team's lawyer. We had some preliminary dialogue there before the draft but the next stage is getting some of these guys under contract.''

I asked whether he thought something was ``close''...

``I'm not sure. After today we might know a little more.''


www.insidesocal.com/kings

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kings match any offer...
Ya, just the agent talking. The Kings have plenty of room to match anything.

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kings match any offer...
Yep. No matter what.

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I would love him in Van,but LA will match.

RFA offer sheets are ussually thre wrong way to build a team.With the recent strong drafts you are giving up too much

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He'll be back. Love him in Ranger blue though.

Vermette - Gomez - O'Sullivan

Makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.

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Ok, what does he go for?

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It won't happen, but always wanted him in Carolina. He's wanted everywhere!

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Ok, what does he go for?
If you know that LA is going to match no matter what, then why wouldn't some division rival sign him to an offer sheet at the high end of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd round compensation level?

Make the Kings burn some of that cap up, then reap the benefits when it's time for them to extend some of their other young forwards and defensemen.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him get a deal in line with Jeff Carter's $5 million cap number, they scored an identical number of points, are the same age, and play very similar roles for their teams.

I don't understand why the Kings wouldn't just voluntarily give him a bit more than he's worth, rather than be forced to give him a lot more than he's worth.

There's no way that the Kings can sign him for less than they're paying Handzus ($4 million), so anywhere between that and the $5 million that Carter got is what I would expect.


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Instead of the Kings dragging their feet, it's probably more like O'Sullivan's agent is dragging his feet, knowing that the absolute best deal that he could get for his client would be from another team. Even if O'Sullivan has no intention of leaving LA, his agent can get him the best money by waiting for an offer sheet to come in and, then, for the Kings to match it.

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If you know that LA is going to match no matter what, then why wouldn't some division rival sign him to an offer sheet at the high end of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd round compensation level?

Make the Kings burn some of that cap up, then reap the benefits when it's time for them to extend some of their other young forwards and defensemen.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him get a deal in line with Jeff Carter's $5 million cap number, they scored an identical number of points, are the same age, and play very similar roles for their teams.

I don't understand why the Kings wouldn't just voluntarily give him a bit more than he's worth, rather than be forced to give him a lot more than he's worth.


There's no way that the Kings can sign him for less than they're paying Handzus ($4 million), so anywhere between that and the $5 million that Carter got is what I would expect.
If O'Sullivan gets an offer for between $4-5 mil, I'll help him pack up his place so he can move to his new team. O'Sullivan has one full NHL season under his belt, and if some team wants to pay him $5 mil, fine by me, I think that's the point where Dean Lombardi wouldn't match either. You use Carter as a comparasion and he has 99 more games of NHL experience. Why not use Dustin Brown from the Kings as a comparable, he's got a cap hit of a little over $3 mil?

As for why wouldn't a division team throw an offer at O'Sullivan to screw the Kings salary cap up, because there's always the possibility that the Kings don't match. Anaheim doesn't have the cap space to be throwing around offer sheets trying to screw the Kings cap up, Dallas doesn't have a whole lot of cap space, San Jose does, but I don't think they'd want to spend a big chunk of it on O'Sullivan in the off chance LA wouldn't match. Phoenix is the only team in the division that has the cap space and probably wouldn't be all that upset if LA didn't match. I don't think GMs are at the point where they're thinking "Hey, for fun, let's sign a rival player to an offer sheet to screw up their cap" because they understand there's going to come a point when one of their big name younger players reaches RFA status. It's one thing if you legitimately want the player. Like the Kings, Phoenix is building a young team, I don't think they'd want to start getting into a RFA offer-sheet battle with another team.

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06-30-2008, 11:55 PM
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i guess he sort of fits into that 2nd rounder compensation range(1.3M-2.6M), any more cash then that i don't match if I am LA(and take the first and third)

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If O'Sullivan gets an offer for between $4-5 mil, I'll help him pack up his place so he can move to his new team. O'Sullivan has one full NHL season under his belt, and if some team wants to pay him $5 mil, fine by me, I think that's the point where Dean Lombardi wouldn't match either. You use Carter as a comparasion and he has 99 more games of NHL experience. Why not use Dustin Brown from the Kings as a comparable, he's got a cap hit of a little over $3 mil?
I'm not assigning value, I'm answering the question of "how much will he be signed for". His agent will look at Jeff Carter's signing as the closest comparison, since they come from the same draft class and put similar numbers on the board, with similar upsides. His agent will also look at the fact that Michal Handzus makes $4 million per season to play the 3rd line in LA and put up less than half the points his client does.

Your point about division rivals is a good one though, you're right. NHL GM's don't intentionally sandbag each other, usually.

My personal view still stands, I think at the end of the day O'Sullivan will be an LA King, making somewhere in the neighborhood of $5 million per season.

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5 million after one season? What the **** is happening to the NHL? Didn't we have a lockout to get salaries in check? Someone signs him to a 5 million dollar deal, I'd hope Lombardi takes the 4 1st rounders or whatever the compensation is. From 600K to 5 million? Ridiculous.

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I'd like to see him in Montreal for a possible deal, but I'm sure la would be asking something like Andrei Kostitsyn and maybe a bit more for him?

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5 million after one season? What the **** is happening to the NHL? Didn't we have a lockout to get salaries in check? Someone signs him to a 5 million dollar deal, I'd hope Lombardi takes the 4 1st rounders or whatever the compensation is. From 600K to 5 million? Ridiculous.
From www.nhlscap.com/offer_sheets.htm

WHAT IS THE COMPENSATION REQUIRED FOR SIGNING A RFA TO AN OFFER SHEET?
For 2008-09, the estimated compensation due for signing a RFA to an Offer Sheet is:

Amount Compensation Due

$863,156 or less None

$863,156 - $1,307,811 3rd round pick

$1,307,811 - $2,615,623 2nd round pick

$2,615,623 - $3,923,434 1st and 3rd round pick

$3,923,434 - $5,231,246 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick

$5,231,246 - $6,539,061 Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick

$6,539,061 or more Four 1st round picks

And Reaper, I'm with you. Anything pushing $5 mil, that's something I think Lombardi has to walk away from.

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How about this Deal

MN trades Bouchard to LA for O'Sullivan ....Probably two of the top RFA's LA gets one of the dynamic puckhandlers in the league and Minny gets a solid improving Center. Looks good to me. We need a top 4 D though at least so it could even be a two play trade on each side.

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