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06-23-2008, 07:01 PM
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Since we could be losing 3 of our 4 wings from our top two lines (only Sykora is signed thru next year) I'd expect him to play with Sid or Geno if he came to Pittsburgh. And he'd be the right handed shot our PP has lacked the past two seasons.

Does he play both wings or just on the right side?
I'm pretty sure he was exclusively a RW the whole year. The only time of the year he may have played on the left was when he was put on the top line, but Doan was entrenched on the left wing by that point.

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He's pretty good defensively, he was on our second PK unit and had a few shorties throughout the year(Not really a measure of defensive ability, but they're always nice.). I personally can't pinpoint any one reason for his breakout. If I had to take a stab at it, it would be more quality ice time with good playmakers (Hanzal, Reinprecht.). The major red flag with Vrbata is his inconsistancy, his final numbers were good, but he's pretty streaky. He went the last 22 games of the season without a goal and only about 3 assists in the timeframe.
So he sounds like a younger version of Sykora that can kill penalties, thats not a bad thing. Thanks for the insight!

So whats the word on him returning to Phoenix? And how much do you guys think he's looking for per year? I'd prefer for him to stay with the Coyotes and help make the team a winner (I was really happy for you guys when you traded for Jokinen!), but if he decides to leave I'd be interested in him coming to Pittsburgh.

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So he sounds like a younger version of Sykora that can kill penalties, thats not a bad thing. Thanks for the insight!

So whats the word on him returning to Phoenix? And how much do you guys think he's looking for per year? I'd prefer for him to stay with the Coyotes and help make the team a winner (I was really happy for you guys when you traded for Jokinen!), but if he decides to leave I'd be interested in him coming to Pittsburgh.
Last I heard the hang up was years/possible NTC. Maloney announced last week that he'll be testing free agency. He claims that he wants to stay here, but obviously there's a hang up somewhere in negotiations.

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Last I heard the hang up was years/possible NTC. Maloney announced last week that he'll be testing free agency. He claims that he wants to stay here, but obviously there's a hang up somewhere in negotiations.
Okay, thanks again for the info.

Is there any talk of Ryan Malone possibly going out to Phoenix with his dad being a part of the organization now?

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Okay, thanks again for the info.

Is there any talk of Ryan Malone possibly going out to Phoenix with his dad being a part of the organization now?
Speculation before the draft. We were kind of thin on the wings then, but after the draft and Mueller deciding to make a more permanent move to the wing we have a lot less room there. I wouldn't be willing to give the kind of contract he wants. Doan will probably be in the first line LW spot making 4.5 m.

Although a Malone - Jokinen - Doan line would be downright nasty.

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Speculation before the draft. We were kind of thin on the wings then, but after the draft and Mueller deciding to make a more permanent move to the wing we have a lot less room there. I wouldn't be willing to give the kind of contract he wants. Doan will probably be in the first line LW spot making 4.5 m.

Although a Malone - Jokinen - Doan line would be downright nasty.
Oh I didn't know that Mueller was being moved to wing! Yeah that would be a pretty awesome first line!

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Didnt Malone get traded to CBS? Has he not signed a big contract there yet.

I dont remember Vrbata being a weapon on the PP with a big RH shot. That's Doan. Vrbata's more of a sniper.

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As I remember Malone said something to the effect of "I wouldn't trade a pick for me, because I'm going to test the market" when asked about the CLB trade rumours.

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As I remember Malone said something to the effect of "I wouldn't trade a pick for me, because I'm going to test the market" when asked about the CLB trade rumours.
Yup, thats pretty much what he said. I don't blame him, this is the first time in his career that he has say over where he plays. And a lot of people are guessing that he wants to go to Minnesota, where he and his wife live in the offseason, or to Phoenix to be with his dad again.

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The family connection is a nice thing, but I somehow doubt a 28-year-old man would take a paycut just to be near his dad. People read too much into these things.

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I watched that movie, "The Prestige" for the first time, the other day. I am now reminded of Vrbata. He's a tricky player on the ice, and he's got one hell of a "Vanishing Man" act. He can dazzle you, and then make himself disappear. It's pretty amazing, actually. He may be in the wrong line of work. He just had a birthday a couple of weeks ago. Maybe someone should get him a cape and a wand as a belated present. Too little, too late is right up his alley, anyway.

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Liles first then Hossa

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Welcome back.

Do you really think a team in our position should really be looking at adding a power play specialist, on defense, for the price that Liles will likely cost?

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I watched that movie, "The Prestige" for the first time, the other day. I am now reminded of Vrbata. He's a tricky player on the ice, and he's got one hell of a "Vanishing Man" act. He can dazzle you, and then make himself disappear. It's pretty amazing, actually. He may be in the wrong line of work. He just had a birthday a couple of weeks ago. Maybe someone should get him a cape and a wand as a belated present. Too little, too late is right up his alley, anyway.


He reminds me a lot of Samsonov in that regard. If his confidence is high he does well. If it is low -- and if you take away his minutes it is going to be low -- he quickly becomes useless.

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Do you really think a team in our position should really be looking at adding a power play specialist, on defense, for the price that Liles will likely cost?
what position are you referring to? we are going to need salary we need D tell me oh great RT what would you have us do?

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what position are you referring to? we are going to need salary we need D tell me oh great RT what would you have us do?
Give the money to redden. If he could be had for 5-5.5 million, i think he's worth it IMHO. In the prime of his career, good for at least another 4-5 years, durable, Team Canada experience, lots of playoff experience - this is a guy that can be our legitimate #2 man (if not #1), and be solid.

Could he be had under 6 million? Who would compete with us for his services? Rags?

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what position are you referring to? we are going to need salary we need D tell me oh great RT what would you have us do?
A our team is in the position of having one of the best defenseman in the entire NHL on the power play in Ed Jovanovski, already. As well as being in the position of having just added Olli Jokinen, who is also one of the better point men in the league on the power play. Olli was third in the entire NHL, amonst all NHLers, in power play goals scored, and he did so while manning Florida's point. Ed Jovanovski was tied for sixth amongst all NHL defenseman in that same category.

Our team is also in the position of having Peter Mueller, who was tremmendous on the point, during our power plays, last season. In fact, he earned 22 of his 54 points last season, playing that role, which was good enough to tie him for second amongst all NHL rookies in power play points.

Our team is also in the position of having added Kyle Turris late last season. Turris, like Mueller, has been a mainstay on the point of all of his amateur clubs, during powerplays, and is very good in that role. As is Mikkel Boedker, who's play on the point of Kitchener's power play last season, was one of the main reasons that unit was one of the best in the entire CHL. Having had the opportunity to watch him in the Memorial Cup, I would bet that his ability to run a power play from the point, will be one of his strongest suits as an NHLer.

Our team is in the position of having added all of these pieces to what was already the eleventh ranked power play in the league, last season. This despite having an overall offense ranked 21st, overall, and being ranked fourth to last in even strength scoring.

Conversly, our Penalty Kill was ranked 24th in the NHL, despite our overall team defense being ranked a much more respectable 17th. Our team is now in the position of having lost it's number one penalty killing defenseman, as well as it's number four, in that category. Matthias Tjarnqvist, our team's best penalty killing forward is also currently without a contract.

That's the postion we are in.

John Michael Liles was SEVENTH amongst Avalanche defenseman in average even strength time on ice per game, last season. He recieved almost no penalty killing time whatsoever, and a quarter of all of his minutes played came on the power play, as did all but one of his goals, and 63% of his total point output, last season.

Shelling out four million bucks a year to a outsider, powerplay specialist, defenseman just doesn't seem like a good use of our limited money, and precious few roster spots left over for veteren players, for a team in our position.

As for what I would do, I guess I'd try to fill positions of need. The needs I can identify are on the penalty kill, and overall team defense. I would probably use that precious little money we have to spend on some veteren players who can kill penalties and help keep the puck out of our net, in general, to fill those precious few spots we have for veterens. In smaller areas of need I think we could use some help on face-offs, and Wayne Gretzky has expressed a desire for the team to get bigger, and tougher, so I might try to address some of that, too, if I could find good fits.

For example, if you are interested in names, I'd probably look at going after Wayne Primeau, from the Flames. He's good defensively, is very good at faceoffs, is very large, and is a pretty tough customer. Bryce Salvador is still without a contract and is scheduled for UFA. He's big, mobile, tough, and a very good PKer. I think a player like him would go a long way in replacing what we lost in Keith Ballard and Nick Boynton. Beyond Salvador, and his comparables, I'd probably look at adding another similar, but cheaper defenseman, for our bottom pairing. Perhaps somebody like Jim Vandermeer would be a good choice to replace Nick Boynton, in that role. I imagine we could get all three for less than six million dollars a year, combined.


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Fair enough. Thanks for the homework on Liles... what are your feelings on Stuart?

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Fair enough. Thanks for the homework on Liles... what are your feelings on Stuart?
I like the idea of adding him. I think he'd look good next to Morris, and would be good filling Ballard's role on the team.

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I like the idea of adding him. I think he'd look good next to Morris, and would be good filling Ballard's role on the team.
I like the idea of adding a big body all of our youngins still need to add their big boy weight...

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Primeau, Salvador, and Vandermeer are all pretty big guys. I'm not totally set on those three, but they are examples of what I would be looking for, and I'd be pretty happy if that's what we ended up with. Of course bigger names like Stuart and Foote would be cool, too. I just think Jokinen and his ten million dollar price tag is probably enough of a big splash for this management/ownership, this summer.

EDIT: it may look like I pulled those names out of nowhere. I added a paragraph, or two, at the end of my huge post, after you had already read it.

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still gotta reach that rising cap floor we are barely at 29.9 million roughly with the floor being 40.3 roughly that gives us $10.4 million to fill in...

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still gotta reach that rising cap floor we are barely at 29.9 million roughly with the floor being 40.3 roughly that gives us $10.4 million to fill in...
Are you including Jokinen, and Carcillo's innevitable raise? I don't really think there can be anyway we won't be pretty easily over the floor. Six and a half million for Jovo, five and a half million for Jokinen, four and a half million for both Doan and Bryzgalov, and four million for Morris should go a long way. In fact, that's 25 million right there. Where are you getting this 29.9 total number?

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If we are giving bags of Money away

Pickup Orpik and Stuart.

I think we would have a shot at Stuart since he seems to be rooted in LA but does not want to play there. He will cost 4m or more per and likely want a 5yr deal. Orpik would be great to have, young and a hitter and shot blocker. Also Commodore comes to mind if for no other reason but the playoff hair.



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Our team is also in the position of having added Kyle Turris late last season. Turris, like Mueller, has been a mainstay on the point of all of his amateur clubs, during powerplays, and is very good in that role.
I'm pretty sure Turris plays primarily on the half-wall during the power play. That is what I remember from watching Wisconcin, the International tournaments, and his brief 3 game stint with the Coyotes.

This is very good because as you alluded to, we are stocked with skill at the point, and Turris will slot perfectly into Vrbata's role on the PP.

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