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06-29-2008, 10:19 AM
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Panthers may move Horton to center

From today's Herald (Barry Jackson, not GR):

Panthers general manager Jacques Martin said he might move winger Nathan Horton to center to replace Olli Jokinen and has $4-5 million to spend on one free agent center or winger if he chooses. Though the Panthers ranked 20th in goals and lost Jokinen, Martin said he isn't worried: ``Three playoff teams scored less than we did -- the Rangers, Devils and Bruins.''

http://www.miamiherald.com/1262/story/587113.html


I don't like Martin's attitude about the scoring though. So what if 3 playoff teams scored less than us? Our goal should be to score more goals, period, because that's how you WIN in this NHL, Mr. Martin. Ugh!

Edit: Oops, misread that. So if Nate is at center with Weiss being the other, then the Sunrise Express Line is done. It could pay off if Nate gels with whoever, but it could also stunt his growth since he's played exclusively at RW since being in the NHL. I still really hope they try to bring in someone with some scoring experience since our top 6 forwards are all under 25.


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From today's Herald (Barry Jackson, not GR):

Panthers general manager Jacques Martin said he might move winger Nathan Horton to center to replace Olli Jokinen and has $4-5 million to spend on one free agent center or winger if he chooses. Though the Panthers ranked 20th in goals and lost Jokinen, Martin said he isn't worried: ``Three playoff teams scored less than we did -- the Rangers, Devils and Bruins.''

http://www.miamiherald.com/1262/story/587113.html

So Horton and Jokinen gone? Wow. They better go after Hossa HARD if they move Nate...

I don't like Martin's attitude about the scoring though. So what if 3 playoff teams scored less than us? Our goal should be to score more goals, period, because that's how you WIN in this NHL, Mr. Martin. Ugh!
Uh yeah. They Martin might get Nate to play center rather than RW which can't be that bad of an idea. You do know that he'll still be on the team, right? I hope so.

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06-29-2008, 10:23 AM
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From today's Herald (Barry Jackson, not GR):

Panthers general manager Jacques Martin said he might move winger Nathan Horton to center to replace Olli Jokinen and has $4-5 million to spend on one free agent center or winger if he chooses. Though the Panthers ranked 20th in goals and lost Jokinen, Martin said he isn't worried: ``Three playoff teams scored less than we did -- the Rangers, Devils and Bruins.''

http://www.miamiherald.com/1262/story/587113.html

So Horton and Jokinen gone? Wow. They better go after Hossa HARD if they move Nate...
I don't like Martin's attitude about the scoring though. So what if 3 playoff teams scored less than us? Our goal should be to score more goals, period, because that's how you WIN in this NHL, Mr. Martin. Ugh![/QUOTE]

He's not saying he will TRADE Horton, he's saying he is not a RW anymore he will play CENTER and spend 4-5m on free-agents THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE WANTED.


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From today's Herald (Barry Jackson, not GR):

Panthers general manager Jacques Martin said he might move winger Nathan Horton to center to replace Olli Jokinen and has $4-5 million to spend on one free agent center or winger if he chooses. Though the Panthers ranked 20th in goals and lost Jokinen, Martin said he isn't worried: ``Three playoff teams scored less than we did -- the Rangers, Devils and Bruins.''

http://www.miamiherald.com/1262/story/587113.html

So Horton and Jokinen gone? Wow. They better go after Hossa HARD if they move Nate...

I don't like Martin's attitude about the scoring though. So what if 3 playoff teams scored less than us? Our goal should be to score more goals, period, because that's how you WIN in this NHL, Mr. Martin. Ugh!

He didn't say he would move him out, jsut to center, but I doubt it since his style is more suited for a winger. He talks about where we are in goals compared to last year but that was with an established 35 goals a year guy. Now where are we?

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He didn't say he would move him out, jsut to center, but I doubt it since his style is more suited for a winger. He talks about where we are in goals compared to last year but that was with an established 35 goals a year guy. Now where are we?
He was drafted and played in the Juniors as a Center. He was a MUCH better player as a center and I have no doubt now that he will get 35-40 goals if he plays it.

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You don't think after playing RW all these years that would be good for his progress?

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You don't think after playing RW all these years that would be good for his progress?
It doesn't really make a difference at all dude. He played C til he was 19... I think he's a little more of a center.

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He was drafted and played in the Juniors as a Center. He was a MUCH better player as a center and I have no doubt now that he will get 35-40 goals if he plays it.

In the NHL the center position requires being a lot more defensively responsible and he also never had much success with faceoffs at this level, even though he came out of juniors with that as a strength. He would require a complete new focus that maybe the new coach could give him, but that would also break up what we think is a very strong line.

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The thing is you move Horton to center and there goes the Booth-Weiss-Horton line and with it the Panthers one established scoring line.

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In the NHL the center position requires being a lot more defensively responsible and he also never had much success with faceoffs at this level, even though he came out of juniors with that as a strength. He would require a complete new focus that maybe the new coach could give him, but that would also break up what we think is a very strong line.
Well if JM is going to spend that 4-5M we now will have a great top-6 and a great D core with solid goaltending. Thats playoffs.

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From today's Herald (Barry Jackson, not GR):

Panthers general manager Jacques Martin said he might move winger Nathan Horton to center to replace Olli Jokinen and has $4-5 million to spend on one free agent center or winger if he chooses. Though the Panthers ranked 20th in goals and lost Jokinen, Martin said he isn't worried: ``Three playoff teams scored less than we did -- the Rangers, Devils and Bruins.''

http://www.miamiherald.com/1262/story/587113.html


I don't like Martin's attitude about the scoring though. So what if 3 playoff teams scored less than us? Our goal should be to score more goals, period, because that's how you WIN in this NHL, Mr. Martin. Ugh!

Edit: Oops, misread that. So if Nate is at center with Weiss being the other, then the Sunrise Express Line is done. It could pay off if Nate gels with whoever, but it could also stunt his growth since he's played exclusively at RW since being in the NHL. I still really hope they try to bring in someone with some scoring experience since our top 6 forwards are all under 25.
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This is exactly what you guys all wanted, more offense...He's trying to give you more offense!

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In the NHL the center position requires being a lot more defensively responsible and he also never had much success with faceoffs at this level, even though he came out of juniors with that as a strength. He would require a complete new focus that maybe the new coach could give him, but that would also break up what we think is a very strong line.
In essense, what the trading of Jokinen and moving of Horton to center does is screwing up both of your scoring lines instead of just one.

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In essense, what the trading of Jokinen and moving of Horton to center does is screwing up both of your scoring lines instead of just one.
Let see Martin just told you that he is going to spend 4-5m on a free-agent and MIGHT move horton BACK to Center to create more offense. Who knows if BWH will be solid next year honestly and now when you guys wanted more offense and he strives to give it to you you still bash it....thats ridiculous.

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What JM should do, which means he won't do, is sign a center and winger to play with Olesz on a second line and leave well enough alone with Booth-Weiss-Horton. My suggestion, Stillman-Morrison-Olesz.

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What JM should do, which means he won't do, is sign a center and winger to play with Olesz on a second line and leave well enough alone with Booth-Weiss-Horton. My suggestion, Stillman-Morrison-Olesz.
Or have a top six of either:
Rolston-Horton-McLean
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McLean-Langkow-Horton
Booth-Weiss-Olesz

...thats pretty damn good with solid D and GT.

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Langkow has re-signed with Calgary. Also, the article states that Martin has $4-5 million to use "if he chooses". So like a lot of things, it isn't written in stone just yet. And I too am not a fan of splitting up the Sunrise Express line.

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This is one idea I could see helping Nate out, and helping the team out. I don't see the Booth-Weiss-Horton line as a legitimate 1st line. They were a solid 2nd line, but worrying about breaking them up is a bit silly.

Moving Nate to center and taking him off that line, might encourage him to shoot a bit more; as I saw it, he passed on too many scoring chances last year, when he had a better opportunity to score than Booth or Weiss. It's about time Horton became a top line player, and I'm not sure if Weiss is ready for top line minutes, or if Weiss will ever be anything more than a good 2nd liner.

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Langkow has re-signed with Calgary. Also, the article states that Martin has $4-5 million to use "if he chooses". So like a lot of things, it isn't written in stone just yet. And I too am not a fan of splitting up the Sunrise Express line.

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Alright, theres some other UFA Centers.

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In essense, what the trading of Jokinen and moving of Horton to center does is screwing up both of your scoring lines instead of just one.
It's not like it's set in stone. He might sign a center or a winger in FA he said. If he does sign a winger and Horton moves to center it does not mean he is there for the whole season. Maybe just to start. We have Weiss, Kreps & Matthias as centers. Campbell can also play center too. So if Horton struggles at center just move him back to RW. He didn't say anywhere in that article that Horton would play center for the whole season.

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In the NHL the center position requires being a lot more defensively responsible and he also never had much success with faceoffs at this level
A center who isn't responsible defensively and isn't good at faceoffs on the top line of the Panthers? Shocking.

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A center who isn't responsible defensively and isn't good at faceoffs on the top line of the Panthers? Shocking.
We've never had that before....

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Or have a top six of either:
Rolston-Horton-McLean
Booth-Weiss-Olesz

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McLean-Langkow-Horton
Booth-Weiss-Olesz

...thats pretty damn good with solid D and GT.
I would prefer a guy like Rolston who can play the PK because that would make Dvorak expendable and we can package him and Van Ryn for another winger!

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I like this idea a lot, it's painfully obvious our offense needed/needs to be rebuilt (and that was with Olli on the team), so why not move Horton to where he's had the most success at in his hockey career? Playing RW has made him a very lazy player and hopefully those bad habits will disappear with this new role under DeBoer, who knows, maybe he'll surprise everyone and start playing like a Ryan Getzlaf?

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