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07-01-2008, 11:36 AM
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Bigger Impact: Swedes or Russians?

I saw this question posed on Yahoo Sports and figured it could be a pretty good debate here. Pretty simple question, who has the bigger impact on the NHL today. Sweden or Russia?

As a Wings fan, I get to enjoy one of the best from each country but here's the overall list of the top players from each country

SWEDEN ||| RUSSIA
Markus Naslund / Ilja Kovalchuk
Niklas Sundstrom / Evgeni Malkin
Daniel Alfredsson / Alexei Kovalev
Fredrik Modin / Alexei Yashin
Peter Forsberg / Sergei Fedorov
PJ Axelsson / Andrei Markov
Mats Sundin / Alexander Ovechkin
Nils Ekman / Alexei Zhamnov
Henrik Lundquivst / Alexei Semenov
Marcus Nilson / Alex Korolyuk
Johan Franzen / Sergei Samsonov
Mikael Holmqvist / Alexander Karpovtsev
Tomas Holmstrom / Vyacheslav Kozlov
Niklas Kronwall / Andrei Nazorov
Nicklas Lidstrom / Nik Antropov
Andreas Lijla / Pavel Datsyuk
Jonathon Ericsson / Alexander Semin
Mikael Samuelsson / Sergei Gonchar
Henrik Zetterberg / Evgeni Nabokov
Samuel Pahlsson / Fedor Tyutin
Daniel Sedin / Anton Volchenkov
Henrik Sedin / Nikolai Khabibulin
Tobias Enstrom / Sergei Zubov
Kristian Huselius /
Douglass Murray /
Joel Lundqvist /
Henrik Tallinder /
Mattias Ohlund /
Michael Nylander /
Niklas Backstrom /

I'm sure i'm forgetting some....
nearly an even amount of players though, should be enough to go on. Obviously Detroit's Swedes made a huge impact this year, but Ovechkin cleaned up at the awards ceremony and Malkin was also a Hart candidate. So Russia might be more top heavy but do they have more overall skill than the Swedes?


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07-01-2008, 11:38 AM
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I saw this question posed on Yahoo Sports and figured it could be a pretty good debate here. Pretty simple question, who has the bigger impact on the NHL today. Sweden or Russia?

As a Wings fan, I get to enjoy one of the best from each country but here's the overall list of the top players from each country

SWEDEN ||| RUSSIA
Markus Naslund / Ilja Kovalchuk
Niklas Sundstrom / Evgeni Malkin
Sergei Gonchar / Pavel Datsyuk
Daniel Alfredsson / Alexei Kovalev
Fredrik Modin / Alexei Yashin
Peter Forsberg / Sergei Fedorov
PJ Axelsson / Andrei Markov
Tommy Albelin / Alexander Ovechkin
Nils Ekman / Alexei Zhamnov
Henrik Lundquivst / Alexei Semenov
Marcus Nilson / Alex Korolyuk
Johan Franzen / Sergei Samsonov
Mikael Holmqvist / Alexander Karpovtsev
Tomas Holmstrom / Vyacheslav Kozlov
Niklas Kronwall / Andrei Nazorov
Nicklas Lidstrom / Nik Antropov
Andreas Lijla
Mattias Norstrom
Mikael Samuelsson
Henrik Zetterberg

I'm sure i'm forgetting some....
nearly an even amount of players though, should be enough to go on. Obviously Detroit's Swedes made a huge impact this year, but Ovechkin cleaned up at the awards ceremony and Malkin was also a Hart candidate. So Russia might be more top heavy but do they have more overall skill than the Swedes?
Gonchar is Russian.

Add Semin in there as well.

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07-01-2008, 11:41 AM
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Gonchar is Russian.

Add Semin in there as well.
thanks for pointing that out. I had Gonchar on the Russian side but looks like he shifted over. wasn't intentional.

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Russians are making bigger impact in offence but there are some great D men who are swede.

If they were to face each other, it would make an entertaining game.

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Nabakov for Russia. also Tyutin.

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Russia clearly have the upper hand when it comes to offense. The only Russian top forward today that really dominates defensivly aswell is Datsyuk.

Otherwise, i think Sweden have the advantage when it comes to overally impact, considering all facets in the game.

Still, Russia would kick our ass if we wen't head to head, they never match good with our kind of play.

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thanks for pointing that out. I had Gonchar on the Russian side but looks like he shifted over. wasn't intentional.
I figured it was a typo.

Volchenkov is Russian as well.
Pahlsson is Swedsh

I think the Russians may be better offensively but on average the Swedes have a more rounded game.

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makes sense that Sweden would have the upper hand on defense. The Swedish school of hockey generally preaches/teaches defensive responsibility first and offense second. (one reason why Detroit loves them so much I would guess)

on Sweden you have a 6 time Norris trophy winner
on Russia you have a Hart winner and runner-up

makes it hard to call

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thanks for pointing that out.
Ken Holland wasn't promoted to General Manager of the Red Wings until July 1997, so your signature is incorrect.

Also, Hockey-Reference.com has a tool that might be useful to you in trying to compile a lists of players from Sweden and Russia (use USSR, because that's technically where the players were born between 1922 and 1991.)

You can sort by Games Played, Points and other categories if you wish.

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Ken Holland wasn't promoted to General Manager of the Red Wings until July 1997, so your signature is incorrect.
I know. He was an assistant GM though. I wanted to make it work so I'm stretching it a bit

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The Swedish school of hockey generally preaches/teaches defensive responsibility first and offense second.
I think that the "Swedish school" of hockey generally preaches/teaches team responsibility first and personal ability second.

That is of course often translates into defensive/offensive but I think there's a difference.

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Niklas Sundström plays in Sweden and Tommy Albelin and Norström is retired. Forsberg is injured all the time.

List of possible replacements:

Sundin, Huselius, Murray, J.Lundqivst, L.Ericsson,H.Tallinder,D&H Sedin,Öhlund,Nylander, Bäckström...

Russia has more players in the NHL than Sweden so the impact ought higher from thier part, though obviously this year the Swedes might got the edge.

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Niklas Sundström plays in Sweden and Tommy Albelin and Norström is retired. Forsberg is injured all the time.

List of possible replacements:

Sundin, Huselius, Murray, J.Lundqivst, L.Ericsson,H.Tallinder,D&H Sedin,Öhlund,Nylander, Bäckström...

Russia has more players in the NHL than Sweden so the impact ought higher from thier part, though obviously this year the Swedes might got the edge.
there is more swedes than russians in NHL! what kind a edge do you give to Sweden this year?!!! Russians have better forwards but swedes have a better defense . goalies are even. russians have a more star players.

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Half of Swedish national team just won the Cup so..

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Add Tobias Enstrom for the Swedes and Nikolai Khabibulin + Sergei Zubov for the Russians.

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Besides LIdstrom and maybe forsberg, Overall Russians have way more impact. Ovechkin, Malkin, Kovalchuk holy crap the best goal scorers in the world is from that nation, and they produce better skating players then the rest of the world.

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Well I say Russia is a bigger impact but I would draft a Swede before a Russian. Why? Because you have to pay for the rights of the Russian to exit his country

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Niklas Sundström plays in Sweden and Tommy Albelin and Norström is retired. Forsberg is injured all the time.

List of possible replacements:

Sundin, Huselius, Murray, J.Lundqivst, L.Ericsson,H.Tallinder,D&H Sedin,Öhlund,Nylander, Bäckström...

Russia has more players in the NHL than Sweden so the impact ought higher from thier part, though obviously this year the Swedes might got the edge.
heh. yep those are some obvious ones I left out. I'll add them in.

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there is more swedes than russians in NHL! what kind a edge do you give to Sweden this year?!!! Russians have better forwards but swedes have a better defense . goalies are even. russians have a more star players.
well I was looking at Detroit, but sure in the scoring race we had several Russians yes, but the stanley cup is still the goal of this game.

And I get to be a homer a bit I think! There are plenty of us homerish guys here

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Obviously Detroit's Swedes made a huge impact this year, but Ovechkin cleaned up at the awards ceremony and Malkin was also a Hart candidate. So Russia might be more top heavy but do they have more overall skill than the Swedes?
Zetterberg received the perhaps biggest award of them all, if you're the best player in the playoffs you're the best player in the NHL(imo).
And Lidstrom won the Norris as per usual.

I'd say Russia and Sweden are quite even.

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As you pointed out,
Russians: Top of the line
Swedes: Better overall

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I like the Swedes.

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Add Tobias Enstrom for the Swedes and Nikolai Khabibulin + Sergei Zubov for the Russians.
Nope he's American now.

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