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07-01-2008, 09:18 PM
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I guess its between DET , PIT and EDM now with EDM the highest bid and DET the best place to win a cup.
I heard from TSN that Montreal was in the running for Hossa.
I guess it's possible if they gave up on Sundin and still want to sign a big name.
I guess Montreal would be between Edmonton and Detroit, in terms of being able to offer more money than Detroit and being more of a contender than Edmonton.

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I'm hoping this becomes WWE and San Jose comes down the rafters and hits Pit and Edm in the head with chairs and takes Hossa
ha I was thinking the same thing.

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TSN made it clear that Edmonton are pushing the hardest. Apparently they've said they will match any offer and have already had a "member of their roster" talk to Hossa on the phone to tell him about the city of Edmonton.
The member of the roster was actually a ex-member, it was Chris Pronger....

Hey Marian, do not come here, your wife will hate it !

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07-01-2008, 09:29 PM
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Boston just signed Ryder, so I think that takes them out of the runnings for Hossa.

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More like between Surrey and Washington State. Nice area.

Anyhoo, should be interesting on what Hossa decides soon enough. Either play for a contender or play for a bit more money. Decisions.
if edmonton lands hossa they are a contender

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Boston just signed Ryder, so I think that takes them out of the runnings for Hossa.
Pretty much. Although because you can go 10% over the salary cap they could in theory offer 8.1 Million and they would be ok. Anything above though and they would be out of luck unless they make a trade to free up salary first (or waive someone although i'm not sure if that goes off the books right away)

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The member of the roster was actually a ex-member, it was Chris Pronger....

Hey Marian, do not come here, your wife will hate it !
Hey - that's pretty funny. I'm sure that no one ever considered that before... we better keep that Pronger guy away from Hossa! Quick! grab his Blackberry!

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The member of the roster was actually a ex-member, it was Chris Pronger....

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Hey Chris, do not bring your wife here, We hate her !
I dont know how many french Canadian players were rumoured to not want to play for the habs because of the environment/spotlight.
I'm not sure who actually called Marian; Smid, and Hemsky are both Czechs, and Visnovsky is still in shock about being traded 24 hours before his NTC kicking in.
IIRC Czech, and Slovak are somewhat similiar languages.

It will be announced tomorrow at Darryl Katz's presser.

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it was said on 1260 that hemsky and moreau were the players who contacted hossa

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if edmonton lands hossa they are a contender
I'm sure Oil fans would agree with that.

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if edmonton lands hossa they are a contender
I don't know if I would put them as contenders.
I would say definatley a playoff team, but I don't know about a definite contender.
Offense is there but I don't know how the team will be defensively, and I don't think Garon/Roloson can hold the fort if they arent strong defensively.

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I don't know if I would put them as contenders.
I would say definatley a playoff team, but I don't know about a definite contender.
Offense is there but I don't know how the team will be defensively, and I don't think Garon/Roloson can hold the fort if they arent strong defensively.
Garon did last year until he was injured, and Roloson did a decent job down the stretch for us. Garon and Roloson will be playing for contracts this year so hopefully both of them are well prepared. Its the sophmore slump for Nilsson, Gagner, Cogliano, Brodziak, and Gilbert that I'm worried about

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I don't know if I would put them as contenders.
I would say definatley a playoff team, but I don't know about a definite contender.
Offense is there but I don't know how the team will be defensively, and I don't think Garon/Roloson can hold the fort if they arent strong defensively.
i agree 100%, edmonton would be a definite playoff team, but not nearly a legit cup contender, as their goaltending is shaky at best.

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07-01-2008, 10:00 PM
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Atlanta needs to find a way to spend to the cap floor.

If they promised Hossa to absolutely sign Demitra to a deal would he return?

It would be highly unlikely, but it's a tactic worth trying.

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Goaltending is not a big problem for the Oilers, at least the way Garon played last year. A soft defense very well could be however.

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i agree 100%, edmonton would be a definite playoff team, but not nearly a legit cup contender, as their goaltending is shaky at best.
I wouldn't say "shaky at best" is fair. I'd say Garon and Roloson are very good at best but we have no guarantees that Garon is going to come in and perform like he did last season. I think he will perform like last season because he was playing at a realistic level. It's not like he came in and looked like Luongo for a few weeks. He just played well for half the season and if he can continue to play like that then the Oilers have a good starter.

As for the defense. People look at it like it's weak because our "big names" aren't gods in their own zone. Souray is solid and Visnovsky is solid. Thats good enough because we're going to be counting on them for offense. People are aware of Gilbert but not many no a whole lot about his game. Even know he can move the puck well, he's very good defensively. The same can be said for Grebeshkov. Staios is a given and even 22 year old Smid should be considered a defensive defensemen at this point in his career. We have a good mix of offensive and defensive Dmen....some just tend to go under the radar. It's not a great defense because there is a lot of inexperience but it's fairly skilled.

I don't think the Oilers are a cup contender even with Hossa though. I think we'd be like the Pens of 2007 and Caps and Canadiens of this year. We might be able to get through one or maybe even 2 rounds on skill but we'd probably be one year away from really being a true contender.

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07-01-2008, 10:17 PM
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i agree 100%, edmonton would be a definite playoff team, but not nearly a legit cup contender, as their goaltending is shaky at best.
you need to watch more Oiler games...goaltending wasn't our problem last year

When all is said and done, I doubt Hossa signs here

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if edmonton lands hossa they are a contender
No way. Contender for what? The playoffs.

Edmonton would still be way behind teams like the Redwings and others in the West. Do you really think Hossa puts you with the Redwings?

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Edmonton? Pittsburgh is on the verge of a dynasty and Hossa is going to a non playoff team because he was insulted at $7 million a year offered to him by Pittsburgh. If I had the chance to play with 66% of the 3 best players in the NHL I wouldnt need a gun held to my head. Does he truly NOT want to win? Because this is what I get from that type of thinking. Even with Hossa Edmonton doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell at winning anything. DOnt believe me? Just check to see how well Hossa did with Kovalchuk in Atlanta. All of the sudden Hossa is a future Hall of Famer now in his eyes?

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Penguins
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Hmm hard choice.No doubt he need more time to think
But personnaly if i were hossa i would hesitate between Detroit/MTl and Pittburgs and use Edmonton to pump my contract $$

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Edmonton? Pittsburgh is on the verge of a dynasty and Hossa is going to a non playoff team because he was insulted at $7 million a year offered to him by Pittsburgh. If I had the chance to play with 66% of the 3 best players in the NHL I wouldnt need a gun held to my head. Does he truly NOT want to win? Because this is what I get from that type of thinking. Even with Hossa Edmonton doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell at winning anything. DOnt believe me? Just check to see how well Hossa did with Kovalchuk in Atlanta. All of the sudden Hossa is a future Hall of Famer now in his eyes?
Acquiring Hossa will not make the Oilers win the Stanley Cup but it will certainly make them favorites to win their division. Remember: When you make the playoffs, anything can happen. Hossa is a five time all-star and he will be playing with a fellow all-star in Horcoff and one of the best playmakers in the league in Hemsky. Add in power forwards Erik Cole and Dustin Penner along with young sensations in Gagner, Cogliano, and Nilsson and you have a formidable set of forwards.
The defense looks shaky in terms of the defensive side, but Edmonton has a puck-moving and offensive defense core as good as any in the league. Lubomir Visnovsky and Sheldon Souray are dynamite on the PP and Gilbert and Grebeshkov were able to shut down forwards like Iginla and Gaborik down the stretch.
Roloson will most likely be traded to clear cap space, but Garon proved he could post solid numbers and carry a team last year. The backup position will be the big ? though.

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Hmm hard choice.No doubt he need more time to think
But personnaly if i were hossa i would hesitate between Detroit/MTl and Pittburgs and use Edmonton to pump my contract $$
Detroits offer isn't going any higher. I'm sure Holland has told Hossa hes not going to budge on his offer. Frankly, Im impressed by Hossa if this is true. Not because I think Hossa will sign with Detroit - I dont - but Im surprised Hossa even took a 2nd look at Detroits offer considering its under 7M. That says a lot about his character that hes willing to sacrifice the cup for perennial competitiveness.

And thats not to say any other team wouldnt be a competitive choice, just that the Wings are a pretty sure bet for contention.

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Edmonton? Pittsburgh is on the verge of a dynasty and Hossa is going to a non playoff team because he was insulted at $7 million a year offered to him by Pittsburgh. If I had the chance to play with 66% of the 3 best players in the NHL I wouldnt need a gun held to my head. Does he truly NOT want to win? Because this is what I get from that type of thinking. Even with Hossa Edmonton doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell at winning anything. DOnt believe me? Just check to see how well Hossa did with Kovalchuk in Atlanta. All of the sudden Hossa is a future Hall of Famer now in his eyes?
The Oilers were most likely a playoff team without Visnovsky and Cole. If we add Hossa we're a favorite for the division. The Oilers went 25-15-2 in 2008 without Horcoff(MVP), Souray(Best defensemen), Moreau(captain) and Torres. Aswell as Pitkanen being in and out of the line up and Hemsky playing with a sprained wrist. Now we've upgraded our top pairing on defense and upgraded our top 6 with pretty much no subtraction since Stoll was expendable and at this point Greene is just a 5/6 defenseman.

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Rumor on the Oil board is that Rich Winters is meeting with Lowe right now, as I type. Take it for what its worth....

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Rich Winter is meeting with Daryl Katz and Kevin Lowe right now (meeting probably just ended).

I'm gonna guess this is gonna be Katz' baby since Winter and Lowe are not friends, but Katz and Winter are good friends.

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