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07-02-2008, 03:56 PM
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just say no to juice

he is not a shooter,he is hemsky light,i dont get why everyone thinks we don't have a superstar.ALES HEMSKY is a superstar.i would pay over $200 a night to see him dangle with the puck.i wouldn't pay that to see hossa shoot the puck and score.or jagr cry when a shift doesn't go his way.you guys who live in edmonton are very lucky you get to see this guy live 40+ times a year.

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07-02-2008, 04:15 PM
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Gagner doesn't need to play that role and I expect you'll see him on the top line most times this season.

As well as Horcoff plays that role, the question will be how much do you pay Horcoff to be a defensive centre or can you replace those skills for less?
80 points a season is better than a defensive centre. He was clearly on target for that and did it once before.

Horcoff is underrated on these boards as much as Pitkanen was overrated IMO.

But as I said it really depends on what they have and what they do.

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07-02-2008, 04:18 PM
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I hope he's not done but at the same time I also hope he avoids the UFA market. There's noone remaining that is worthwhile IMO, especially with the overpay that it will likely require. Jagr is the only one that even moderately interests me and he would probably cost a ton. With this being said, I'd like Lowe to do everything he can to pick up a Kovalchuk (speculation). Even a Martin Havlat like someone else mentioned would be beneficial to this team and IMO a better investment than signing Hossa to a deal with close to a double-digit cap hit.

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07-02-2008, 04:20 PM
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just say no to juice

he is not a shooter,he is hemsky light,i dont get why everyone thinks we don't have a superstar.ALES HEMSKY is a superstar.i would pay over $200 a night to see him dangle with the puck.i wouldn't pay that to see hossa shoot the puck and score.or jagr cry when a shift doesn't go his way.you guys who live in edmonton are very lucky you get to see this guy live 40+ times a year.
Get a TV, you too can see him live 40+ times a year.

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07-02-2008, 04:22 PM
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80 points a season is better than a defensive centre. He was clearly on target for that and did it once before.

Horcoff is underrated on these boards as much as Pitkanen was overrated IMO.

But as I said it really depends on what they have and what they do.
C'mon you know as well as I do Horcoff has never scored 80 points in a season...73 is his high.

And it's extremely unlikely that he'll be a PPG game player next season when Gagner gets more PP time.

He definitely has made progress on his offensive skills but I see his role changing. Whether he accepts it or not is the big question.

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07-02-2008, 04:27 PM
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actually, I think Flames fans would have twice as much to rub in your face them....
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07-02-2008, 04:28 PM
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No hardcore checking line, but I would like to see the Oilers give Schremp a chance before signing someone like Demitra or Juice, then re-evaluate after the first 20 games.

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07-02-2008, 04:29 PM
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C'mon you know as well as I do Horcoff has never scored 80 points in a season...73 is his high.

And it's extremely unlikely that he'll be a PPG game player next season when Gagner gets more PP time.

He definitely has made progress on his offensive skills but I see his role changing. Whether he accepts it or not is the big question.
He was on pace for 77 this year and yes that is a little bit of hyberbole to say two 80 point seasons.

But he is clearly more than a defensive center.

At present we do not have a replacement and he plays so much in other situations I don't see his ice time going down.

That being said we don't really disagree, the Oilers may try to replace him but if they feel they can not then they will try to extend him.


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He was on pace for 83 this year and yes that is a little bit of hyberbole to say two 80 point seasons.
He was on pace for 77, you have his points and GP mixed up.

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He was on pace for 77, you have his points and GP mixed up.
Yes I realized that after, thanks for the correction.

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07-02-2008, 04:46 PM
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He was on pace for 77 this year and yes that is a little bit of hyberbole to say two 80 point seasons.

But he is clearly more than a defensive center.

At present we do not have a replacement and he plays so much in other situations I don't see his ice time going down.

That being said we don't really disagree, the Oilers may try to replace him but if they feel they can not then they will try to extend him.
My wish would be they don't have to replace him but I think he'll be the one to decide. Gagner is offensively gifted and it would be a mistake to hold that back.

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07-02-2008, 04:48 PM
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Even a Martin Havlat like someone else mentioned would be beneficial to this team and IMO a better investment than signing Hossa to a deal with close to a double-digit cap hit.
I like the Havlat idea. Chicago are in cap trouble so they might trade him. Being on his last year of the contract might provide extra motivation for him to excel.

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My wish would be they don't have to replace him but I think he'll be the one to decide. Gagner is offensively gifted and it would be a mistake to hold that back.
The question might be what his contract demands might be.

I think we might be on the same wavelength but let me know.

If Horcoff is looking for a long term deal the Oilers might not be interested because Gagner is the future first line centre. Horcoff would probably too expensive as a second or third line centre.

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07-02-2008, 04:52 PM
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actually, I think Flames fans would have twice as much to rub in your face them....
why? cause you overpaid for a 4th liner with very little history in the league other than a 30 game stretch?

Enjoy paying him 100,000 per goal next year....that'll put you over the hump

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I don't think so. What if Hossa regresses or there are better options next off-season?. Who knew, for instance, Pronger would be available for scraps a few years ago?

And what if Malkin falls out with Crosby or Kovalchuk suddenly wants out of Atlanta?
Totally with you here. We're good to go to start the season. Some extra bodies who are going to be playing for their next contracts. And some potential bodies who may want to move - especially if their team is no further ahead come November.

Make a move worth making or wait till it's there. We got kids, we got some room, we got the mojo.

We don't need a body for the sake of a body. Our reputation is starting to get repaired.

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Depends on what else they do.

We really don't have a centre to replace him (Gagner is not going to be ready to assume that role in one years time)
We keep saying Gagner can't do this, can't do that. Have we not learned that nothing is definite with Sam Gagner?

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07-02-2008, 05:09 PM
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We keep saying Gagner can't do this, can't do that. Have we not learned that nothing is definite with Sam Gagner?
Let me clarify, I think he is a future star.

I just don't think he will be ready to assume first line duties completely after next season.

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I like the Havlat idea. Chicago are in cap trouble so they might trade him. Being on his last year of the contract might provide extra motivation for him to excel.
Damn, you're right. When I first read your post I didn't think it was that bad. Boy, was I wrong.

Go after him. If you can figure out a trade where we dump one of our dead weight salaries and get him that'd be awesome.

I'm thinking if there is any interest in Roloson (and no, I don't think that would be from the Hawks) we package him for a little something and pair that up with something else off our roster or farm team to land Havlat.

We'd have 3 killer scoring lines. Lots of punch to them.

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I like the Havlat idea. Chicago are in cap trouble so they might trade him. Being on his last year of the contract might provide extra motivation for him to excel.
We definitely do not need Havlat. Take the $6M you would spend for him to sit in the PB injured and put it towards 2 years of Naslund or Jagr (I doubt Demitra would sign short-term, so I didn't include him). Not only do we not have to trade assets for the player, but the cap space is better spent.

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just say no to juice

he is not a shooter,he is hemsky light,i dont get why everyone thinks we don't have a superstar.ALES HEMSKY is a superstar.i would pay over $200 a night to see him dangle with the puck.i wouldn't pay that to see hossa shoot the puck and score.or jagr cry when a shift doesn't go his way.you guys who live in edmonton are very lucky you get to see this guy live 40+ times a year.
Crosby, Malkin, Zetterberg, Ovechkin, Lecavalier, Kovalchuk ….Hemsky.

Sing with me! “One of these things is not like the other….one of these things does not belong….”

Sorry buddy, Hemsky is a great Talent but he’s not in that company yet, therefore, not a Superstar.

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The question might be what his contract demands might be.

I think we might be on the same wavelength but let me know.

If Horcoff is looking for a long term deal the Oilers might not be interested because Gagner is the future first line centre. Horcoff would probably too expensive as a second or third line centre.
A stab in the dark would be 6m over 5 years. Too much and too long IMO.

if it's 5-5.5 for 3...no problem but I doubt he'd do that.

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We definitely do not need Havlat. Take the $6M you would spend for him to sit in the PB injured and put it towards 2 years of Naslund or Jagr (I doubt Demitra would sign short-term, so I didn't include him). Not only do we not have to trade assets for the player, but the cap space is better spent.
If we rid ourselves of Fat Albert's contract we'd have some space to comfortably absorb Havlat. Yeah, he might be injured all season or he may step up and play like a crazy man looking for some crazy jack in the summer of '09.

Thirty-five million is committed for next year. If any of these soon to be free agents plays like a man possessed we have the space to absorb and new contract. If they're playing for a new contract elsewhere, great - maybe they'll play inspired hockey and get us back to the Finals.

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its funny how most people on this board underate Horcoff.We better extend his contract long term ,yeah thats right i said long term. And he should be captain after moreau. Hes a great leader. can score, good playmaker, play on the PK, hes a really really good player.

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its funny how most people on this board underate Horcoff.We better extend his contract long term ,yeah thats right i said long term. And he should be captain after moreau. Hes a great leader. can score, good playmaker, play on the PK, hes a really really good player.
I 100% agree.

The most important player on our first line is Horcs. Not hemsky, Not Penner/Cole/Gagner anyone else, because we don't have a guy that can take the draws, play defense and is sound offensively like Horcoff in our lineup. Cogs, Gagner and Brodziak could reach that point some day, bur right now its Horcs by a mile.

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