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07-03-2008, 01:41 AM
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I believe Edmonton right now (approx 1.1 million metro) is the smallest, a hair behind Ottawa, Calgary, and Buffalo. I expect Edmonton will probably surpass Buffalo soon if it hasn't already.

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07-03-2008, 01:51 AM
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I don't know about all US cities, but Raleigh is seemed much much smaller than Edmonton when I was there. I'd be very surprised if it was over half a million people.

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07-03-2008, 01:55 AM
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My initial thought was Edmonton as well.

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07-03-2008, 01:55 AM
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There are no NHL teams there at the moment, but the population in Hamilton, Ontario and Las Vegas are both comparable to Nashville's population.

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07-03-2008, 02:03 AM
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Metro populations, straight from wiki.. so umm, yeah.

Ottawa-Gatineau 1,130,761
Calgary Alberta 1,079,310
Edmonton Alberta 1,034,945

So if all the HF posters from Ottawa and Calgary moved to Edmonton, they would leap over the two.


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07-03-2008, 06:00 AM
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One thing to consider when looking at metropolitan population for Buffalo is that it only includes the US side. The 425,000 or more people just across the Niagara River in the Niagara Region of Ontario never, ever get added into the equation.

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07-03-2008, 08:54 AM
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Edmonton is actually a really populated city, about 750,000. They'd be in the top 15-20 range if it was counted in the U.S cities.

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07-03-2008, 09:24 AM
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The smallest metro areas, (which are the populations that matter), are Ottawa, Calgary and Edmonton. Calgary and Edmonton, barely have any suburbs compared to most of the other cities in the NHL. Buffalo is a small city aprox. the same size of Edmonton and Calgary but have a lot larger populations within a short drive. Nashville is anothe small city.
Columbus is a smaller metro area, but being in the central part of a state with major cities like Cleveland, Akron, Canton, Dayton, Toledo, Springfield and Cincinnati all with a short distance.
Many cities have smaller city populations but their metros are a lot bigger.

Detroit is a perfect example. The city has aprox 800,000 people but there are aprox. 5,000,000 in the metro area. The city is loaded witha high black population and with their being a lot more money in the suburbs, you could argue that less than 25 percent of the fans come from the city itself.


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07-03-2008, 09:53 AM
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2007 Census places Edmonton's metro closer to 1,100,000 and its proper as 760,000.

Just a tiny tad smaller than Calgary, Ottawa and Buffalo in terms of Metro size.

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07-03-2008, 10:18 AM
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I think the Islanders are the only team in pro sports to play in one giant suburb, there really is no mass transit to get to New York City and the area, I think this is a big reason why Isles attendance is so dreadful and with Gas Prices just going up I cant imagine this problem getting any better

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07-03-2008, 11:08 AM
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It's definetly Edmonton. They have just over a million people in the metropolitain area.

But it could rival Ottawa probably.

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07-03-2008, 11:20 AM
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Probably Ottawa

We are full of blood-sucking politicians not people.
the word "politics" is derived from the greek word "Poly" which means many, and the word "tics" which are blood sucking parasites.

Poly-tics = many blood sucking parasites

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07-03-2008, 11:33 AM
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Edmonton, Calgary, and Ottawa are all pretty close in populations. Edmonton is the smallest by approximately 100,000 people. This is likely to change for Edmonton and Calgary as the booming oil industry has meant massive increases in housing starts and incredibly low vacancy rates. AS more dwellings are constructed these populations will continue to boom as people flock to the west for high paying jobs in the oil industry. Ottawa 's population isn't growing as fast and could become the smallest in a few years if current trends continue.

I think it's funny that 3 of the smallest cities are all top 10 (top 7 I believe) in revenues.

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07-03-2008, 11:37 AM
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Wow! New York is the biggest by far!

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If you want to get technical Kanata where the sens rink is only has population of 55k
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Kanata is a suburb of Ottawa. I live here.
kanata is not a city, town, village, or even suburb

it is part of ottawa. The cities amalgamated. ages ago.

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07-03-2008, 12:03 PM
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Atlanta 470,688

Otttawa 1,190,982
LOL Atlanta has 5 MILLION PEOPLE.
The city boundaries are tiny and don't even cover Fulton County.

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07-03-2008, 12:07 PM
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You really have to look at metropolitan areas for a question like this. Of course, you could ask about what the actual city population is where the arena is located, but in locating the team in that area the NHL would have been considering the metropolitan fan-base for which the team would depend on. The actually physical location is sometimes in a small suburb which isn't in any way the complete base of the team.

With the Islanders, for instance, you'd have to consider at least Nassau County and perhaps Queens.

I'd say that the smallest NHL metro area right now would either be Raleigh-Durham or Edmonton. But really, Raleigh-Durham, Edmonton, and Calgary, they'd all be within less than 200,000 of each other. All would have a population between 1,075,000 and 1,250,000. Also, Ottawa and Buffalo are right around there as well.

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07-03-2008, 12:08 PM
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There are no NHL teams there at the moment, but the population in Hamilton, Ontario and Las Vegas are both comparable to Nashville's population.
I have spent a lot of time looking at the three Census ways of counting "urban" populations for my job.

1) City Populations--in the USA city boundaries may only capture a tiny portion of the true city (Boston, Pittsburgh) or they take in rural areas (Las Vegas, Phoenix in the 1980s). City boundaries are the LEAST accurate way to measure population.

2) Metropolitian Statistical Areas--begin with a central city (or cities) with a population of greater than 50,000 and then include any neighboring county IF 15% or more of the populations works in the core metro counties. This definition overestimates by taking in parts of counties that are fundamentally rural in my opinion.

3) Census Urbanized Areas--start with a central city or cities with a population of 50,000 and add in Census Tracks where the population density exceeds a certain threshold. In other words, only count the area that is fairly densely settled around a central city. In my opinion this is by far the best definition of US Metropolitan Areas. I think it contains the LEAST amount of error. The problem is that they only update the Urbanized Areas after each decennial Census so all we have to work with is the 2000 Urbanized Area Numbers.


Top U.S. Urbanizied Areas in 2000
New York 17.8 (million)
Los Angeles 11.8
Chicago 8.3
Philadelphia 5.1
Miami 4.9
San Francisco 4.7
Dallas 4.1
Boston 4.0
Washington 3.9
Detroit 3.9

Houston 3.8
Atlanta 3.5
Phoenix 2.9

Seattle 2.7
San Diego 2.6
Minneapolis 2.4
St. Louis 2.0

Baltimore 2.0
Tampa 2.0
Denver 1.9

Cleveland 1.8
Pittsburgh 1.7
Portland 1.5
Cincinnati 1.5
Virginia Beach 1.4
Sacramento 1.4
Kansas City 1.3
San Antonio 1.3
Las Vegas 1.3
Milwaukee 1.3
Indianapolis 1.2
Providence 1.1
Orlando 1.1[/b]
Columbus 1.1
New Orleans 1.0
Buffalo 1.0
...
Raleigh-Durham .83
Nashville .75


2007 Metro Estimates for Canadian Cities:
5.5 Toronto
3.7 Montreal
2.3 Vancouver
1.2 Ottawa
1.1 Calgary
1.1 Edmonton

0.7 Quebec
0.7 Hamilton
0.7 Winnipeg
.05 Kitchener
.05 London


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07-03-2008, 12:09 PM
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Detroit is a perfect example. The city has aprox 800,000 people but there are aprox. 5,000,000 in the metro area. The city is loaded with a high black population and with their being a lot more money in the suburbs, you could argue that less than 25 percent of the fans come from the city itself.
Try 98%.

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07-03-2008, 12:26 PM
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kanata is not a city, town, village, or even suburb

it is part of ottawa. The cities amalgamated. ages ago.
Yeah I know I live in Ottawa too (Richmond), but you can still get separate census data and are quite a ways from the population center of Ottawa downtown proper.

No one living in Kanata, Stittsville, Orleans etc. is ever going to say they are from Ottawa to anyone who lives in the city, its just too damn big the city proper with Kanata and all the rest included covers 2,797 km2. New York city which is the largest in the entire US is only 789.43 km2

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07-03-2008, 12:31 PM
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Top U.S. Urbanizied Areas in 2000
New York 17.8 (million)
Los Angeles 11.8
Chicago 8.3
Philadelphia 5.1
Miami 4.9
San Francisco 4.7
Dallas 4.1
Boston 4.0
Washington 3.9
Detroit 3.9

Houston 3.8
Atlanta 3.5
Phoenix 2.9

Seattle 2.7
San Diego 2.6
Minneapolis 2.4
St. Louis 2.0

Baltimore 2.0
Tampa 2.0
Denver 1.9

Cleveland 1.8
Pittsburgh 1.7
Portland 1.5
Cincinnati 1.5
Virginia Beach 1.4
Sacramento 1.4
Kansas City 1.3
San Antonio 1.3
Las Vegas 1.3
Milwaukee 1.3
Indianapolis 1.2
Providence 1.1
Orlando 1.1[/b]
Columbus 1.1
New Orleans 1.0
Buffalo 1.0
...
Raleigh-Durham .83
Nashville .75


2007 Metro Estimates for Canadian Cities:
5.5 Toronto
3.7 Montreal
2.3 Vancouver
1.2 Ottawa
1.1 Calgary
1.1 Edmonton

0.7 Quebec
0.7 Hamilton
0.7 Winnipeg
.05 Kitchener
.05 London
That looks like the most accurate list I've seen.

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07-03-2008, 12:33 PM
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Yeah I know I live in Ottawa too (Richmond), but you can still get separate census data and are quite a ways from the population center of Ottawa downtown proper.

No one living in Kanata, Stittsville, Orleans etc. is ever going to say they are from Ottawa to anyone who lives in the city, its just too damn big the city proper with Kanata and all the rest included covers 2,797 km2. New York city which is the largest in the entire US is only 789.43 km2
Ottawa's kind of crazy. Just drove into it from the West, and you see the sign 'welcome to Ottawa', and you've got a hefty drive through forest before you see even a smattering of civilization...

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Anaheim - 345,556 according to wikipedia...is that right?!

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I think the Islanders are the only team in pro sports to play in one giant suburb, there really is no mass transit to get to New York City and the area, I think this is a big reason why Isles attendance is so dreadful and with Gas Prices just going up I cant imagine this problem getting any better
yeah they should relocate to winnipeg
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3) Census Urbanized Areas--start with a central city or cities with a population of 50,000 and add in Census Tracks where the population density exceeds a certain threshold. In other words, only count the area that is fairly densely settled around a central city. In my opinion this is by far the best definition of US Metropolitan Areas. I think it contains the LEAST amount of error. The problem is that they only update the Urbanized Areas after each decennial Census so all we have to work with is the 2000 Urbanized Area Numbers.
Does anyone know if there are any stats anywhere more recent than 2000 for urban area population figures?

It's like it's a forgotten stat, now the focus is on city or metropolitan area figures, but I agree that urban area stats would seem to be more appropriate for considerations like the size of fan-bases.

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