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Loaning Players - How does it work?

I know last year, after he was in the minors, darius kaspiritis was loaned to an RSL team.

HOW THE HELL DOES THIS WORK?

what are the conditions needed? what are the rules? does the loaning team still have to pay salary, or does the recieving team pay the salary? i am very curious about the answers.


could this situation then apply to the chicago blackhawks? could they loan nik khabibulin to a KHL team? he would be a perfect marquee player for the khl and would solve all of chicago's problems.

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I know last year, after he was in the minors, darius kaspiritis was loaned to an RSL team.

HOW THE HELL DOES THIS WORK?

what are the conditions needed? what are the rules? does the loaning team still have to pay salary, or does the recieving team pay the salary? i am very curious about the answers.


could this situation then apply to the chicago blackhawks? could they loan nik khabibulin to a KHL team? he would be a perfect marquee player for the khl and would solve all of chicago's problems.
A player can be loaned to a Russian team (or one of any other league) - just like they can be loaned to the AHL.

- They need to clear waivers first.
- They are still paid their NHL Paragraph 1 Salary by their NHL team (unless they have a two-way SPC that specifies a salary for that league).
- They are not subject to Re-Entry Waivers.
- They cannot be recalled under Emergency Recall.
- They do not have to clear waivers to be recalled (even if they play a game overseas after the start of the regular season).

It is unclear whether a player could be loaned to an overseas league without their consent. The only explicit limitation on loans in the CBA is that non-ELS players cannot be loaned to the ECHL without their consent. My guess is that if a team tried to loan a player overseas without their consent, there would be an NHLPA grievence - and my gut feel is that it would be upheld.

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i just reviewed the kaspiritis example, because i wanted to make sure i had everything right.

turns out darius sign a contract in the rsl first, then the rangers loaned him there (presumably to get out of their contractual agreement?).

i guess if khaby signed a khl contract, the same could happen (after waivers, of course), but i dont see him doing that unless its for alot of money.

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One thing that caught my eye in the CBA:

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(i) A Club may Loan Players on its Reserve List to clubs of any league
affiliated with the NHL
. The names of the Players Loaned shall remain on the Reserve
List of the Club. A Loan Agreement shall be executed in the form approved by the
Governors and shall contain all the particulars thereof and shall be signed on behalf of
both clubs. Such Loan Agreement shall be filed promptly in the office of the
Commissioner.
So I guess the question is exactly what leagues are considered affiliated with the NHL?

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that is why i think there must be a different set of rules for teams that aren't ahl or echl.

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Is there anything in the CBA that prevents a team from loaning a player to another NHL team? May seem like a stupid question, and I'm certain there is... but if not, it could be used to circumvent the cap, maybe?

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I know last year, after he was in the minors, darius kaspiritis was loaned to an RSL team.

HOW THE HELL DOES THIS WORK?

what are the conditions needed? what are the rules? does the loaning team still have to pay salary, or does the recieving team pay the salary? i am very curious about the answers.


could this situation then apply to the chicago blackhawks? could they loan nik khabibulin to a KHL team? he would be a perfect marquee player for the khl and would solve all of chicago's problems.
Soccer teams do it all the time. Hockey teams outside North America do it as well.

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Soccer teams do it all the time. Hockey teams outside North America do it as well.
i know. I'm trying to figure out how it works in the nhl, and what rules govern the nhl teams.

so far as i can tell from the kaspiritis situation, he was loaned to let the rsl team take him within iihf rules.

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Is there anything in the CBA that prevents a team from loaning a player to another NHL team? May seem like a stupid question, and I'm certain there is... but if not, it could be used to circumvent the cap, maybe?
Well, just looking at it with out an eye for specifics: a club would need to waive a player in order to loan him away, in which case the "new club" would just claim him off waivers. Teams can't just loan players to a team without the "new club's" permission, of course. So, that doesn't seem as likely at face value, but one of the CBA experts would know better than me.

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A player can be loaned to a Russian team (or one of any other league) - just like they can be loaned to the AHL.

- They need to clear waivers first.
- They are still paid their NHL Paragraph 1 Salary by their NHL team (unless they have a two-way SPC that specifies a salary for that league).
- They are not subject to Re-Entry Waivers.
- They cannot be recalled under Emergency Recall.
- They do not have to clear waivers to be recalled (even if they play a game overseas after the start of the regular season).

It is unclear whether a player could be loaned to an overseas league without their consent. The only explicit limitation on loans in the CBA is that non-ELS players cannot be loaned to the ECHL without their consent. My guess is that if a team tried to loan a player overseas without their consent, there would be an NHLPA grievence - and my gut feel is that it would be upheld.
I am wondering with the loan to a european club, I know you don't feel the cap hit (Huet for instance) but what about with a player like Rolston who is a 35+ signed player? could you loan him and not feel the hit??

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I am wondering with the loan to a european club, I know you don't feel the cap hit (Huet for instance) but what about with a player like Rolston who is a 35+ signed player? could you loan him and not feel the hit??
No. A 35+ player counts against your cap whether loaned out, playing in the minors, retired, injured, abducted by aliens etc. In the case of an injury though, the team can LTIR him like the Flyers did with Mike Rathje.

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