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07-03-2008, 09:47 PM
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Bourque vs Boyd

I know most folks are tending to put Boyd on a higher line than Bourque. I don't agree with that assessment. For a number of reasons.

First of all, Bourque scored 33 goals in the AHL as a rookie. He was named Rookie of the Year his first year. That was the year of the NHL lockout when the AHL was stacked with potential NHLers. He is big, strong and fast. He is older and more mature than Boyd. He has a slap shot that was measured at 99.8 mph. He is also exactly what Sutter talked about when Sutter spoke of rebuilding the wings.

I hoped Boyd to make it and post some great numbers, but he has not proven himself yet. Of the two, Bourque appears more ready for second line time to me.

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07-03-2008, 09:50 PM
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Neither are 2nd line material...it just shows the Flames lack of secondary scoring

I agree that Bourque may be more productive than Boyd

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07-03-2008, 09:59 PM
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They can both be on the same line together as Boyd can play both wings, be that the second or third line.

Anyway why are people even guessing lines? Keenan doesn't run set lines! The lines for the most part will be changing all the time.

Now a depth chart that would make sense.

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07-03-2008, 10:19 PM
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True, depth chart makes more sense.

However, comparing Detroit's second line to numbers put up by Lombardi, Bourque, the Flames are able to compare favorably.

Cleary, Hudler, Franzen scored at best, 42 points. Within reach for Lombardi and likely Bourque.

Who was on Dallas' second line? We could compare that too.

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07-03-2008, 10:29 PM
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I'm not sure who was on Dallas's second line or even if they used a set second line.

Maybe a depth chart of just positions not points, example:

Left Wing
Cammy
Bourque
Glencross
Nystrom

Centre
Lombardi
Langkow
Conroy

For players like Boyd who can play both right and left wing we can move them around.

Does that make any sense?

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07-03-2008, 11:28 PM
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I'm not sure who was on Dallas's second line or even if they used a set second line.

Maybe a depth chart of just positions not points, example:

Left Wing
Cammy
Bourque
Glencross
Nystrom

Centre
Lombardi
Langkow
Conroy

For players like Boyd who can play both right and left wing we can move them around.

Does that make any sense?
Well sure, but why exactly is Lombo ahead of Langkow

Maybe something like this...

LW
Cammalleri (C)
Bourque (RW)
Boyd (RW)
Nystrom (RW)
Van der Gulik

C
Langkow
Lombardi (LW?)
Conroy
Primeau (LW, RW)
Stevenson (assuming he's back?)

RW
Iginla
Moss (LW)
Glencross (LW)
Prust (LW)
Greentree

Defense
Phaneuf
Regehr
Sarich
Aucoin
Giordano
Vandermeer (W)
Pardy
Pelech

G
Kiprusoff
McElhinney
Irving

Just a top 5 at forward, top 8 defense and 3 goalies, and only of guys that are playing pro for sure next year. With alternate positions in brackets.

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07-03-2008, 11:48 PM
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Well sure, but why exactly is Lombo ahead of Langkow
Why, because he is better looking silly.

I like that depth chart kruezer.

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07-03-2008, 11:51 PM
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Who was on Dallas' second line? We could compare that too.
Brad Richards.....no comparision

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07-04-2008, 12:45 AM
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For players like Boyd who can play both right and left wing we can move them around.
He's a natural center too. Which makes him favorable as he can pretty much play any forward position and can be effective on any line I think. Sutter and Keenan both love him and want him to develop into a top 6 guy. I think he'll be given the chance to be in the top 6 and if he struggles they can move him down onto the 3rd and 4th line where he can chip in a bit offensively.

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flames need to get a winger before there all gone

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07-04-2008, 01:02 AM
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Do you really see Sutter overpaying for a UFA? If we do see a new winger it will most likely be done via trade.

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Brad Richards.....no comparision
They acquired him at the trading-deadline, so your comparision is rather pointless.

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07-04-2008, 03:41 AM
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Why, because he is better looking silly.

I like that depth chart kruezer.
Agreed, very nice.

Every forward we have besides Iginla, Langkow and Conroy are all capable of playing more than one position. Lines will be juggled like crazy, especially seeing as the Flames have a lot of border line 2nd/3rd liners like Lombardi, Boyd, Bourque, Moss etc. What's good about those guys is they should be able to produce offensively and if nessicary they're capable of taking on a checking role on the third line. IMO it's good having such versitile players that can play more than one position and more than one role if need be.

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07-04-2008, 04:50 AM
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They acquired him at the trading-deadline, so your comparision is rather pointless.
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pointless? last time I checked Richards is still in Dallas and he was comparing Flames 2nd line with other teams' current 2nd line.


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pointless? last time I checked Richards is still in Dallas and he was comparing Flames 2nd line with other teams' current 2nd line.
He was comparing the Flames current 2nd line with other team's second line at the beginning of last season. Thus I stick to my statement, that your comparision is rather pointless.

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It could go either way between Boyd and Bourque but Boyd's skill and smarts are what I think will lead him to a top 6 role this year or in the future. Bourque has all the tools but with all his injuries people have been saying he's been more timid physical and in terms of using his shot. I really hope one of two emerges to score 20 goals but with Boyd's talent I would say he's the more likely candidate.

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Not what you want to see happen, but do you think Sutter will stand pat with this lineup and give the last forward spot to Prust or see if Backlund is ready? As much as I'd love to see us add a 2nd line winger, I can see this happening.

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07-04-2008, 11:16 AM
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Not what you want to see happen, but do you think Sutter will stand pat with this lineup and give the last forward spot to Prust or see if Backlund is ready? As much as I'd love to see us add a 2nd line winger, I can see this happening.
I hope that's what happens unless he can get a true impact winger in here.

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I hope that's what happens unless he can get a true impact winger in here.
I concur

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