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08-27-2008, 08:43 PM
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08-27-2008, 08:45 PM
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I wonder who the centerman is.
Hoping: O'Sullivan or Gomez

Probably: Nylander

dman canucks will trade: Bieksa

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I wonder who the centerman is.
Hoping: O'Sullivan or Gomez

Probably: Nylander

dman canucks will trade: Bieksa
Nylander would suck...and dealing Bieksa would suck too.

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08-27-2008, 08:49 PM
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Nylander would suck...and dealing Bieksa would suck too.
Dealing him would suck, but there isnt much trade value aside from him on our D.

and I hate Nylander. But i'm trying not to reach here. It's never a guy that everyone wants.

I dont think it's going to take much to get Schneider either. They are pretty deep on D already and Neidermayer is coming back for another year. It's a given that it's a salary dump.

Hopefully we trade some late pick that Nonis had a hard on for.

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Dealing him would suck, but there isnt much trade value aside from him on our D.

and I hate Nylander. But i'm trying not to reach here. It's never a guy that everyone wants.
As opposed to a guy that no one wants? Seriously...I dont think ANYONE wants Nylander.

I wonder if Alex Edler could be the guy dealt? Apparently every team in the league wants him...he's a pending RFA and due for a raise so he'd get Bieksa type numbers next season...with his trade value likely being higher than Bieksa's, I wonder what we could get for him.

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08-27-2008, 08:52 PM
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As opposed to a guy that no one wants? Seriously...I dont think ANYONE wants Nylander.

I wonder if Alex Edler could be the guy dealt? Apparently every team in the league wants him...he's a pending RFA and due for a raise so he'd get Bieksa type numbers next season...with his trade value likely being higher than Bieksa's, I wonder what we could get for him.
Apparently every trade discussion involves the other team asking about either Edler or Kesler. I'm sure the return for Edler would be huge.

Although noone wants Nylander, i bet Gillis still likes him.

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Apparently every trade discussion involves the other team asking about either Edler or Kesler. I'm sure the return for Edler would be huge.

Although noone wants Nylander, i bet Gillis still likes him.
I wonder if an Alex Edler for Phil Kessel trade could be on the horizon?

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M.Schneider for Shaun Heskha and a 4th round draft pick

Shirokov, conditional 3rd round draft pick for Kozlov

This gives the Canucks a stop-gap and the freedom to go shopping for a big-ticket free agent next season.

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M.Schneider for Shaun Heskha and a 4th round draft pick

Shirokov, conditional 3rd round draft pick for Kozlov

This gives the Canucks a stop-gap and the freedom to go shopping for a big-ticket free agent next season.
Kozlov sucks too...

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Dealing him would suck, but there isnt much trade value aside from him on our D.

and I hate Nylander. But i'm trying not to reach here. It's never a guy that everyone wants.

I dont think it's going to take much to get Schneider either. They are pretty deep on D already and Neidermayer is coming back for another year. It's a given that it's a salary dump.

Hopefully we trade some late pick that Nonis had a hard on for.
If dealing Bieksa would suck, then it could be the best trade is no trade at all. The Canucks now have plenty of potential top six forwards. It's just that Bernier, Wellwood, Krog, Hansen, Grabner & Hodgson still have to prove themselves. Odds are that at least one or two will step up and prove they are ready now. Kind of foolish to trade a player like Bieksa or Edler before any of those players are given a chance. Even after the season starts, the option of a trade still exists.

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08-27-2008, 08:59 PM
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I wonder if an Alex Edler for Phil Kessel trade could be on the horizon?
It would definately be something i'd be interested in. Although alot of people on here would call Bloody murder

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M.Schneider for Shaun Heskha and a 4th round draft pick

Shirokov, conditional 3rd round draft pick for Kozlov

This gives the Canucks a stop-gap and the freedom to go shopping for a big-ticket free agent next season.
If Schneider is a target then you'd have to think that Krajicek would be the player going to Anaheim.

With Schneider on our team there isn't a spot left for Krajicek and Anaheim would need a player to replace Schneider on the blue line for them.

Maybe there is more added to this deal so that Anaheim can get more cap space to sign Selanne.

Kunitz might be a player that Anaheim would consider trading but it all depends on the return.

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I wonder if an Alex Edler for Phil Kessel trade could be on the horizon?
I'd hope that if Edler is dealt the Canucks would be getting a legit center back in return. According to most Bruins' fans, Kessel is best suited on the wing.

I wonder if Travis Zajac from the Devils could be had? I wouldn't move Edler for him, but I think he's poised for a breakout season and the Devils could use some defensive help badly. I'd offer Bieksa for him personally.

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It would definately be something i'd be interested in. Although alot of people on here would call Bloody murder
There's a ton of people on the Boston board that would want more then just Edler and at that point it may not be worth it for the Canucks.

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Kozlov sucks too...
He would be an adequate replacement and would not leave the Canucks handcuffed by a long-term contract or the a loss of key players. I fully expect Grabner, Hansen, Hodgson to make the team next season which suffices three roster spots at a minimal cost, thus leaving the Canucks enough room to re-sign the Sedins and acquire a premier forward(Zetterberg, Gaborik, Hossa) in next years crop of free agents.

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I'd hope that if Edler is dealt the Canucks would be getting a legit center back in return. According to most Bruins' fans, Kessel is best suited on the wing.

I wonder if Travis Zajac from the Devils could be had? I wouldn't move Edler for him, but I think he's poised for a breakout season and the Devils could use some defensive help badly. I'd offer Bieksa for him personally.
I would be interested in something like that as well but the Devils would need to clear a little more cap space for that to happen.

They've got about 3.1 million dollars in cap space as of right now.

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There's a ton of people on the Boston board that would want more then just Edler and at that point it may not be worth it for the Canucks.
Does it matter what fans want on these boards? There is absolutely no way to measure what players values are because of the many variables that must be taken into consideration. Steve Bernier for a couple of draft picks is not what many people expected and thats just one example from a long set of examples.

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If dealing Bieksa would suck, then it could be the best trade is no trade at all. The Canucks now have plenty of potential top six forwards. It's just that Bernier, Wellwood, Krog, Hansen, Grabner & Hodgson still have to prove themselves. Odds are that at least one or two will step up and prove they are ready now. Kind of foolish to trade a player like Bieksa or Edler before any of those players are given a chance. Even after the season starts, the option of a trade still exists.
That's exactly how Dave Nonis lost his job

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Apparently every trade discussion involves the other team asking about either Edler or Kesler. I'm sure the return for Edler would be huge.

Although noone wants Nylander, i bet Gillis still likes him.
Why would Gillis like Nylander when he's said all along he's against the idea of older players leaving their prime with large contracts?

Nylander shouldn't be an option at all.

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I would be interested in something like that as well but the Devils would need to clear a little more cap space for that to happen.

They've got about 3.1 million dollars in cap space as of right now.
Yea, good point. Not sure what else they could move to free up some more cap space. The only other realistic possibility for them to move would be Brian Gionta at his $4M cap hit, but I can't see them moving both Gionta and Zajac.

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He would be an adequate replacement and would not leave the Canucks handcuffed by a long-term contract or the a loss of key players. I fully expect Grabner, Hansen, Hodgson to make the team next season which suffices three roster spots at a minimal cost, thus leaving the Canucks enough room to re-sign the Sedins and acquire a premier forward(Zetterberg, Gaborik, Hossa) in next years crop of free agents.
Zetterberg will be re-signed and Gaborik will either re-sign with the Wild or be traded and sign with the team that acquires him.

I dont think it's realistic that we should wait and see what the FA crop is going to be next year.

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Why would Gillis like Nylander when he's said all along he's against the idea of older players leaving their prime with large contracts?

Nylander shouldn't be an option at all.
He also had offered Ryder 4 mil. So i wouldnt rely TOO much on his words.

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Why would Gillis like Nylander when he's said all along he's against the idea of older players leaving their prime with large contracts?

Nylander shouldn't be an option at all.
Agreed. Plus Nylander has a NMC and if Washington does put Pothier on the LTIR they won't have to move anyone anyways.

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He also had offered Ryder 4 mil. So i wouldnt rely TOO much on his words.
Ryder is only 28. Nylander is going on 36.

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