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07-04-2008, 11:12 PM
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Like I stated in another thread, I think any team that had a goalie who played better than expected might see some problems. I think Columbus, Edmonton, and Philadelphia all had their #1 guys going into this season play just about as well as they can. If they sustain it, great; but if not there could be some problems. Maybe not a total tank job but enough to stop them from reaching what a lot of us predict them to. Playoffs in the Flyers case, playoffs or darn close for the Oilers and BJs.

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07-04-2008, 11:18 PM
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I am going to go with Montreal.
+1 They played last season with no important injurie and they finish what 10 points in front of Boston (8 place....)

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lol, tank? no. But anything less than perfection will be considered "tanking" on these boards (especially with Hossa).

Would Montreal qualify? They seem ripe for a recession.

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07-04-2008, 11:39 PM
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If Tim Thomas gets hurt and Bergeron gets another concussion, I think the Bruins are in for a shocker!

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07-05-2008, 12:54 AM
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yeah, you guys think you have the fastest team on earth... I am going with Montreal too. Last year, on paper, they were weak...you can say what you want but everyone tought they would not make the playoffs. The only reason why they succeeded is chemistry....now, with all this pression to acquire a "Star", the chemistry may not be there next year (tanguay, maybe Sundin or another center). The PP may suffer a lot because Streit will not be there anymore, he's the one that replaced Souray, but you won't find a PP specialist every year. I'm not saying that Montreal will tank, but among the teams that succeeded last year,this is the team I think that has the more chances to tank.You won't admit that, I know...Habs fans.........
Who the hell are you?

Fastest team on earth? Maybe not, but we're sure not slow... Try to find a team with that many speedy players : Plekanec, Higgins, Tanguay, Lapierre, Bouillon, Begin, Dandenault, A. Kostitsyn, S. Kostitsyn... Even Koivu and Kovalev are not THAT fast, but they're definately above average...

Skill-wise, we've got to be one of the deepest team in the league. I'm not known as an Higgins lover, but try to find me some teams who would have Higgins, S. Kostitsyn, and maybe Koivu (if Sundin signs) on their 3rd line? I can't see a lot.

This, combined with an improved ES play (with the addition of Tanguay), while keeping our masterpieces on the PP (Kovalev and Markov) and adding some much needed toughness (BGL)...

Please try to elaborate on what you said... Sure, a couple of players had great seasons, but :

- S. Kostitsyn will be in Montreal for 82 games, and will likely get more than 40 pts this year.

- Koivu is bound to have a better year.

- IMO, Tanguay is a lock at 65 points.

- A. Kostitsyn had less than 15 pts before Christmas. Then he exploded. This year he's going to be good from the start.

- Price will have one more experience year under the belt.

- The possible acquisition of Sundin

- No team in the East did improve with the exception of Tampa Bay and New Jersey... In fact Ottawa, Buffalo, Toronto, NYI, Washington, Atlanta, Florida all got significantly worst.

And then you say we are bound to tank this upcoming season? Give me a break! We're not a lock at the Stanley Cup, nor at the first place, but we're a very good team on the rise and there's no reason to see ALL of our player decrease that fast. We've got 7 50pts scorer, and it was not a fluke.

Anyway guys, now that the Habs have got the best enforcer in the league, the "softness" excuse will not be read often around here... I've got a feeling this year is gonna be the year we'll read the "fluke" excuse...

Get a clue... several fans seem to hate the Habs more than they love their team. Get a psy...

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07-05-2008, 12:57 AM
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I think it will be Washington

I think that Theodore will fall apart and Backstrom will suffer a sophmore slump. I see them finishing 11th with about 82pts
Took the words right out of my mouth.

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07-05-2008, 12:59 AM
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As for my prediction, well we'll see. But I'd be tempted to say Ottawa right now. They've got to get some D or a decent goalie.

Washington is a good guess.

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Some of my guesses:

Washington = I don't think Ovechkin will have as good of a year next year. Theodore will go back to sucking hard since it isn't a contract-year. Backstrom will cool down a little. Plus, they needed a scorching hot-streak to make the playoffs last season. I doubt such a hot-streak occurs two seasons in a row.

Tampa Bay = Most people have pencilled them in as legit Eastern contenders after the moves they have made. But in my opinion, they simply have subtracted even more from their already weak defense. Boyle was a stud defenseman, and Lukowich was serviceable. Toss in the fact that I think neither Prospal or Malone are sure bets to produce offense like they did last year.

Chicago = Kane and Toews will get better. But not as exponentially better as most people think. And I can't see Campbell making that much of a difference. He will make them better, for sure, but it isn't as though the Blackhawks just added an elite defenseman whose mere presence guarantees a playoff spot.


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lol, tank? no. But anything less than perfection will be considered "tanking" on these boards (especially with Hossa).

Would Montreal qualify? They seem ripe for a recession.
That pretty much true. The team is stronger now than they were last season, even if just marginally. If they don't at least equal last years performance it will be seen as an under achievement. Following up winning the cup will be difficult.

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If Tim Thomas gets hurt and Bergeron gets another concussion, I think the Bruins are in for a shocker!
If they both got hurt, it wouldn't be a shocker...

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07-05-2008, 02:41 AM
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Colorado, Calgary, San Jose

Potential Surprises:
Columbus, Phoenix, Florida

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07-05-2008, 04:02 AM
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Colorado: suspect no1 goalie, by far the worst backup in the NHL, Forsberg not commin back, Sakic getin old (I like him a lot but he is getin old)

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Who the hell are you?

Fastest team on earth? Maybe not, but we're sure not slow... Try to find a team with that many speedy players : Plekanec, Higgins, Tanguay, Lapierre, Bouillon, Begin, Dandenault, A. Kostitsyn, S. Kostitsyn... Even Koivu and Kovalev are not THAT fast, but they're definately above average...

Skill-wise, we've got to be one of the deepest team in the league. I'm not known as an Higgins lover, but try to find me some teams who would have Higgins, S. Kostitsyn, and maybe Koivu (if Sundin signs) on their 3rd line? I can't see a lot.

This, combined with an improved ES play (with the addition of Tanguay), while keeping our masterpieces on the PP (Kovalev and Markov) and adding some much needed toughness (BGL)...

Please try to elaborate on what you said... Sure, a couple of players had great seasons, but :

- S. Kostitsyn will be in Montreal for 82 games, and will likely get more than 40 pts this year.

- Koivu is bound to have a better year.

- IMO, Tanguay is a lock at 65 points.

- A. Kostitsyn had less than 15 pts before Christmas. Then he exploded. This year he's going to be good from the start.

- Price will have one more experience year under the belt.

- The possible acquisition of Sundin

- No team in the East did improve with the exception of Tampa Bay and New Jersey... In fact Ottawa, Buffalo, Toronto, NYI, Washington, Atlanta, Florida all got significantly worst.

And then you say we are bound to tank this upcoming season? Give me a break! We're not a lock at the Stanley Cup, nor at the first place, but we're a very good team on the rise and there's no reason to see ALL of our player decrease that fast. We've got 7 50pts scorer, and it was not a fluke.

Anyway guys, now that the Habs have got the best enforcer in the league, the "softness" excuse will not be read often around here... I've got a feeling this year is gonna be the year we'll read the "fluke" excuse...

Get a clue... several fans seem to hate the Habs more than they love their team. Get a psy...
Well you don't get my point here...I'm not saying that Montreal will tank because I think that they will have a great season lke philly pitt rangers etc. What I'm saying is that some of the habs fans (Yeah not all) think that there team is so fast and so talented that they're a lock at the Stanley Cup. They are certainly one of the greatest team in the east. As for this topic, the question is : wich unlikely team will tank...? I can't go with Atlanta or toronto because that wouldn't be unlikely. Among the 4 great team in the east ( I think those are the 4: Mtl, rangers, philly, Pens....maybe NJ), I think that Mtl has the more chances to tank just because I don't see pitts or ny tanking. The success of Montreal was due to an incredible chemistry and a season without injuries. The chemistry should still be there next year, but that's not a certainty. Hope you get my point now...and I know what I'm talking about, I'm from quebec and I watch EVERY habs game.

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Well you don't get my point here...I'm not saying that Montreal will tank because I think that they will have a great season lke philly pitt rangers etc. What I'm saying is that some of the habs fans (Yeah not all) think that there team is so fast and so talented that they're a lock at the Stanley Cup. They are certainly one of the greatest team in the east. As for this topic, the question is : wich unlikely team will tank...? I can't go with Atlanta or toronto because that wouldn't be unlikely. Among the 4 great team in the east ( I think those are the 4: Mtl, rangers, philly, Pens....maybe NJ), I think that Mtl has the more chances to tank just because I don't see pitts or ny tanking. The success of Montreal was due to an incredible chemistry and a season without injuries. The chemistry should still be there next year, but that's not a certainty. Hope you get my point now...and I know what I'm talking about, I'm from quebec and I watch EVERY habs game.
Who thinks anyone is a lock for a Stanley Cup? Those people are idiots no matter what team they cheer for.

As for the chemistry and lack of injuries, I don't know why you would list New York when they've added many more new players than the Habs did. You don't think a lack of chemistry will be a bigger issue with a team introducing a ton of new players? Not to mention the Rangers had trouble scoring last year and it hasn't really been solved. How does Montreal have a better chance of tanking than they do? As for Pittsburgh, how can they not have a chance to tank when half of their roster just went out the door? Obviously they'll be replaced but chemistry issues are probably a bigger worry in Pitts than here. This just smells of someone trying to bring the Habs down a peg when in reality they're just as good as anyone else...as if chemistry and injuries are only things for the Habs to worry about!

Anybody who thinks they can call a team a lock to not tank is as bad as anyone who thinks a team is a lock for the Cup. All you can do is look at a team and say if they're good or not. Beyond that, the NHL is unpredictable.

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07-05-2008, 10:42 AM
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By Tank do you mean they will completely drop out of the playoff picture or just not make the playoffs(although they could be in conentention for it?). I would guess Colorado might finish about 10th last next season(grant you that is an easy pick)

My wildcard(basically a team that is expected to make it) to not make the playoffs is Montreal. They just seem to have a habit of making it one year, then missing it the next. I am just going on that theory(although with a couple key guys set to be UFA next season, that should give the habs more reason to have a great season)

Basically when you have 11-12 teams fighting for 8 spots in both conferences there is bound to be a couple that are suprising teams that don't make it

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Calgary.


Now this is going to sound like a typical Oiler fan who is biased, but hear me out here.

Iginla, Phaneuf, Langkow, and Regehr are great players. They have the good core but, the 2ndary scoring just isn't there imo.
Cammaleri is good but, can Lombardi elevate his game? Can one of the kids like Chucko step up??

If Iginla isn't on, this team is going to struggle.

The biggest factor...Keenan.
Wish in one hand..crap in the other my friend

Calgary has upgraded everything on their roster except a replacement for Juice, their bottom 6 is younger/faster and harder to play against, that pylon Erikkson and his game losing turnovers is gone. this is July 5th and i suspect Sutter will find a decent enough top 6 before training camp.

Personally i like this Flames team way more than last year, we were also right in the hunt for the NW title despite a brutal season from Kipper, I just can't see him not being better.

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Calgary has upgraded everything on their roster except a replacement for Juice, their bottom 6 is younger/faster and harder to play against, that pylon Erikkson and his game losing turnovers is gone. this is July 5th and i suspect Sutter will find a decent enough top 6 before training camp.

Personally i like this Flames team way more than last year, we were also right in the hunt for the NW title despite a brutal season from Kipper, I just can't see him not being better.
I personally see Calgary making the playoffs, but i never been a fan of Mike Cammalleri and while i understand the Flames needs a top line center i don't see him as one and just on value alone Tanguay is better then Cammalleri(although from a Calgary perspective i can see why they made the deal(s))

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This still looks like a playoff lineup.
Wouldn't that make them a perfect team for this thread, then?

I think Ottawa looks like a great team. I'm just not sold on their goaltending for the upcoming season. Auld is good in stretches, and so is Gerber, but if Gerber fails, I just don't see a goaltender like Auld carrying the team. He's a career backup.
Also, their thin defense means that defencemen like Mezsaros have to have huge bounce back seasons for this team, or it's over. Injuries to a defensive core like Ottawas, could also spell doom for this team. They're just not as typically deep at this position as they're used to being.

I wouldn't be shocked if Ottawa tanked next year, but would be slightly surprised.

Another team on my list, would be New York(Rangers). I think that with the recent additions to this team, they look like a solid contender, but I wouldn't be shocked to see them collapse out of the gates, as well.

Philadelphia would be the last team on my list. I think they'll have a good season, but if you compare it to the last, i'd consider and will consider their next season as being a collapse as well.

Any other teams, to me, would be considered mediocre at best as of now, and collapses would be deemed as expected.

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People, check the stats.

Tanguay has always been a great ES performer. Montreal, frankly put, is average at ES and dominated on the PP.

Gainey is a genius. Tanguay will be lights out at ES, as usual.

Montreal should win the division again.

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Detroit, Anaheim, and Dallas.

And maybe I'll win the lottery and marry Scarlett Johansson too.

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Some of my guesses:

Washington = I don't think Ovechkin will have as good of a year next year. Theodore will go back to sucking hard since it isn't a contract-year. Backstrom will cool down a little. Plus, they needed a scorching hot-streak to make the playoffs last season. I doubt such a hot-streak occurs two seasons in a row.

Tampa Bay = Most people have pencilled them in as legit Eastern contenders after the moves they have made. But in my opinion, they simply have subtracted even more from their already weak defense. Boyle was a stud defenseman, and Lukowich was serviceable. Toss in the fact that I think neither Prospal or Malone are sure bets to produce offense like they did last year.

Chicago = Kane and Toews will get better. But not as exponentially better as most people think. And I can't see Campbell making that much of a difference. He will make them better, for sure, but it isn't as though the Blackhawks just added an elite defenseman whose mere presence guarantees a playoff spot.
You havent watched either of those players have you? Boyle was -29 for a reason last year, he is brilliant on attack making breakout passes, carrying the puck etc. But defensively he isnt a stud he is above average sure but not amazing by any means. And Lukowich was arguably the worst TBL defender last year (and that says something for a last place team) he played well in NJ but when he signed back he was shocking.

Another thing Malone and Prospal dont need to hit the point totals they did last year, it is a stacked team with Vinny and St.Louis locks to be well above ppg pace add in Prospal, Malone, Vrbata, Stamkos, Jokinen, Ouellet and Halpern in an offensive system and you have a lot of firepower.

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