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07-04-2008, 11:29 PM
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I can't believe someone called Pitkanen a top pairing dman.
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I can't believe someone called Pitkanen a top pairing dman.
In Carolina he is, and at 24 he can still become a legit top-pairing guy. No one can question his potential.

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07-04-2008, 11:57 PM
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wondering when st louis will be done scratching their a$$es...seriously beyond sign stasny jr what else have they done? Gas up their trucks?

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In Carolina he is, and at 24 he can still become a legit top-pairing guy. No one can question his potential.


and thats his problem..u cant question his potential but u cant question the fact that hes not that great of a player either

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ducks have literally done nothing other than a re-sign

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wondering when st louis will be done scratching their a$$es...seriously beyond sign stasny jr what else have they done? Gas up their trucks?
Is there some kind of rule now that every team must make a ridiculous overpayment to a UFA each offseason?

A tip for you: Not every team that has signed a UFA this year will be more successful for it down the road. Personally, I'd be more inclined to argue the very opposite.

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and thats his problem..u cant question his potential but u cant question the fact that hes not that great of a player either
I understand Philly fans are sore at Pitkanen for a reason, but when you've got a young defenseman who has put up 40 points twice out of 4 seasons (with one of those 40+ seasons being in 58 games, and the other 40+ season being on the worst team in the NHL), it's hard to say he's not that great of a player.

We're well aware of the risks that come along with Pitkanen, just like we were well aware of the risks that came along with Samsonov and Corvo.

The fact of the matter is, even by grabbing Pitkanen and making minor adjustments to their defense, Carolina's done more than other teams that aren't on that list, and thus can't be claimed to have "done nothing".

Seriously, you don't include Atlanta? They've signed 1 defenseman. And that's it. No minor league signings, no small trades, nothing.

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07-05-2008, 12:38 AM
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Pitkanen has averaged 24:07, 24:33 and 23:43 of ice time per game the last three seasons while scoring 115 points in 198 games (.58PPG), and he's not a top-pairing defenseman? Okay. Funny, because when Hurricanes fans were proposing Cole for Pitkanen, we were told that there's no way an impending UFA would net a young top-pairing defenseman.

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07-05-2008, 12:43 AM
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And I'll throw out some names,
Vancouver Canucks, St.Louis Blues, Minnesota Wild, Carolina Hurricanes, etc.

the Canucks so far have what? 2 top6 forwards, and thats it? I don't know how some of these teams will compete next season.
What percentage of UFA signings bust? Well over half - and probably closer to 75% IMO. A lot of times, teams are better off keeping their own guys. UFA signings look impressive, but more often than not a teams just getting in deeper trouble than they started at.

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07-05-2008, 12:48 AM
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Carolina got a heckuva deal for Pitkanen. Under normal circumstances, theres no way Edmonton would have dealt such a solid, young, talented defenseman away for an impending UFA.

Thing was, the Oilers had made their minds up at the end of the season that Pitkanen was going to be gone. Lowe said today "there was no deal on the table" for Pitkanen, he was being used purely for trade bait.
Don't get the wrong idea here. Pitkanen was Edmonton's best defenseman prior to the addition of Visnovsky. And although we want to move forward with a young defensive puck-moving core in Gilbert and Grebeshkov, Pitkanen's ability was much better than theres.

The most frustrating problem with Pitkanen is his heart. He never plays the game with the passion to compete or win. He looks like could skate for hours, and never gets tired, but it seems like he just doesn't care for his teammates or the team in general.

If someone could light a fire under Pitkanen, you have a keeper for sure.

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07-05-2008, 01:08 AM
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And I'll throw out some names,
Vancouver Canucks, St.Louis Blues, Minnesota Wild, Carolina Hurricanes, etc.

the Canucks so far have what? 2 top6 forwards, and thats it? I don't know how some of these teams will compete next season.
The Canucks were challenging for the division title with a couple of weeks to go last season with only 3 top 6 forwards (Morrison was either injured or playing injured for the vast majority of the season).

Not to mention the 20-30 games missed each by 5 of the top 6 defensemen and Luongo's uncharacteristic poor finish. But yeah, I guess they should just be written off in early July.

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The fact that Atlanta isn't the first one on that list makes me believe this is some sort of joke topic
Hainsey.

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Is there some kind of rule now that every team must make a ridiculous overpayment to a UFA each offseason?

A tip for you: Not every team that has signed a UFA this year will be more successful for it down the road. Personally, I'd be more inclined to argue the very opposite.
who said anything about making a jeff finger type deal? st louis however finished in the bottom quadrant of the league. Are they assuming that THE SAME team will somehow perform better this year? I didn't expect blockbuster type stuff...however secondary scoring/solid goaltending was an issue... I figured they'd at least be heard from in those two arenas and its not like they'd have to go after the marian hossa types... yet beyond keeping one free agent and signing an ahl prospect they pretty much stayed silent. Do you think that somehow their inaction will yield better results than say detroit, vancouver or even columbus' moves?

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Has Nashville done anything?

Edit: They traded Timonen to Minny.
Zidlicky. Not Timonen. Timonen was traded last year and would've fetched a MUCH bigger return if he had the kind of contract Zidlicky has.



We fixed our defensive log-jam and signed our #3 goalie. We're going to sign a veteran AHL D-man for Milwaukee and that's it. Poile is pretty confident in Patric Hörnqvist and Antti Pihlström to step in and be impact players on the 2nd and 3rd lines, respectively.

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07-05-2008, 01:32 AM
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And I'll throw out some names,
Vancouver Canucks, St.Louis Blues, Minnesota Wild, Carolina Hurricanes, etc.

the Canucks so far have what? 2 top6 forwards, and thats it? I don't know how some of these teams will compete next season.

lets look at the Isles top 6

Geurin
Wieght
Comrie
Sillinger
Hunter
Sim

That a group that will take a run at the Cup

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The only winners in this free agency period are the teams that didn't sign anyone. Out of all the signings, maybe 3-4 were ok. The rest were vast overpayment.

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lets look at the Isles top 6

Geurin
Wieght
Comrie
Sillinger
Hunter
Sim

That a group that will take a run at the Cup
Well, if the Nucks end up facing the Isles in the SCF, I guess your point has some relevance....

Not trying to be a dick or anything, just saying, Vancouver really needs to get some forwards if they want a chance at doing anything. Even if they win the division with their current lineup (unlikely, but who knows), they won't do much in the post season unless Luongo can put up a .990 save percentage.

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Anaheim ► Niedermayer Returns. Perry kept. Burke whines about Lowe. ► Pretty much nothing.
Atlanta ► Waives Zhitnik. Overpays Hainsey. ► Nothing. Tavares bound?
Boston ► Overpays Ryder. Wideman yet to be locked up. ► Not much.
Buffalo ► Loses Bernier and Kalinin. Gets Rivet. ► Shuffle.
Carolina ► Loses Cole, Hedican and Wesley. Gets Pitkanen and Melichar. ► Shuffle.
Calgary ► Loses Huselius, Tanguay and Nolan. Gets Cammalleri, Bourque, Giordano and Glenncross ► More to come?
Chicago ► Massive contracts for Campbell and Huet. ► Khabi problem.
Columbus ► Commodore, Tyutin, Huselius, Torres, Umberger and Backman come in. ► Where's the #1 centerman?
Colorado ► Theodore and Brunette gone. Raycroft and Tucker in. ► Needs more work. And a lot more Sakic.
Dallas ► Avery in. Miettinen and Hagman out. ► Zubov's not getting any younger.
Detroit ► Hossa, Hossa, Hossa! And Conklin. ► All gravy so far.
Edmonton ► Cole, Brule and Visnovky in. Torres, Stoll and Pitkanen out. ► Shuffle.
Florida ► Jokinen out. Stillman, Boynton and Ballard in. ► Bouwmeester situation?
LA ► Blake and Visnovsky out. Gauthier, Stoll and Greene in. ► Cap floor nowhere in sight so far.
Minnesota ► Rolston out. Brunette, Zidlicky and Miettinen in. ► More to come.
Montreal ► Tanguay, Denis and Laraque in. Streit and Grabovsky out. ► Most improved on offense so far.
Nashville ► Zidlicky out. Mason out. ► Nothing much at all.
New Jersey ► Rolston and Holik in. Salvador overpaid. ► Blasts from the past.
NYI ► Satan, Fedotenko out. Weight (ancient) and Streit (overpaid) in. ► Shuffle. Tavares contenders.
NYR ► Jagr, Shanny, Straka, Avery, Tyutin, Backman out. Naslund, Zherdev, Vorros, Rissmiller, Fritsche, Redden, Kalinin in. ► Major shakeup. Hurt or help?
Ottawa ► Redden, Stillman, Emery out. Ruutu and Auld in. ► Much more needed.
Philly ► Umberger, Smith, Modry out. Eminger and Vaananen in. ► Not much.
Phoenix ► Jokinen, Fedoruk, Sauer, Hale and McGrattan in. Ballard and Boyton out. ► Kinda fleeced Florida there.
Pittsburgh ► Malone, Hossa, Laraque, Roberts, Ruutu out. Fedotenko, Satan, Goddard in. ► Cup finals repeat unlikely.
San Jose ► Boyle, Lukowich and Blake in. Campbell, Rivet and Carle out. ► Defense shuffled.
St. Louis ► Johnson out. Mason in. ► Largely inactive.
Tampa Bay ► Malone, Roberts, Hall, Carle, Kolzig, Vrbata, Stamkos, Prospal in. Boyle out. ► Biggest movers and shakers so far. Philly-like return inevitable.
TO ► Mayers, Cujo and Grabovski in. Overpaid Finger and Hagman. Tucker, Wellwood and Raycroft out. Tavares plan? Or more to come?
Vancouver ► Naslund, Morrison out. Johnson, Hordichuk, Wellwood and Bernier in. ► Shuffle.
Washington ► Kolzig and Huet out. Theodore in. ► Largely nothing.

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atlanta has been quiet

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who said anything about making a jeff finger type deal? st louis however finished in the bottom quadrant of the league. Are they assuming that THE SAME team will somehow perform better this year? I didn't expect blockbuster type stuff...however secondary scoring/solid goaltending was an issue... I figured they'd at least be heard from in those two arenas and its not like they'd have to go after the marian hossa types... yet beyond keeping one free agent and signing an ahl prospect they pretty much stayed silent. Do you think that somehow their inaction will yield better results than say detroit, vancouver or even columbus' moves?
The goaltending issue was resolved by acquiring Chris Mason from the Predators.
The scoring issue however...

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poor kovalchuk!. Who wants to bet he's out of atlanta before seasons end


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Traded for Zidlicky for Ryan Jones + 2nd
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Signed Antti Miettinen
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who said anything about making a jeff finger type deal? st louis however finished in the bottom quadrant of the league. Are they assuming that THE SAME team will somehow perform better this year? I didn't expect blockbuster type stuff...however secondary scoring/solid goaltending was an issue... I figured they'd at least be heard from in those two arenas and its not like they'd have to go after the marian hossa types... yet beyond keeping one free agent and signing an ahl prospect they pretty much stayed silent. Do you think that somehow their inaction will yield better results than say detroit, vancouver or even columbus' moves?


1) We have Chris Mason backing up Manny Legace.
We're fine in net, thanks.

2) TJ Oshie and Patrik Berglund(our top 2 forward prospects) expected to make the team next year.

Pray tell; which UFA forwards were worth stalling a year of developement for those 2?
OF that list; which ones could we have actually lured in here and been able to afford?

3) Who cares about Detroit? They're going to win another Pres Trophy next year.

4) I'm far from impressed by most of the moves made in the Western Conference thus far. Even with the limited movement we've made; I can still see us in the race for the 6/7/8 seed next year. IMO about the only teams that have made "big" upgrades thus far are Detroit(already a Division winner), SJ(already a Division winner) and Pheonix(still have more holes to fill than people want to admit). The rest of the conference has either taken a step backwards or remained static. There are only 3 teams in the "Elite" category out West. All of the other teams are VERY close together and the PO berths could go any of a number of ways.

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Anaheim ► Niedermayer Returns. Perry kept. Burke whines about Lowe. ► Pretty much nothing.
Atlanta ► Waives Zhitnik. Overpays Hainsey. ► Nothing. Tavares bound?
Boston ► Overpays Ryder. Wideman yet to be locked up. ► Not much.
Buffalo ► Loses Bernier and Kalinin. Gets Rivet. ► Shuffle.
Carolina ► Loses Cole, Hedican and Wesley. Gets Pitkanen and Melichar. ► Shuffle.
Calgary ► Loses Huselius, Tanguay and Nolan. Gets Cammalleri, Bourque, Giordano and Glenncross ► More to come?
Chicago ► Massive contracts for Campbell and Huet. ► Khabi problem.
Columbus ► Commodore, Tyutin, Huselius, Torres, Umberger and Backman come in. ► Where's the #1 centerman?
Colorado ► Theodore and Brunette gone. Raycroft and Tucker in. ► Needs more work. And a lot more Sakic.
Dallas ► Avery in. Miettinen and Hagman out. ► Zubov's not getting any younger.
Detroit ► Hossa, Hossa, Hossa! And Conklin. ► All gravy so far.
Edmonton ► Cole, Brule and Visnovky in. Torres, Stoll and Pitkanen out. ► Shuffle.
Florida ► Jokinen out. Stillman, Boynton and Ballard in. ► Bouwmeester situation?
LA ► Blake and Visnovsky out. Gauthier, Stoll and Greene in. ► Cap floor nowhere in sight so far.
Minnesota ► Rolston out. Brunette, Zidlicky and Miettinen in. ► More to come.
Montreal ► Tanguay, Denis and Laraque in. Streit and Grabovsky out. ► Most improved on offense so far.
Nashville ► Zidlicky out. Mason out. ► Nothing much at all.
New Jersey ► Rolston and Holik in. Salvador overpaid. ► Blasts from the past.
NYI ► Satan, Fedotenko out. Weight (ancient) and Streit (overpaid) in. ► Shuffle. Tavares contenders.
NYR ► Jagr, Shanny, Straka, Avery, Tyutin, Backman out. Naslund, Zherdev, Vorros, Rissmiller, Fritsche, Redden, Kalinin in. ► Major shakeup. Hurt or help?
Ottawa ► Redden, Stillman, Emery out. Ruutu and Auld in. ► Much more needed.
Philly ► Umberger, Smith, Modry out. Eminger and Vaananen in. ► Not much.
Phoenix ► Jokinen, Fedoruk, Sauer, Hale and McGrattan in. Ballard and Boyton out. ► Kinda fleeced Florida there.
Pittsburgh ► Malone, Hossa, Laraque, Roberts, Ruutu out. Fedotenko, Satan, Goddard in. ► Cup finals repeat unlikely.
San Jose ► Boyle, Lukowich and Blake in. Campbell, Rivet and Carle out. ► Defense shuffled.
St. Louis ► Johnson out. Mason in. ► Largely inactive.
Tampa Bay ► Malone, Roberts, Hall, Carle, Kolzig, Vrbata, Stamkos, Prospal in. Boyle out. ► Biggest movers and shakers so far. Philly-like return inevitable.
TO ► Mayers, Cujo and Grabovski in. Overpaid Finger and Hagman. Tucker, Wellwood and Raycroft out. Tavares plan? Or more to come?
Vancouver ► Naslund, Morrison out. Johnson, Hordichuk, Wellwood and Bernier in. ► Shuffle.
Washington ► Kolzig and Huet out. Theodore in. ► Largely nothing.
Umm...what he said.

Yan Stastny signed with St. Louis, so they've...still done nothing.

Personally though, I'd say Atlanta has done the worst so far. I mean sure, Hainsey helps out Enstrom on the PP, but what else? Their only real forward is still Ilya Kovalchuk...that's just sad, considering the talent the guy has, that there's no supporting cast in place. *shrugs* Who knows, maybe Brian Little will step up...Angelo Esposito?

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Carolina ► Loses Cole, Hedican and Wesley. Gets Pitkanen and Melichar
Gets Babchuk as well. Hedican was awful last year so that's addition by subtraction.

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