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07-05-2008, 08:42 AM
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Van Ryn being shopped around by JM!

"Other defencemen being shopped around include Calgary's Adrian Aucoin, Carolina's Frantisek Kaberle, Vancouver's Kevin Bieksa, Dallas' Philippe Boucher and Florida's Mike Van Ryn. Unrestricted free agent Marek Malik, who played with the Rangers last season, is also up for grabs."

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That will be like trying to sell a car with a cracked engine block.

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That will be like trying to sell a car with a cracked engine block.
Maybe we can get someone who doesn't know much about cars to trade with!!!

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It doesn't surprise me in the least that JM is shopping Van Ryn around. What would surprise me is if somebody actually took him.

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It doesn't surprise me in the least that JM is shopping Van Ryn around. What would surprise me is if somebody actually took him.
i agree. i bet he's just feeling around. i'd be more inclined to hold on to him and try again later. there is still a decent chance his value will go up if he can get himself healthy. perhaps he could be moved in september after a showing well (we hope) in a few preseason games? or maybe he stays for now and we try to move someone during season (sticking welch in rochester until something opens up)?

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Is his wrist injury that bad?

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Is his wrist injury that bad?
he's had multiple surgeries on both wrists i believe and, yeah, it's pretty much rendered him useless.

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Same injury that Pronger had.

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At his salary, he needs to go. I really like Ryno when he's healthy, but he hasn't been for a couple seasons now.

I'd be happy with just a pick or a prospect. Perhaps he can be part of a package.

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This doesn't make much sense to me (unless he's been seen working out and has proven his wrists are a-ok) Otherwise why would anyone trade for what is currently perceived as damaged goods? Makes more sense to wait 'til training camp so he can demonstrate that he's fully recovered.

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At his salary, he needs to go. I really like Ryno when he's healthy, but he hasn't been for a couple seasons now.

I'd be happy with just a pick or a prospect. Perhaps he can be part of a package.
There are two ways to look at this situation. Take one; VanRyn has really bad wrist problems, so Martin is looking to trade him, making a team take a gamble on him in order to get ANYTHING for him, before he proves to be unable to play in the NHL and forced to retire or something of that nature.
Take two; you wait and see with VanRyn whether or not he's able to come back and recover to be a contributor. That way you can trade him after he's built up some value, which would cause more teams to want him and a higher return value.

My personal opinion is we should hang on to him and see how he can recover. If he ever can get his wrists fixed, he could be a really valuable player. He scored over 10 goals a few seasons ago IIRC and was better than Bouwmeester for a large part of the season. He's a great competitor but he shouldn't have been playing with his injuries. When he puts his health and career on the line just go out there and try to battle, even though he was unproductive, you have to appreciate that kind of effort. He was a bit of a leader before as well and always voiced he loved South Florida. I think that it's better to take a risk and hang on to him. Sure our defense is looking good, but you can never have too many good dmen. Bouw, Allen, Ballard, Boynton, Skrastins, Welch, and Murphy all figure to get some playing time if they're all around. Welch is a bit like VanRyn in terms of his style, but he needs to overcome injuries as well. Personally, I want Murphy gone, but I'd rather see some competition in camp to see who earns spots. If Skrastins is forced out of a spot, then you trade him too. Plus, if we lose Bouw, at least VanRyn has proven he can play a lot of minutes and play well at both ends when healthy, although obviously he couldn't replace 1/4th of a hole caused by Bouw's departure.


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Good points 96. I'd honestly much rather see Ryno return to his old form and be a really valuable defenseman for us. Especially if Bouw is gone. It's just such a question mark right now. At his salary, right now may be the best time to move him, before we find out he's not healthy enough and we're forced to have his salry on the books.

I'd much rather see Smurph gone, too. I can't think where there's a spot for him.

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Maybe we can get someone who doesn't know much about cars to trade with!!!
Unfortunatley there are realy mainly two guys in the league like that, one is now the head coach in Calgary, because no one else will ever let be a GM again, and the other one is the GM here.

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There's two ways to look at this situation. Take one; VanRyn has really bad wrist problems, so Martin is looking to trade him, making a team take a gamble on him in order to get ANYTHING for him, before he proves to be unable to play in the NHL and forced to retire or something of that nature.
Take two; you wait and see with VanRyn whether or not he's able to come back and recover to be a contributor. That way you can trade him after he's built up some value, which would cause more teams to want him and a higher return value.

My personal opinion is we should hang on to him and see how he can recover. If he ever can get his wrists fixed, he could be a really valuable player. He scored over 10 goals a few seasons ago IIRC and was better than Bouwmeester for a large part of the season. He's a great competitor but he shouldn't have been playing with his injuries. When he puts his health and career on the line just go out there and try to battle, even though he was unproductive, you have to appreciate that kind of effort. He was a bit of a leader before as well and always voiced he loved South Florida. I think that it's better to take a risk and hang on to him. Sure our defense is looking good, but you can never have too many good dmen. Bouw, Allen, Ballard, Boynton, Skrastins, Welch, and Murphy all figure to get some playing time if they're all around. Welch is a bit like VanRyn in terms of his style, but he needs to overcome injuries as well. Personally, I want Murphy gone, but I'd rather see some competition in camp to see who earns spots. If Skrastins is forced out of a spot, then you trade him too. Plus, if we lose Bouw, at least VanRyn has proven he can play a lot of minutes and play well at both ends when healthy, although obviously he couldn't replace 1/4th of a hole caused by Bouw's departure.
The only problem with this is I think JM is trying to move that contract and free up some money to hopefully sign another winger and probably Montador!

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07-05-2008, 01:23 PM
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The only problem with this is I think JM is trying to move that contract and free up some money to hopefully sign another winger and probably Montador!
This is true. I don't really want Montador back for what he'll be commanding. What exactly does he bring that our current slotted players don't? He's easily beaten defensively and undersized. He's also not a great forward relative to those who have played their whole lives up front. His pluses include his leadership, heart, and intensity, as he'll do whatever it takes to help the team. His minuses include his next contract, and his defensive shortcomings, while not really making up for it on the offensive end. He's a likeable guy and I'd enjoy having his character back, but I'd rather we let Welch, Skrastins, or VanRyn play on defense than him. Also, on offense, we already have our forth line set with players like Dvorak, Campbell, and Belak or whoever. We also will have enough depth that we won't be needing to call up crappy people like Globke or Glass or throw Monty on forward. Repik, Matthias, Frolik, Stewart, and others will be able to play in emergency situations.

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The only problem with this is I think JM is trying to move that contract and free up some money to hopefully sign another winger and probably Montador!

I like VanRyn, and I remember reading before the season ended that his wrists healed very well and he is painfree now, so who knows, maybe he'll stay. Possibly trade him and Smurph for another forward, or prospect to just to free cap space. Are Cully and Johansen gone? Mezei too because of UFA?

Then we have
VanRyn
Jbo
Allen
Ballard
Boynton
Murphy
Monty
Skrats

Maybe trade Smurph
Jbo-Ballard
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Van Ryn-Boynton
Monty can be 4th line with Belak and Mclean, and send Campbell to minors

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There are two ways to look at this situation. Take one; VanRyn has really bad wrist problems, so Martin is looking to trade him, making a team take a gamble on him in order to get ANYTHING for him, before he proves to be unable to play in the NHL and forced to retire or something of that nature.
Take two; you wait and see with VanRyn whether or not he's able to come back and recover to be a contributor. That way you can trade him after he's built up some value, which would cause more teams to want him and a higher return value.

My personal opinion is we should hang on to him and see how he can recover. If he ever can get his wrists fixed, he could be a really valuable player. He scored over 10 goals a few seasons ago IIRC and was better than Bouwmeester for a large part of the season. He's a great competitor but he shouldn't have been playing with his injuries. When he puts his health and career on the line just go out there and try to battle, even though he was unproductive, you have to appreciate that kind of effort. He was a bit of a leader before as well and always voiced he loved South Florida. I think that it's better to take a risk and hang on to him. Sure our defense is looking good, but you can never have too many good dmen. Bouw, Allen, Ballard, Boynton, Skrastins, Welch, and Murphy all figure to get some playing time if they're all around. Welch is a bit like VanRyn in terms of his style, but he needs to overcome injuries as well. Personally, I want Murphy gone, but I'd rather see some competition in camp to see who earns spots. If Skrastins is forced out of a spot, then you trade him too. Plus, if we lose Bouw, at least VanRyn has proven he can play a lot of minutes and play well at both ends when healthy, although obviously he couldn't replace 1/4th of a hole caused by Bouw's departure.
My opinion is that Martin will be doing a lot of both.

1. Trying to sell him now for anything short of the buy-out price
2. Since there will be no takers at any price, Martin will be hoping for the best come camp.

Ryno is done.

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His value is at an absolute low. JM must want to make cap room for either someone else (FA) or for another trade. I would only expect a mid round draft pick at best.

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Assuming Martin knew Bouwmeester wasn't going to sign a long term deal, then shopping Van Ryn is an odd move. I assume it means if Bouwmeester is traded, we'd be acquiring more D back in the process, otherwise why shop Van Ryn, when possibly losing Bouwmeester, and his value is low?

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Glenn Murray for Van Ryn. Murray makes $4.1 for this year and his contract ends after the season. I know he doesn't have much left in the tank but it seems like your team is thin at the wings and deep at D. There's a chance Murray regains his scoring touch (but probably not). Basically an "our problem for your problem" deal.

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Glenn Murray for Van Ryn. Murray makes $4.1 for this year and his contract ends after the season. I know he doesn't have much left in the tank but it seems like your team is thin at the wings and deep at D. There's a chance Murray regains his scoring touch (but probably not). Basically an "our problem for your problem" deal.
um... that would be no. ryno doesn't have much of any value right now but that could change - he's still relatively young. he's also less expensive. add to that the fact that an aging, slow murray doesn't fit the style it looks like the panthers will be playing next year and this doesn't make much sense.

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Whatever happened to "Buy low, sell high?"

And if Bouwmeester will not be a Panther next year (and at this point I'm convinced that he won't be) then we better hang on to as many bodies on defense as we possibly can. Van Ryn is a GOOD 2-way defenseman and like 96 said, he wants to play here. Let's at least see what he can bring next season, see if his wrists are fully healed, and THEN make a decision as to what we do with him.

In all likelihood, we trade Van Ryn for a mid-round pick, he bounces back 100% from his injury and plays the way he did a few seasons ago, and we look like fools again.

And honestly, it's not like we're trying to shed salary. As Acadmus (if that's even your REAL name...) said in the other thread, we have $12 million in cap space.


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Our Defense would look very good with the "Van Ryn from 2003-2004"

I think it's possible

he's still young, 29 or 30, I think he can bounce back, who knows

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Whatever happened to "Buy low, sell high?"

And if Bouwmeester will not be a Panther next year (and at this point I'm convinced that he won't be) then we better hang on to as many bodies on defense as we possibly can. Van Ryn is a GOOD 2-way defenseman and like 96 said, he wants to play here. Let's at least see what he can bring next season, see if his wrists are fully healed, and THEN make a decision as to what we do with him.

In all likelihood, we trade Van Ryn for a mid-round pick, he bounces back 100% from his injury and plays the way he did a few seasons ago, and we look like fools again.

And honestly, it's not like we're trying to shed salary. As Acadmus (if that's even your REAL name...) said in the other thread, we have $12 million in cap space.
Well said Clint. Van Ryn's value right now doesn't warrant trading him for what we could get right now.

If we really need to offload a defenseman, we should be trying to get rid of Murphy.

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Glenn Murray for Van Ryn. Murray makes $4.1 for this year and his contract ends after the season. I know he doesn't have much left in the tank but it seems like your team is thin at the wings and deep at D. There's a chance Murray regains his scoring touch (but probably not). Basically an "our problem for your problem" deal.
No thanks.

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